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Keep in mind, that when enemies are burning it is less important to cast fire spells ;) At the same time, Jaguar does 1 fire damage which is exactly what is needed to light them up.
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A fun fact, once I've been to an open national park where you could have joined to see cheetah being fed. It was at an open space, surrounded by a fence, but there was nothing separating you and the animal and the park worker. The gentlemen had a bucket of meat and would throw it to the cheetah to capture, every now and then I would play like that with my dogs.
Anyway, before entering I had to sign up waver, a standard one so that if something goes bad I will not raise charges. In the paper, they asked if I had at least 18 years and if I weighed at least 50 kg (around 110 lbs). I asked a few people in the park why and it was the park ranger in the enclosure who told me that cheetah hunts prey that is smaller than 110 lbs, and they had situations when small and thin people would come in, and the cheetah would begin to sneak upon them.
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@GM - the fact that the two creatures are flying, does it mean that we can't flank them since they are above?
You can flank them now because they're at your height. If they were flying higher (10'+) I'd say you can't flank.
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Rawiri, I like your Command suggestion. However, Command has a specific list of orders you can give. "Drop prone" would be the closest, and as a GM, on a crit fail I'd allow it to work. :)
(This wasn't to criticise your actions, just a clarification that Command might work differently than you thought.)
Ugh, I actually did not read it as such, but it is written with only that suggestions. There is a question what would happen if I order them to run from me... :|
1. As a general rule, I'm pretty sure Command is limited to only those suggestions. I've always seen it GMed that way.
2. In this specific case, I think jumping in the water falls under "running away as if it had the fleeing condition" and would rule it as such unless someone had a clear reason why that couldn't happen. Unless it crit fails, it only performs the command for 1 action, anyway, so if you were more than 25' from the water, or if you were closer to the water than they were, I think I would rule differently.
Re: Assisted Recovery
In general, I'm fairly lenient with Assisted Recovery. And that's because I don't see it used often, so I try to encourage it whenever players try to use it.
Jumping in the water to douse flames is an acceptable way to use Assisted Recovery, and while in general it should take two actions, I'm not concerned about allowing it to only use one action in this case - where you're attacked by fire elementals on a dock.
I'm ruling one action is fine in this case, and it's an automatic success.
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Most importantly, the rules for Persistent Damage uses "usually" liberally and is specifically dependent on the situation. What seals the deal for me is that it also says,
"The GM decides how your help works, using the following examples as guidelines when there's not a specific action that applies."
As a GM, I'd say spending an action to jump into the water is a totally fair application. Unless it's napalm or something, I see no reason why the fire wouldn't go out when submerged. Hell, Persistent Damage literally calls out that specific interaction:
"Automatically end the condition due to the type of help, such as healing that restores you to your maximum HP to end persistent bleed damage, or submerging yourself in a lake to end persistent fire damage."
Wasn't meant as a criticism of any kind, just my opinion on the matter. :)
I always invite discussion in good faith and it's one of the reasons I like the GM rotation format.
Unless there's a clear ruling, I usually come up with reasonable rulings on either side and go with the Rule of Fun. In this case, I could argue the water is too shallow - you'd need an action to move in and an action to submerge yourself. I could also argue being in the water is sufficient because your whole body isn't on fire.
In the end, it's an intro scenario, it's a relatively unusual position of fighting fire elementals by the water, and Assisted Recovery is underused, so I lean towards the ruling that favors the PCs. If it were a 7-10 scenario with a more questionable premise like splashing in a puddle, I'd probably lean towards "nah, gotta be 2 actions."
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@GM you are correct, Jag's AC is 17 and I will add it to the profile, and look into creating a profile for jaguar.
At the same note, he has fiery pelt so any creature grappling them takes 1d4 fire damage
Hmm, interesting. So, one weird thing about bloodseekers is that they don't actually grapple their targets - they count as grappled for incoming attacks (they are flat-footed and they move with their prey) but the target never gains any conditions.
Still, it makes sense the bloodseekers would take the fire damage. I'll add it to the tracker.
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@WaterySoup are we coming close to the end of this scenario? If so the schedule says that next GM would be me.
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@WaterySoup do you intend to stay with us for the remaining 3 games? As initially, you promised to stay for the first 3 and see how it goes.
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We were talking about me running 1-06 which I still intended to run. I played that scenario twice both times with lvl 1 PC's (as that was beginning of PF2). I never GM'ed it, and I liked the story and structure of the scenario.
Could each of you specify:
- If you played 1-06 Lost on the spirit road and if yes how many times and with what variation (you can describe the main enemy - in a spoiler as there is a chance that someone might have never played it :|).
I would like to warn you, I took a bit more tables on myself during Outpost but I will try for it to not have an impact on my GM'ing. And with a bit of luck some of the games will begin to finish at the time when I begin this.
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I've played 1-06 once, maybe twice, back in the beginning of PF2. I took a quick look at the enemy names and none of them rang a bell for me, so I'm pretty sure I go in blind regardless of route.
If your GM load is too much, I'm sure some people can shuffle around (I can GM again, if necessary). No need to stick to promises made like 6 months ago.
@WaterySoup are we coming close to the end of this scenario?
You are entering the final combat, but it may be a little longer than a standard combat because of environmental things like light.
@WaterySoup do you intend to stay with us for the remaining 3 games? As initially, you promised to stay for the first 3 and see how it goes.
Thanks for remembering. Short answer: yes, as long as the game doesn't move much faster than it does now.
Long answer: I think those of you in multiple games with me may have noticed I slowed down quite a bit in December/January. My personal schedule changed, so I have less time to play (bad for my Pathfinder games, but good for me overall). This is the event that I was concerned about when I only committed to 3 games. My schedule may change in the future, but not so much as it did a few months ago. Basically, if it's been okay for the past few months, it'll be the same for the next few.
I've played 1-06 at least once, and GMed multiple times. I don't mind playing again, and would probably bring Merian back.
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I have played and GMed #1-06 multiple times.
Also, I am looking to cut back at PbP somewhat, without dropping the two games I am GMing (one for Outpost and one for "fun"), meaning I will probably step down after this scenario.
It is sad to see you leave, but I understand.
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With regards to 1-06, let us see how the situation looks when we finish this scenario. I would like to run it, and the running a scenario for 4 players is a bit easier: fewer questions, fewer enemies etc.
At the same time, I will then select the variant of the scenario that I haven't played ;) And I want to GM 'my part'.
Hi folks, I should have given more of a heads-up, but I'll be on vacation next week. There's Internet, and I should be able to keep up (or at least at the pace I have been), but I just wanted to let you all know.
There's a chance this fight ends while I'm on vacation, in which case, I will likely not get to the Chronicles until I return, but you can open the spoiler below:
It's always been there, but not everybody could see it. Actually, not everyone can see it right now.
Okay, we're getting towards the end and I'm starting to fill out Chronicles.
Ghul and Smell of the Pines, I do not have downtime instructions for your characters. I can leave the fields blank, if you wish, or if you post them here, I will include them.
Smell of the Pines, you indicated you were waiting for Treasure Bundles. Assuming the 5 of you manage to tick off 4 hp on an APL-1 enemy, you will have earned all 10 Treasure Bundles (and as you are all level 2, will have earned 22.00 gp).
The hell's heart quote is from Moby Dick, but the part about the Genesis device is from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
The other is a play on a Patrick Henry quote, "Give me liberty, or give me death."
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Sorry for the lack of post at the end of the week. Went to sleep very early on Thursday and lacked time to post on Friday. Forgot about it afterward.
Note that Boost Eidolon is a 1 round spell, so the Summoner has to recast it every turn to give the +2 to damage. There’s a feat to make it last longer, similar to what bards do but I did not take it.
Downtime: Using Herbalist to craft with Nature an alchemical item with the healing trait: a Minor Elixir of Life.
Spending 1.5 gold pieces in raw material, then spending 4 days.
Critical success so reduce the cost by 5 sp per extra day spent.
Spending 3 extra days so no extra cost is needed.
Then spending a day doing a report
Failure. 1 cp
Clean sweep!
Primary Objective:
[X] Defeat the Onyx Alliance and recover items
Secondary Objectives (two of four):
[X] 4 or more Correspondence Points with Rain in Cloudy Day
[X] make a good first impression on Curator Adjutant Seshuun
[X] defeat the fire elementals at the docks within 7 rounds
[X] successfully provide adequate aid and prevent any civilian deaths at the market.
Treasure Bundles:
[X] help Rain in Cloudy Day
[X] earn at least 3 Correspondence Points
[X] impress Curator Adjutant Seshuun
[X][X] defeat the creatures at the docks
[X][X] defeat the creatures in the market
[X][X][X] recover the items at the abandoned tavern
Smell of the Pines, the Craft DC is the DC of the item you're crafting, not your level-based DC. So it should be DC 15, not DC 16. It's still a critical success, but I wanted to make sure you were aware of that.
All the Chronicles can be found HERE. Ghul, your Downtime section is blank, but I'm happy to fill it out for you if you'd like.
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Ok, chronicle looks good. Downloaded and saved. THere is 4 of you so I will start preparing the Lost of the SPirit world.
I would like to let you know, that starting next week I will be on long vacation that could mess with my posting time. I am ending a lot of my games, so I hope it will even out. But we will see, if the game will go to choppy/slow we will revisit.
@Ghul all the best, see you around!
I'll see you around, rainzax!
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Thanks for playing with us rainzax.
If everything goes to plan, I’m having a long trip in 2 weeks. I should be able to post most days during May.
Smell of the Pines, the Craft DC is the DC of the item you're crafting, not your level-based DC. So it should be DC 15, not DC 16. It's still a critical success, but I wanted to make sure you were aware of that.
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First time I spent some downtime crafting. As the cost reduction is based on one own level, I expected the DC to also be based on that; instead its the item’s which makes it easier.
I downloaded the chronicle, looks good to me.
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Maybe I'm being a little pessimistic here, but with one player leaving, and another player and the GM going on holiday, maybe call it quits? Don't want people to feel beholden to the PbP while real life is getting in the way.
(Not saying that I WANT to quit, just that this might be a good natural end point.)
Maybe I'm being a little pessimistic here, but with one player leaving, and another player and the GM going on holiday, maybe call it quits? Don't want people to feel beholden to the PbP while real life is getting in the way.
(Not saying that I WANT to quit, just that this might be a good natural end point.)
It would be more comfortable for me to not GM this game during my vacation. I am leaving for 4 weeks. I could ping you in a month and see if you would be open to joining the game.
But I also know that in a month there will be paizocon, and you may want to play it those PC's at other tables.
Alternatively, we can depart with me giving you 1 Farol point ;) You can swap them for a seat on one of my tables. I usually do open recruitments when I select players (I learned that from WaterySoup, as in fact I hate first-come-first-served recruitments), if I see you at one of my recruitments you will just get a spot.
I'm okay with any of the following:
1. Wish each other well and disperse.
2. Plan on a new game after people return from vacation.
3. Start a game now and post slowly while people are on vacation.
I will not be joining any other PbP games if this one doesn't go, so there's nothing to juggle for me.
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^Pretty much all of this on my end, too. I'm good with continuing at a slower pace, wrapping things up now, or pausing and continuing in a few weeks.
No plans here to join any new games for the time being. I *do* plan on being at the in-person PaizoCon but none of my tentative plans there hinge on Corona being available for games.
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If everyone's okay with a slower pace, I'm happy to keep playing. :)
Again, wasn't saying we should stop, just throwing some feelers out there to see what everyone thinks.
Farol, if you really feel more comfortable if you're not GMing next month, feel free to say so. Maybe you can switch places with someone, or someone can GM a second time (I really don't mind GMing again, for instance).
Regardless, I'm happy we're still continuing. This is a nice group. :)
Ok, I removed Ghul/Unifax from the thread.
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I am interested in continuing, yes it would be better for me to switch places. But player behind Smell of Pines is also going on vacation and only us two did not GM yet.
So if @Quentin you would be up for running something that would be great! Thank you! I can GM after you.
If you want to GM lost on the spirit road that would also be fine, if we all hit lvl 3, I could GM Crashing wave lvl 3-6 repeatable which could be cool for Merian and challenging for Rawiri (if he would play it).
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Ooh, Crashing Wave sounds cool. I've GMed it once already, it's a cool scenario. Definitely interesting with Merian and Rawiri/Thriss'k (Team Fire) :P
Anyone any recommendations for a 1-2 scenario? If not, is everyone familiar with the PFS Tracker? I can pick a scenario this weekend to prep and (slowly) start going by Monday.