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Yes, lets trade linguistics for Craft: Alchemy for now (I was missing the extra language)
WHen I start 'traveling more' I will likely add linguistics to pick up more languages. :)
Done. I also swapped out Weasly for Squeaky, as you asked. I think I got it right - it's annoying to have to move skill ranks and saves and stuff around (by hand, anyway.. Trust you to pick the one familiar that was put into an AP and then not republished in B2-5 or UW).
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Yes, lets trade linguistics for Craft: Alchemy for now (I was missing the extra language)
WHen I start 'traveling more' I will likely add linguistics to pick up more languages. :)Done. I also swapped out Weasly for Squeaky, as you asked. I think I got it right - it's annoying to have to move skill ranks and saves and stuff around (by hand, anyway.. Trust you to pick the one familiar that was put into an AP and then not republished in B2-5 or UW).
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yeah, sorry bout that, I had never actually SEEN that option before, until I started looking at the familiar lists for THIS particular PC. ;P
I appreciate everything.
Promise, I'll just copy/paste 'placeholder' here into my own account, and then tweak any skills or whatever from there. :)
I'm not really familiar with the PF world (outside of the first AP which I read voraciously) SO what would be a good place for an 'outsider' to be from? Figured a background with hunter-fighter or cleric/healer type parents, but had a nanny who helped raise me who was a gnome or such? maybe she raised me after they were killed?
Working on it,... :)
There are halflings all over Avistan.
That said, halflings are slaves in Cheliax -- not that I'm suggesting that as an origin. However, it provides a reason your parents might have left you with someone - they are part of the Bellflowers and trying to get more slaves out (either just because slavery is wrong in general or to free a loved one/friend).
In such cases, a lot of the more active anti-slavery halflings live in Andoran (which hates slavery and actively works to free them) and Varisia (basically because Korvosa used to be Chelish and is still "little Cheliax" -- but also has a powerful underworld). Varisia is more wild than Andoran -- there are more possible spots to have been fostered.
Somehow I totally missed the background skills, I will add 2 more. Probably going to go with Handle Animal (grew up in the wild) and linguistics (Aklo (she really should know the language of the troublemaking fey)).
Thanks Til!
Hm,... with THAT info, I think I have something that makes sense.
Sadly i'm packing up right now, and will be driving all day tomorrow (well, almost 9 hours of it) ;P to get back home, and then all that goes with being gone TWO weeks instead of one. :(
I HOPE that by tomorrow night I'll have a complete PC sheet and background ready, but,... Sunday shouldnt be a problem. >_<
DO we have enough to discuss the vault of goodie bags, I mean the hard-earned loot from previous levels, yet? ;)
You can PM me or just tell me here where/when you want lil wizzie to pop into the scene. (Sheesh, I STILL have to pick a cool halfling/wizard name!) ;P cuz I'd hate for him to miss a good party! :)
Cuz you know me, my lil guy need to make a big impression,... good or otherwise,... ;)
Oh yeah, Lord-Marshall knew I was gonna be late, whats my reason? last wizardly errand for myself? Lil errand for him? Just trying to get my stories straight.
Thank you all for your input and assistance! I have seriously enjoyed it, And honestly, if it weren't for you all, I'd still be looking for a new PC. ;P
See you (in game) soon!
Making the Mad Eye Moody entrance, eh?
I think you should reskin your familiar as a chicken and then explain that you have been delayed for the past several days as the chicken was distracted by corn than some farmer had spilled.
I, too, forgot about the background skills while building — running through that really quick today.
Aight, fixed my skills (only added, did not remove any ranks).
Treppa, got any extra room on your mule? I'm gonna be a few pounds over if I go with a light horse (because I made my character too heavy!).
Aight, fixed my skills (only added, did not remove any ranks).
Treppa, got any extra room on your mule? I'm gonna be a few pounds over if I go with a light horse (because I made my character too heavy!).
He's at the top of the medium load. I had to move the crowbar from the mule to the horse to keep from slowing us down >_<
I was kind of thinking - maybe we should buy a spare mule or two to carry back all of the loot? It was 15 gp for a mule with a pack saddle and "harness" (which I took to mean bridle and lead rope in this case).
We have 3000 party fund.
I, too, forgot about the background skills while building — running through that really quick today.
HeroLab saved my bacon on that. I'd never even heard of background skills but ticked all the boxes Tilnar mentioned in his character setup post. Then all this stuff popped up at the bottom of the skill box! MAGIC.
I have not been keeping up.
Sahar - no problem with your purchases at the stables. If weight is an issue, there are masterwork saddlebags for 65gp which increase the effective strength of the mule by 1. There's also a small cart available for a mule or pony - which would allow him to pull instead of carry and help with the load (at least, while on decent terrain).
Or, you know, the party could spend some of their advances to buy an additional pack beast. Or muleback cords. Or a communal bag of holding. Or saddlebags of holding. Or ...
We have 3000 party fund.
Not exactly. At least one person dipped into those funds to get a cloak of resistance.
Yeah, Background skills are just +2 skill points for everyone, but only applicable to specific skills (especially since you can use 'normal' skill points to up background stills, but not the other way around).
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***Warning: Impending Reality Shift***
It will have been the case that there was a flashily-dressed halfling standing with Marquan when you arrived, and who would have been dragged along with you by Marina for the introductions.
I admit, that's probably not the correct verb tense for a reality shift that has yet to happen, but my copy of "Dr Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations" is a later printing, and so everything after page 32 is blank.
That is all. Carry on.
We have 3000 party fund.Not exactly. At least one person dipped into those funds to get a cloak of resistance.
Ah, I didn't know that. Please make notes on the loot sheet - thanks!
We have 3000 party fund.Not exactly. At least one person dipped into those funds to get a cloak of resistance.Ah, I didn't know that. Please make notes on the loot sheet - thanks!
It was Lani. To be fair, she may have had money from her lootbag, so I shouldn't leap to conclusions.
Timing/Moving On
As stated, it's my intent for you to be on the road to Rustknoll starting Tuesday morning (IRL) -- so I'd appreciate if anyone planning to spend money (individually or communally) would work that out before that time -- once you're on the road, your Letters of Credit are considerably less effective -- and, other than food, animal feed and the like, I suspect there will be very few available items for sale in a hamlet so small it's not on the maps.
But that's me.
I used my share of the 3K (500 gp) and some of the loot bag to buy the cloak. Can't edit the sheet now but somebody else is welcome to do so for me. Thanks.
I used my share of the 3K (500 gp) and some of the loot bag to buy the cloak. Can't edit the sheet now but somebody else is welcome to do so for me. Thanks.
Updated!
Are we all just taking 500, then?
GM: At the risk of sounding stupid[er], how do Letters of Credit work?
GM: At the risk of sounding stupid[er], how do Letters of Credit work?
The easiest way to explain it is that it's basically an IOU. Which is to say, the Letter authorizes the person holding it to incur debts which the person who issued the letter is responsible for (generally with limits attached.).
You take it into a place that has a business relationship with the issuer such that they can be confident that promise of payment the note represents will be honoured. (In this case, Firrine command is the issuer, so pretty much only the shoppes here).
Basically, you buy something that's worth up to the value of the letter, they give you the item(s) and take your letter as payment.
Fortunately, because these shoppes have a close relationship with command (and frequently do business and supply the military) they can draw against a Letter (involving some paperwork, but they do it) instead of needing to take the whole thing as payment. They give you back the Letter with their seal indicating the draw, reducing the balance available.
So, because Lani bought her cloak, the 3,000 gp letter has a 500gp draw against it by Yamyra. (Although, if people wanted to keep the 3,000 intact, they could have given Lani cash or their allowance letter of 250go in exchange for her share of the 3k, buying her out of it)
I have plenty of money, if someone wants an extra mule. granted my friend kruss won't be wearing saddle bags. But we an extra mule is good.
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For Xia, there is not much she needs. If there is the time, adding a +1 on her armor or shield would be beneficial. The only other thing she needs is a handy haversack, but I am not sure if there is even one in the shop. I did not see one, but I did not examine everything exactly.
Regarding the crowbar, Xia has a Traveler's Any-Tool, so if that frees up weight versus carrying shovels and crowbars, feel free to leave stuff behind.
LOL, And I'm all set (almost) for my grand entrance! ;P
Yeah,
Look, I'll be honest here.
I do not mind if you want to be very strict on the encumbrance rules. I dont think it 'realistic' (even in a fantasy world) for a person to carry 6 fully loaded backpacks like in the old 'original' "Everquest' Online game. ;P (Saw a webcomic of a toon/PC carrying all 6 full backpacks. it was hysterical)
But, I suck at keeping track of weight. it's,... well, me and math dont get along that well for starters. ;P And TBH I'm used to my old groups way of 'Yes, your wimpy mage is overloaded with his full backpack, but when you enter combat you can drop and run at normal speed'.
Now, we WOULD play that if we had to run, our pack was left behind, but that (almost) never happened. ;)
WHich is all a very long-winded way of saying that if I 'cheat' on my encumbrance, it's actually NOT on purpose! I swear! :)
Hrm, I was just gonna cast 'Mount' for my horse when needed, but if we're gonna be strict on encumbrance, I'm gonna have to buy a pony. Or a riding dog. :)
Couple of things...
1) DM, are there any pack animals available in Firrine? If so, that seems like the way to go — high strength for 24gp, and good speed. Mules can't carry very much.
2) DM, how far are we going? Fair to assume everyone should be purchasing a mount (and trying to keep it at a light load, lookin' at you Sahar!)?
3) Non-DM peoples, I'd like to propose that we implement a 1% "party consumables" tithe for loot distribution. The way this works is that any time we sell loot and have a payout event, 1% of the money goes into a party pool to be used for "general purpose" stuff like healing, anti-debuffs, etc. (including crafting such items)
4) For loot management, I'd like to propose we use something similar to this approach, which is from an AP I played here on the boards. The approach is simple: we keep track of everything we acquire, and each item goes into one of a few buckets: sell, claimed by a party member, or party goods (as shown in Column D of the All Loot sheet on our current loot tracker). When something is either claimed or marked for sale, it goes into the "Divvied Loot" sheet, and we calculate each person's share of each item and of the overall sale (see: payouts). For example: if someone claims an item with a sale price of 1200gp, everyone else counts 200gp toward their payout, and the claimant counts -1000 toward theirs.
It may seem a little complicated, but this approach ensures that we're keeping everyone pretty even as far as worth, and also helps the DM not have to spend quite as much time figuring out whether a given piece of loot will be useful for someone who's already got a bunch.
Payouts happen when we actually get around to selling a bunch of stuff we've marked as "to be sold".
Take a look at the "All Loot", "Divvied Loot", and "Payouts" sheets in Treppa's doc as well as the example sheet I posted above and let me know what you guys think.
ARGH!
The website is being its usual, stupid self.
EVERY time I try to make/edit a profile for the lil guy, if I take more than a minute before I hit 'save changes' it loses EVERYTHING I did. :(
This,... may take a while. ;P
I'm OK with how ever you all want to divvy loot. I figure it will all (more or less) work out in the wash. :)
I dont want to be greedy, OR keep anyone else from claiming an item, (random or otherwise) when there isnt enough loot to provide the rest an equal amount GP wise.
I've seen it happen when Item A was big $$$, but the rest of the goodies totaled didn't come close to equaling that ONE item. (It was a magic ring. Yes, they are ridiculous GP-wise.) But you dont want to throw away (or in this case, sell) an extremely rare and pricey magic item like that (It was a ring of wizardry 2)
To be 100% 'fair', they would have had to sell it, and divide the GP evenly among the group. (And that IS fair) but that extremely rare and useful (for the wiz) item would never be seen again, or at least not able to be purchased until he was at least mid-teens lvl. If not higher. ;P
I'm easy. Personally I will go along with whatever makes the most people happy. :)
But for me, I dont want to sweat whether or not the items I wish to claim have a few GP more or less value than the rest of the items or gold being divvied up.
(Or whether that last claimed item will put my riding pony/dog at Max Encumbrance, making him a slow-fat-puppy!) ;P
I am looking forward to RP'ing and adventuring with this group. If the adventure is half as much fun as your all character concepts, (And I have NO doubt that Tilnar will deliver!) it's gonna be a hoot! :)
***Warning: Impending Reality Shift***
It will have been the case that there was a flashily-dressed halfling standing with Marquan when you arrived, and who would have been dragged along with you by Marina for the introductions.
I admit, that's probably not the correct verb tense for a reality shift that has yet to happen, but my copy of "Dr Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations" is a later printing, and so everything after page 32 is blank.
That is all. Carry on.
BWAHAHAHAH!
'Spoilers!' ;)
I'll just jump in post-wise as they are sitting down. Since you said I was already there, Lets say I already had the introductions prior, and was watching them as they were introduced to everyone.
Less conflicting Timey-Wimey, wibbly-wobbly that way. ;P
OK? :)
(NOW! Stupid web site needs to start behaving! So I can actually edit my PC profile!) >_<
Hello!
I think I'm ready,
( ineed to ransack through my loot bag, and decide how to use/sell/buy the rest of whatever I may want to do,) but he is otherwise complete.
I moved the description/history/personality to the bottom of the page.
Please let me know if I need to do any major edits anywhere else.
Thanks all! See you in the thread!
heh. hehehehehe.
There. THAT should get the ball rolling.
Welcome to what is, potentially, my most annoying PC ever. :)
(And believe me, for ME, that's saying something!) ;P
<SIGH>
This WIki page is killin' me.
How come YESTERDAY I could find the page that led to the stores where we can shop? And the items that wre available to buy? But TODAY I cannot find it anywhere?
SOmetimes,... I hate technology. :P
(Or, I'm just an old fart that dont know how to work this fancy-new-fangled-stuff. Either way.)
;P
EDIT- Found it! (Under 'People' DUH!) <Facepalm>
Took me two looks the second time as well.
Couple of things...
1) DM, are there any pack animals available in Firrine? If so, that seems like the way to go — high strength for 24gp, and good speed. Mules can't carry very much.
Yaks aren't common around here, so that's a no. You could easily find a pair of oxen or an aurochs for list price - and maybe others if you wanted to pay a premium. Or, as I said, a cart or light wagon could be very helpful.
2) DM, how far are we going? Fair to assume everyone should be purchasing a mount (and trying to keep it at a light load, lookin' at you Sahar!)?
From Kalthun's map and description, it's just under 30 miles as the crow flies - but you'll probably need to go around some rougher terrain and the river - so it'll like be that you cover up to 35 miles -- in mostly open terrain (grassland, hills). So, roughly a day's ride, though you might need to push a little longer or hustle a bit to get there -- maybe more than a little if something holds you up.
One gentle suggestion for splitting treasure (which you can completely ignore as you would like) that I've had work quite well is for party members to "buy" valuable items from the party - placing IoU as necessary. So, for instance, in a party of 5, and item that sells for 10,000 - Inky would "owe" Blinky, Pinky, Clyde and Sue 1,000 each (i.e. - item sells for 5k, and if it sold, each person would get 1,000 [including Inky]- so that's what Inky owes). It's a bit of math, but generally results in no hard feelings -- and balances out. By allowing "debt", nobody has to forgo anything.
Then again, things may look different here, given the ability to Cannibalize or potentially trade unwanted items.
Took me two looks the second time as well.
As I said, it's a wiki, so it can be structured as people would like -- for instance, we can make a landing page for the shoppes and link to it from somewhere - even the sidebar, in fact.
Yaks aren't common around here, so that's a no. You could easily find a pair of oxen or an aurochs for list price - and maybe others if you wanted to pay a premium. Or, as I said, a cart or light wagon could be very helpful.
The reason I've been ignoring the wagon approach is that they're listed with an overland speed of 2mph (16mi/day), which is less than a character walking — so if we got a wagon, it'd take at least two days to get there, and no one else would need a mount.
Cool — my recommendation to the group would be that we spring 48gp for two aurochs (8gp each), in addition to each person purchasing a mount and saddle. Each aurochs can carry up to 600lbs as a light load, and still travel 32mi/day (pony speed).
One gentle suggestion for splitting treasure (which you can completely ignore as you would like) that I've had work quite well is for party members to "buy" valuable items from the party - placing IoU as necessary. So, for instance, in a party of 5, and item that sells for 10,000 - Inky would "owe" Blinky, Pinky, Clyde and Sue 1,000 each (i.e. - item sells for 5k, and if it sold, each person would get 1,000 [including Inky]- so that's what Inky owes). It's a bit of math, but generally results in no hard feelings -- and balances out. By allowing "debt", nobody has to forgo anything.
That's a much more elegant explanation of what I was trying to propose. The loot document is currently set up for that in the "Divvied Loot" sheet, and I've seen it work very well. Thanks for adding your explanation! :)
Fiona will be purchasing:
light horse, combat-trained (110gp)
heavy horse (200gp)
riding kit (16gp)
whetstone (2cp)
She'll also spend 15 minutes each morning sharpening her cold iron dagger.
Edit: nevermind, gonna have to buy a heavy horse, because I made Fiona too muscular and a light horse can't carry her with her armor.
What's the weather like for this trip?
If it's nice, I can leave my cold weather gear behind and save the poor mule some weight. And have more room for loot. :)
p.s. - This is the first game I've been in where no player avatars have shown up on the character page - cool!
Cool — my recommendation to the group would be that we spring 48gp for two aurochs (8gp each), in addition to each person purchasing a mount and saddle. Each aurochs can carry up to 600lbs as a light load, and still travel 32mi/day (pony speed).
I'm good with aurochs! We have to be able to haul loot. I was going to go ahead and keep the mule because my stuff fits perfectly on it so that'll leave space on the oxen.
1% is good with me for a party goods 'tax' and the spreadsheet's debt management method is fine by me as well - way better than what I first came up with, plus it's game tested. Thank you!
BTW, even though my story has my horse being a gift, I bought her and her gear (and all my gear) from starting gold, so no freebies :)
LOL!
You asked for it Braniac, Your getting the full Adventures of Baron Munchausen treatment now! :)
1988 (1989) movie, the studio made it a 'flop' on purpose. It is a brilliant gem of fantasy tale-telling, IMHO it is well worth the 1-1/2 hours of your life to watch it. I believe it is on Netflix.
And yes, that IS Robin Williams as the 'King of the Moon' going uncredited. The name used for 'King of the Moon' in the credits is Italian for 'King of Everything' :)
Loot-
Like I said, I'm easy. As long as everyone gets a fair share, I dont care how we work it out! :)
(As long as you dont make ME do the actual MATH. That would be a disaster)
;P
Ride- I'm gonna have to buy a pony or a riding dog. But the riding dog (combat trained) is so much more than the pony. And I didn't see a 'combat trained' pony on the basic goods/supplies/services list online.
EDIT-
NVMD- I had that backwards. :P
Combat-trained Pony is only 45GP, Riding Dog is 150GP.
But according to the bestiary entry for the Riding dog, it has better stats than the pony, and can naturally attack while being ridden. The dogs Str/Dex/Con are all higher, so can carry more, etc, (and the dog gets trip!)
BUT the pony does have the 2 feats endurance and run, so if we're in a hurry to get somewhere far away, would be better. ;)
Per the books, the cost of an Aurochs is 300gp (450 if combat-trained - which could be seen as either paying more than you need to, or as a self-defending gear transport).
The cost of an ox, on the other hand, is a mere 15gp. And, as I said, there are 2 available at that price. You could probably get more if you're willing to overpay.
Hmm, I was assuming that 300gp cost was for a riding-trained aurochs (given that it's under "mounts"), whereas you can (in appropriate terrain) purchase a yak/bison for 24gp. I assumed that since bison animal companions are called out as using aurochs stats, we could also assume "pack animal" aurochs were 24gp. Obviously, some assumptions going on there.
DM: I'm not finding any stats for oxen/cattle; could you point me in the right direction?
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Not sure what is available as I cannot find a list of link. But I would assume that there are plenty of light combat trained horses, which is probably the best option. So, Xia will purchase a light horse (combat trained). I assume that they are at the CRB price of 110 gp. Please let me know if they are not.
LOL!
You asked for it Braniac, Your getting the full Adventures of Baron Munchausen treatment now! :)1988 (1989) movie, the studio made it a 'flop' on purpose. It is a brilliant gem of fantasy tale-telling, IMHO it is well worth the 1-1/2 hours of your life to watch it. I believe it is on Netflix.
And yes, that IS Robin Williams as the 'King of the Moon' going uncredited. The name used for 'King of the Moon' in the credits is Italian for 'King of Everything' :)
A truly awesome movie. Pseudo-Monty Python.
A truly awesome movie. Pseudo-Monty Python.LOL!
You asked for it Braniac, Your getting the full Adventures of Baron Munchausen treatment now! :)1988 (1989) movie, the studio made it a 'flop' on purpose. It is a brilliant gem of fantasy tale-telling, IMHO it is well worth the 1-1/2 hours of your life to watch it. I believe it is on Netflix.
And yes, that IS Robin Williams as the 'King of the Moon' going uncredited. The name used for 'King of the Moon' in the credits is Italian for 'King of Everything' :)
Indeed!
Even stars one of the Monty Python crew.Truly a shame it was made while the 1st company was being bought by the second company, and the buyer did all they could to make it fail. (Cant have a success by your predecessor I guess?) ;P
Turns out it is no longer on Netflix. But I would watch it in cruddy You-tube vision if I had to. It is that good. :)
Considering the nature of the movie, might be better in cruddy You-tube vision, or on a 33 1/3 vinal vision, we need to bring that one back.
Oxen use the aurochs stats but won't allow a rider.
Bison have their own stats. ;)
Considering the nature of the movie, might be better in cruddy You-tube vision, or on a 33 1/3 vinal vision, we need to bring that one back.
LOL! You might be right! :)
Cool, no intent to ride the oxen.
If there are no objections in the next 15 minutes or so, I'll go ahead and debit our group account 44gp (15gp each for two oxen, 4gp for two harnesses, and 10gp for two pack saddles).
Did we ever figure out who's carrying the wand of CLW?