Sorry, Worg, can we have a clarification on haste? I've seen it done both ways.
Quote from Paizo FAQ regarding opposed spells:
Dispelling: If I use a "diametrically opposed" spell to counter or dispel another spell (bless vs. bane, haste vs. slow, and so on), does my spell have any effect other than dispelling?
It depends on whether you are using the spell as a counterspell or as a dispel.
If used as a counterspell, your spell has no effect other than to counter the target spell. If used as a dispel, there may be "spillover" from your spell or the target spell, depending on whether you affect more or fewer targets than the opponent's spell.
Counterspell Example: You are a 5th-level wizard, your opponent is a 6th-level sorcerer. On your turn, you ready an action to counterspell. The sorcerer begins to cast slow. You succeed at the Spellcraft check to identify the spell and cast haste as a counterspell against it. Your haste counters the slow, and neither spell has any effect.
Dispel Example: You are a 5th-level wizard, your opponent is a 6th-level sorcerer. On her turn, the sorcerer casts slow and targets 6 of your allies; all 6 of them fail their saves and are slowed. On your turn, you cast haste and target 5 of your allies; this automatically dispels (no caster level check needed) the slow spell on those allies, leaving them without the effect of slow or haste (your 6th ally is still affected by slow). Note that this does not merely suppress the slow effect for the duration of your haste—the effect is completely dispelled on those 5 allies. Note that it doesn't matter if the target would normally get a saving throw or spell resistance to negate or avoid the spell used to dispel (such as casting slow to dispel an already-caste haste); to speed up gameplay and prevent lopsided applications of this sort of dispelling, the "diametrically opposed" spell automatically dispels its opposite, regardless of the desires of the creature affected by the opposite.
Update 5 June 2013: FAQ clarified as to the difference between using an opposed spell to counterspell and using it as a dispel.
Update 6 June 2013: Additional text added to dispel example about saving throws and spell resistance.
I believe it is the 'spillover' that is unclear and requires a GM call.
Female CG Kitsune Nine-Tailed Heir/6 | AC 13, T 12, FF 11 | 38/38 hp | Fort +5, Ref +5, Will +6| Init +2 | Percep 0 | CMD 13
In that example, a counterspell is a readied action to keep the spell from being cast (no spillover) vs dispelling it after the fact (spillover). We’re doing the latter, so I’d reckon the FAQ says there’s spillover :D
Round 2: FIGHT!
Light Condition: Light and Shaded Trees
Active Party Buffs: Bardic Performance
Active Penalties: Black Tentacles, Shaysera is 30ft up
Shaysera(-29,Fine, 30ft above ground)
Kasumi the Vexatious(-14,Grappled)
Prakriti(-0,Fine)
Rondolpho Keene(-0,Fine)
Fen Vion(-0,Slow)
Mivvy Hetherington(-0,Hasted)
Father Urzaia Conflict(-0,2 Charisma Drain, 1 Negative Level, Hasted)
In this case, it is a spillover. Also, Fen is still slowed because he is out of the range of Haste's buff area if you are getting Urzaia/Keene/Prakriti.
Urzaia's first shot lands true, but the second misses the target! Kasumi's spell enhances the speed and power of Urzaia and Mivvy, while erasing the sluggish effects from herself, Keene, and Prakriti.
Keene's magic missiles deflect off of their arch nemesis's protective skin! Mivvy prepares for a counter attack! Will Fen be able to turn the fight in the Pathfinder's favor?!
Round 3: FIGHT!
Light Condition: Light and Shaded Trees
Active Party Buffs: Bardic Performance
Active Penalties: Black Tentacles, Shaysera is 30ft up
Shaysera(-29,Fine, 30ft above ground)
Kasumi the Vexatious(-14,Grappled)
Prakriti(-0,Fine)
Rondolpho Keene(-0,Fine)
Fen Vion(-0,Slow)
Mivvy Hetherington(-0,Hasted)
Father Urzaia Conflict(-0,2 Charisma Drain, 1 Negative Level, Hasted)
Shaysera continues the ranged battle with Urzaia, drawing out a gem and crushing it with one of her tentacles. She then fires another ray of black energy.
"I tire of your irritating mouth, half-breed."
School necromancy; Level bloodrager 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4; Subdomain loss 5, undead 4
CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
EFFECT
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect ray of negative energy
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance yes
DESCRIPTION
You point your finger and fire a black ray of negative energy that suppresses the life force of any living creature it strikes. You must make a ranged touch attack to hit. If you hit, the subject gains 1d4 temporary negative levels (see Special Abilities). Negative levels stack.
Assuming the subject survives, it regains lost levels after a number of hours equal to your caster level (maximum 15 hours). Usually, negative levels have a chance of becoming permanent, but the negative levels from enervation don’t last long enough to do so.
An undead creature struck by the ray gains 1d4 x 5 temporary hit points for 1 hour.
What Happened Shaysera: Swift Action Use Crystal, Cast Spell Urzaia: 4 Negative Levels
Round 3: FIGHT!
Light Condition: Light and Shaded Trees
Active Party Buffs: Bardic Performance
Active Penalties: Black Tentacles, Shaysera is 30ft up
Shaysera(-29,Fine, 30ft above ground)
Kasumi the Vexatious(-14,Grappled)
Prakriti(-0,Fine)
Rondolpho Keene(-0,Fine)
Fen Vion(-0,Slow)
Mivvy Hetherington(-0,Hasted)
Father Urzaia Conflict(-0,2 Charisma Drain, 5 Negative Levels, Hasted)
Things are looking pretty scary, Paizanos! Can the Pathfinders turn this fight in their favor?! Stay tuned!
Worg, in the interest of avoiding a TPK - putting these things outside changes everything - does this thing auto-pass fly checks to hover (DC15)? If not, could you make those checks, as failure might give us some options or opportunities.
Also, how tall are those trees? How much cover do they provide? Could I climb one easily?
Team Is anyone holding holy water? 2d4 ranged touch is pretty sweet. Can anyone cast fly? Keene, can you do that thing with the bleed without needing to beat SR? Prakriti Can you summon some flying monsters that will ready an action to attack and disrupt spellcasting?
Also, Prakriti should be utilizing her Greater Invisibility on Urzaia to prevent him from taking extra ennervations but allow him to attack Shaysera's Flat-Footed AC for a solid 6 rounds. Just a thought :)
Also Fen can deal some heavy damage if he activates Bane-Daemon on his bow and start taking shots at Shaysera and activate Judgment: Smiting (Evil) to bypass her DR.
You guys got this, I believe in you if your tactics are discussed. :)
HP 33 l AC 20 (T 15/FF 15) l F +6, R +8, W+8 (+2 vs enchantments) l Ini +8 l Perc +13
Judgement are swift actions?
Fen looks up at Shaysera, "You have picked the wrong group to come back and attack. Calistra grant me your vengeance upon this vile Daemon and send her back to her own plane" Fen unleashes an arrow at the woman.
Prakriti doesn't have access to Greater Invisibility yet. She has it added to her spell list through Mystic Past Life but hasn't yet reached sufficient level to cast Level 4 spells.
Seeing that the flying fiend is proving way too elusive, Riti starts casting a spell to give it something to distract it up in the air.
Prakriti doesn't have access to Greater Invisibility yet. She has it added to her spell list through Mystic Past Life but hasn't yet reached sufficient level to cast Level 4 spells.
I see. My bad, I was looking at everyones things and saw that listed in there.
Female CG Kitsune Nine-Tailed Heir/6 | AC 13, T 12, FF 11 | 38/38 hp | Fort +5, Ref +5, Will +6| Init +2 | Percep 0 | CMD 13
Been trying to figure that out! Fever brain's really harshin' my creativity here... and Kasumi requires creativity to function. S'pose I could go for an old standby--
Kasumi wiggles, trying to keep her mental cool...
Concentration:1d20 + 11 ⇒ (15) + 11 = 26
...and raises her hand high before the daemon has a chance to wrap it in tentacles!
Sylvan:
"How did you not see this before!?"
Suddenly, dozens of Mivvies, Urzaias, Prakritis, Rondolphos, Fens, and Kasumis appear, filling the woods! Some of them have wings, and the Mivvies in particular seem to be making very impressive flying leaps.
Minor Image: Will Save DC 17 to disbelieve if interacted with.
Round 4: FIGHT!
Light Condition: Light and Shaded Trees
Active Party Buffs: Bardic Performance
Active Penalties: Black Tentacles, Shaysera is 30ft up
Shaysera(-29,Fine, 30ft above ground)
Kasumi the Vexatious(-14,Grappled)
Prakriti(-0,Fine)
Rondolpho Keene(-0,Fine)
Fen Vion(-0,Slow)
Mivvy Hetherington(-0,Hasted)
Father Urzaia Conflict(-0,2 Charisma Drain, 5 Negative Levels, Hasted)
While Shaysera identifies the properties of the magic work from Prakriti, she gets distracted and looses track of her intended targets. She fires rays of scorching fire at the nearest targets.
"Seems you have caught me offguard. I won't make the same mistake twice."
Round 4: FIGHT!
Light Condition: Light and Shaded Trees
Active Party Buffs: Bardic Performance
Active Penalties: Black Tentacles, Shaysera is 30ft up
Shaysera(-29,Fine, 30ft above ground)
Kasumi the Vexatious(-14,Grappled)
Prakriti(-13,Fine)
Rondolpho Keene(-0,Fine)
Fen Vion(-0,Slow)
Mivvy Hetherington(-0,Hasted)
Father Urzaia Conflict(-0,2 Charisma Drain, 5 Negative Levels, Hasted)
@Prakriti: Need a Concentration Check for Damage Taken please.
Round 5: FIGHT!
Light Condition: Light and Shaded Trees
Active Party Buffs: Bardic Performance
Active Penalties: Black Tentacles, Shaysera is 30ft up
Shaysera(-97,Fine, 30ft above ground)
Kasumi the Vexatious(-14,Delay)
Prakriti(-13,Fine)
Rondolpho Keene(-0,Fine)
Fen Vion(-0,Slow)
Mivvy Hetherington(-0,Hasted)
Father Urzaia Conflict(-0,2 Charisma Drain, 5 Negative Levels, Hasted)
Shaysera shifts away from Mivvy. Having shot a scorching ray at the image, she realizes that there is some trickery going on. She turns to her initial target. "Ready to face your maker, you mouthy halfbreed?"
Scorching Ray VS Urzaia:1d20 + 11 ⇒ (8) + 11 = 19 Scorching Ray Damage:4d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 3, 6) = 18That, with the negative levels, brings Urzaia to -4 HP and unconcious.
Target 2:1d5 ⇒ 4Via Initiative Tracker, that would be Fen Scorching Ray VS Fen Vion:1d20 + 11 ⇒ (8) + 11 = 19 Scorching Ray Damage:4d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 5, 1) = 14
She then coughs up some of her blood. 1 point of damage to her.
Round 5: FIGHT!
Light Condition: Light and Shaded Trees
Active Party Buffs: Bardic Performance
Active Penalties: Black Tentacles, Shaysera is 30ft up
Shaysera(-98,Fine, 30ft above ground)
Kasumi the Vexatious(-32,Fine)
Prakriti(-13,Fine)
Rondolpho Keene(-0,Fine)
Fen Vion(-14,Slow)
Mivvy Hetherington(-0,Hasted) Father Urzaia Conflict(-18,2 Charisma Drain, 5 Negative Levels, Hasted, Unconcious)
Urzaia is unconcious and bleeding out, delayed Kasumi because there was not much for offensive spells that she had that I could reasonably bot in, and the wand of Magic Missile would most likely not be able to land its mark.
Shaysera gets pelted by the archon rays, and it is too much for her to withstand. She collapses from the sky.
Fall Damage:3d6 ⇒ (4, 5, 2) = 11
The daemon's head slams into a fallen tree branch on the ground. A loud snap and pop can be heard as she impacts, her head looking disconnected from the rest of her body.
Urzaia groans as he climbs to his feet and collects his bow.
Ugh, I don't think I've felt this weak since we first arrived at Saringallow. Still, feels like it'll go away with a good night's sleep. Otherwise I'll pick up a scroll when we get to town.
I'm pretty sure these are temporary. If not once we level up Urzaia can get some Restoration scrolls and activate them without a check.
Ok so good news is you found the ring for the quest; With This Ring. The book mentions it twice and never again anywhere. I did a CTRL+F to look for it and the book wants to mention it nowhere. All you need to do now is find the haunt its for and your good to go.
Prakriti spends time administering more healing to Urzaia and anyone else who has picked up some wounds, before settling down for a good night's rest to recover her spells.
