Johann Kaltgeboren |
Last post was a half month ago, and no discussion. Is the party over, you think?
Michael Johnson 66 |
Sorry for the long delay in posting. I was afraid that interest had waned entirely so I stopped checking in. But if I was mistaken, I am happy to start up again, either to finish the King Solomon's Mines are and then get back to Europe, or if the African stuff isn't interesting enough, we can fast forward the timeline and get right back to the Rome stuff?
What is everyone's thoughts?
Johann Kaltgeboren |
I would still come back after you get back to Rome. I really enjoyed the catacombs dungeon delving we did in the beginning of the campaign.
The Ogon Fox |
I think my interest in the desert journey was waning because I was getting to the point where the only thing I could think of to post was variations of, "The Fox continues walking through the desert with the party until they stop to rest."
Then the event with the devil-worshipping Kukuana happened, which is certainly an interesting departure from that--but this time I think my trouble was not being sure of what to do. The Fox was certainly not interested in a whole-hearted participation in their rituals, but he also wasn't going to provoke them into a fight for no reason. So with no real conflict to resolve there, it was still kind of the same thing: waiting for the time to pass.
I imagine that inside the Mines of Solomon would be much like the Catacombs were, typical dungeon-crawling--that seems easier to maintain forward motion.
Ihrin Ardlean Dracul |
True the Mines could be chock-full of cool things to foil
Storm Dragon |
I'll admit I kinda was left at a loss by what we were supposed to do with this situation with Mama Gangoola. Nothing has happened but I've just kinda waited for the other shoe to drop and it hasn't at all.
I'm also kinda tired of playing two characters; I've never been good at it and I find Alphonse far more interesting to play so poor Toshiro gets left by the wayside.
Johann Kaltgeboren |
Its hard enough to play one character well. I suggest you go to one character and just have a smaller party-- which is also much easier for a GM to properly balance an encounter.
Also: it is hard to feel invested when characters are flipping all the time. If everyone could pick one character, and stick with it, then we will have a better chance to bond and have fun interactions with each other.
Michael Johnson 66 |
So, shall we get on with the Mines? Or shall I make that a narrative that fast forwards us to the Catacombs? Both are dungeon crawls that I think you will really dig...
If Johann wished he could get in on the Lost Mines adventure, I can have a fairy in the Black Forest cast a spell that causes him to swap places via teleport with the bear effigy of Johann that Mwikali carries...
Johann Kaltgeboren |
MJ should I level to 10? Is that what everyone else is?
Johann Kaltgeboren |
I don't think Johann and Alphonse every traveled together but it would make logical sense that you would know who I was since you travel with my former companions. But we should introduce ourselves, maybe after this messiness with the statue is over!
Johann Kaltgeboren |
It is a super pain to level up Johann. 3 alias later...
Next level I get another form which will mean 4 alias.
I only gained one thing of interest, which is chimeric form, meaning that my snake shape gets some benefit from my bear shape and vice-versa. So my snake shape has a +4 con now and my bear shape is better at to-hit with AoOs and dodging AoOs.
Also-- Foxy and MJ: Don't forget me and Foxy have this feat which we never used yet. I am not planning on dodging behind Fox unless I am almost dead but Fox can feel free to duck behind me whenever he wants.
Teamwork feat with Foxy:Ally Shield : Whenever you are the target of a melee or ranged attack and are adjacent to an ally who also has this feat, you can initiate this feat to skillfully pull the abettor into harm’s way or dodge behind the abettor as an immediate action.
You gain cover against that attack (and only that attack). If the attack misses you but would have hit you if not for the cover bonus to your armor class, the abettor becomes the target of the attack and the attacker must make a new attack roll (with all the same modifiers) against the abettor’s armor class.
Storm Dragon |
Safe bet with Constructs (which both Kn. Arcana and Engineering can identify the basic traits of) is magic is almost completely useless, since they're immune to anything with Fort saves or Will saves attached (effectively) and also many Golems are immune to any spell that allows Spell resistance.
If you have any SR: No spells that target Reflex (or have no save, or are a Fort save that affects Objects), they can potentially work.
Mwikali |
I figured as much and I am looking at my list of spells to see exactly what I can throw at this thing
Alphonse Veritas, Oathkeeper |
Alphonse is a healing specced Paladin. He can slap himself with 6d6+12 healing as a Swift, or anyone else for 6d6 10 times per day, or use Raise Dead by using all of them.
Mwikali also has access to healing spells on her spell list. Then of course there are wands and potions. A wand of CLW goes a long way even at this level. Infernal healing would be better, but not a good fit with Alphonse in the party, and Celestial Helaing is, bafflingly, worse at healing people because angels suck at their job I guess.
Of course, the best healing is prevention; everyone should try not to get hurt!
Johann Kaltgeboren |
I'm here but confused on init. Johann always appreciates initiative monkey!
Michael Johnson 66 |
Because I have failed to put up visual aids, it is difficult for the players to come up with the same tactics that might be obvious to their characters who can see everything...
So just in case no one has thought of it because of my shortcomings as GM... You could always toss this golem in the bottomless pit about 60 feet from where you are fighting it...
Michael Johnson 66 |
I dunno if any of us have the juice to Bull Rush a Collossal creature 60 feet.
That's a DC of 55...plus its CMD, which is probably around 40.
Sieg could have done it, but not Alphonse.
I'm sorry if I described it as colossal. It's just a size Large stone golem. Not to diminish the threat, it's still a challenging opponent, obviously.
The Ogon Fox |
Alphonse and I could both roll Aid Another attacks to help Johann. Neither of us can fail against the AC 10 for that except on a natural 1. So that gives Johann +4. And he has +2 from Heroism. He also has +2 from flanking right now, but I don't think that will be able to apply. Bull rush has to be moving in a line straight ahead, right? So I can't be standing in the way, or I'd be getting bull rushed, too.
The Ogon Fox |
Lord Perpireen is more than capable of a melee attack against AC 10 (7 BAB - 2 STR + 3 size = +8 attack mod, needing a nat 2 or better to hit), so he could fly down and aid as well for another +2. Ihrin is already there in melee, that's another +2. Heck, even our primary spellcaster has a good chance of hitting AC 10 with a melee attack (nat 5 or better), if she's okay with getting up close.
If all 5 of us do that, then we give Johann a +10 in addition to the +2 from Heroism. A halfway decent roll from him for the combat maneuver check may well be enough with all that!
The Ogon Fox |
Also the visual of all 6 of us pushing and heaving trying to topple this thing over the edge!
Storm Dragon |
And yet it's still DC 55 (you need +5 over the DC for every 5 feet beyond the first 5 feet) before you even add the CMD in. That's the hard part, not the CMD. And it gets an AoO on the first guy to try it.
If I were one of my Maneuver focused characters at this level I MIGHT give it a shot, or back a play from a similar character for novelty's sake, with a +30 or so over the next couple of rounds, but I'm not really keen on banking it all on Johann's +14 vs a DC minimum 75. Particularly because if he eats that AoO he's dead.
Michael Johnson 66 |
Yes, at 60 ft, the tactic is still too hard for 10th levels to pull off. My bad for underestimating this encounter.
You will probably need to disengage and lure the golem closer to the pit. I mean, this seems to be a tried and true tactic for you guys, if you'll recall the catacombs, where you lured mindless skeletal champions into pits more than once...
Michael Johnson 66 |
I really feel I overdid it on this encounter lol... I admit that I have a tendency to create encounters that are way over CR for APL. This is looking like one of my blunders, especially considering there are two more idols that activate if/when you beat the first! WhAt HaVe I dOnE!? LOL...
To remedy on the fly, which I feel a good GM should do when they realize they've made a design error, I'm going to kind of hand wave you all through this meatgrinder encounter and give you the benefit of the doubt, or the assumption that your canny, experienced adventurers, able to see everything going on, are able to orchestrate luring the golems one by one to the edge of the pit and knocking them in. And I will still award full XP for all 3 golems. It was my mistake.
GM_Panic |
I am posting this to all my games, GM and Player
For the next week I will be off on holiday.
Once back I will get things going, post actions.
GMing Players please carry on as you see fit, Im just going to have to hold combats and feed back until im pack.
As a player GM's feel free to bot my PC.
Swish Swish :)
Michael Johnson 66 |
I am posting this to all my games, GM and Player
For the next week I will be off on holiday.
Once back I will get things going, post actions.GMing Players please carry on as you see fit, Im just going to have to hold combats and feed back until im pack.
As a player GM's feel free to bot my PC.
Swish Swish :)
Enjoy your holiday, friend!
Ihrin Ardlean Dracul |
Double 1s' Double 1s' seriously...I hate you online dice
Ihrin Ardlean Dracul |
Yeah Ihrin would Stealth over enough to get near the Efreet and then use her Carpet to fly and attack the guy. However, the Piazo site hates me so
Johann Kaltgeboren |
hey don't kill him before he gives us the holy avenger!
Johann Kaltgeboren |
shoot. interesting repercussions would have been....interesting.