Fethryth Teldanona |
Is this thing in a position where I can hit it with Color Spray without blasting everyone else too?
Fethryth Teldanona |
Ahh s*~~ that's right. Stupid undead.
I can kind of guess from that although i'm not sure where Feth is on that map.
Patricie |
quick question, does Magic Fang allow a natural weapon to bypass DR/BPS? Inflicting magical damage instead? I've heard it both ways.
DM-Kal |
No. Attacks with magic weapons are not the same as attacks with magic. Otherwise there would be no distinction between DR X/magic and DR X/--, since attacks with magic (such as magic missile) already bypass DR, regardless of the kind. Magic fang will allow an attack to bypass DR/magic, but will otherwise not impact the attack as it relates to DR.
Payet Best |
Magic attacks are blocked with energy resistance instead
The exception to this are spells like diamond spray, which are explicitly stated to deal physical damage, diamond spray for example deals piercing and slashing damage, and is treated as though it was both adamanite and cold iron.
Payet Best |
Also would observing the rather unique chi draining ability reduce the knowledge religion check needed to identify the creature.
What we know already about it is that it is undead, very stealthy, hops when it moves, has claws and a fanged maw, drains chi through it's breath, and is resistant to physical damage.
We dang near have all of it's traits already.
Melaphi Dasan |
[Dice=perception]1d20+8
[Dice=initiative]1d20+4
[Dice=knowledge religon]1d20+5 => 12Fethryth casts Mage Armor on herself.
[dice=Perception]1d20 + 3
[dice=Init]1d20
[dice=Kn Religion to determine what it is]1d20 + 5 => 10
Looks like I used up all my good rolls in the role-play
Though likely neither role is even high enough to know what it is, let alone abilities.
Garroth Seren |
+1 weapon id imagine. Also, you may not have gotten his answer right on magic fang. Magic fang would let Trilpy harm it.
Patricie |
Are you sure? It says it lets you bypass magic DR, which is not what would've kept Trilby from hurting it. Trilby's original bite wasn't magical, so if the corpse had magic DR it wouldn't have had any effect on Trilby's damage. Right? I'm so confused.
And if they can't provide flank. WTF is the point of summoning a minor ally?
Fethryth Teldanona |
Fancy party trick? Some fancy noble lady pisses you off and you summon toads on top of her? Or the ability to go "Yeah, well, screw you!" and throw bees at somebody.
Oh, or maybe with enough ranks in Handle Animal you could summon rats and have them chew through ropes? Maybe distract guards with them as you sneak past? There's gotta be something good you can do with them.
DM-Kal |
Okay Patry, I think I see the problem. DR in Pathfinder is a bit counterintuitive. DR 5/Magic does not mean you reduce magic damage by 5 (or even damage from magic weapons by 5). It means you reduce all weapon damage by 5 unless the weapon is magic. In the same way, skeletons for instance have DR 5/bludgeoning; this doesn't mean clubs are less effective than swords and arrows, but rather just the opposite.
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Patricie |
Okay, I see so the corpse has DR10+/magic, right? So being able to "bypass magic DR" means you can deal magic damage, thereby bypassing the DR which reduces all but magical damage...yeah. Okay, then Magic Fang, here we come!
Also, yeah I hadn't thought about the non-combat related uses of summoning 1d3 tiny animals. And I certainly have a ridiculous Handle Animal bonus, so there's that.
I'm learning a lot this week!
Garroth Seren |
Okay, I see so the corpse has DR10+/magic, right? So being able to "bypass magic DR" means you can deal magic damage, thereby bypassing the DR which reduces all but magical damage...yeah. Okay, then Magic Fang, here we come!
Hehe, still not quite correct :)
DR10/magic means that any attack that is magically enchanted bypasses it. Magic Fang does not cause the attack to deal magical damage. The bite is still physical. But being enchanted with magic lets it bypass the damage reduction.
Spells do not bypass damage reduction by virtue of being magical, but by being spells. The Skeleton as mentioned, has DR5/Bludgeoning. Even though its DR isnt canceled by "magic", spells still ignore it.
It sounds more convoluted than it is, or atleast, once you get it, it does make sense ;)
Payet Best |
Close. They bypass by virtue of dealing energy damage. Energy damage is in turn reduced by energy resistance and immunity.
the above mentioned diamond spray does physical damage.
Chord of shards and blade barrior of I remember right also do physical damage.
Garroth Seren |
I was going to correct you, but decided to re-google it to link you to the pertinent data. Apparently there has been some new imput on the matter though, so you are right according to James Jacobs.
Still hotly debated though it would seem.
Payet Best |
Could I please find out if my knowledge religion check worked? My action is pending finding out whether or not I know in character what I know out of it.
Also just a reminder, my bardic inspiration does boost spell damage too
Payet Best |
It has an AC of above 20 even when grappled? I vote we run
Who's with me.
Also Patricia, your second level spells espically, each are only useful in certian, fairly rare, situations.
Your first level ones are a little better, but it says a lot when your first level spells are better than your second level ones.
Cure spells are always useful
shillelagh is great for anyone already using a quarter staff
Obscuring mist and all the related fog spells are clasic debuffs
bull's strength or cat's grace are good buffs
Flame sphere is a decent damage dealer
Basically if you don't know exactly what's going to happen, make sure that each spell you cast can be useful no matter the circumstances
Garroth Seren |
Garroth can probably take it down in a few rounds once I stop rolling 3s. Assuming the fast healing is 5 I expect two more solid hits could probably do it, and thats not counting everyone else.
Im really interested in why it would attack us, and who it is Mel smells like, though I have a fairly obvious guess.
Anyone wanna try talking some sense into it with a diplomacy roll? never know if its willing to talk.
Fethryth Teldanona |
I seem to be doing solid damage to. I'm going to keep shooting magic at it until it either dies or I run out of spells. It sounds like it's pretty damaged, plus I want to know what it is darn it lol.
Payet Best |
I do a lot of damage, if I hit that is, my average damage is 18.5 (with inspire courage power attack and arcane strike), but with it's fast healing, and with me not being able to hit it, in character he's a tad concerned
And that's not even getting into the fact that it can drain levels, which I'm not sure if any of us have a way to heal
Patricie |
Thanks for the advice Payet, I'll be sure to keep that in mind if I ever level. I guess I was trying a little too hard to use character-based spells (plus there are just so many to choose from).
Also, I'm a fan of continuing to fight it.
Melaphi Dasan |
Anyone want any claim on these?
The scroll should go to Feth as the only reliable person to be able to cast it (presumably on Garroth's sword at some point).
Garroth already has a cloak of resistance, any of the rest of us could make good use of it.
Patricie |
None of them really go with my role. I'm not in the line of fire, so the cloak wouldn't do me as much good as y'all, and you're the main buffer, so the potion of invisibility would benefit you most.
Patricie |
I don't want to keep this up in character, but Payet, looking for poison-detecting glasses is simply not the priority right now. If we think we're being poisoned, someone can distract them while I DP my drink and, assuming they want to poison all of us, we'll know whether that's the case. I'd much rather help people find adamantium weapons, or try to find any info on the blueprints of the keep we can find or what-have-you: steps toward destroying/incapacitating the golems.
Fethryth Teldanona |
Could we plate Payet's guitar/axe with adamantium? It would be very metal.
Yes, I am slow clapping for myself. But it is a serious question