Inelukii's connection would be the hardest to establish I think, but perhaps she could be doing some research at the temple of Pharasma? Maybe studying midwifery techniques to improve her healing abilities? It would at least have her in the vicinity. And put her in touch with Inuksuk perhaps where they could have met and bonded over shared ethnic background.
Talin will meet him there as a rep for the SCMs
Weekend had work and was away and then surprise 1 day extension
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That could work... though Asherick would be desperately hoping his mother and little sister would have long followed his urgent suggestion that they leave Korvosa to safety either in Magnimar or in among the Varisian traveling caravans of the Sczarni! Korvosa is no longer 'safe' with the Red Mantis assassins openly operating in the city~ for ANYONE associated with the JUSTICARS!
How about a minor variation then? I found her on one of the caravans (definitely plausible with my skills and connections) and arranged a sending spell between her and Ashe. You replied to her for me to meet at the Church of Pharasma. That way you even find out that your family is OK :-).
That could work... though Asherick would be desperately hoping his mother and little sister would have long followed his urgent suggestion that they leave Korvosa to safety either in Magnimar or in among the Varisian traveling caravans of the Sczarni! Korvosa is no longer 'safe' with the Red Mantis assassins openly operating in the city~ for ANYONE associated with the JUSTICARS!How about a minor variation then? I found her on one of the caravans (definitely plausible with my skills and connections) and arranged a sending spell between her and Ashe. You replied to her for me to meet at the Church of Pharasma. That way you even find out that your family is OK :-).
:) That could work too.. I've been kinda leaving it up to Megan to reveal what happened to Ashes mother and sister once we return to the Temple..as that is going to be one of Ashe's concerns. His mother IS a very independent and motivated woman.. not really under Ashe's control... heh. She might have plans of her own. But both options sound cool to me... I'll leave it up to Megan..but she seems to intimate that you ALL have sufficient reason to be in the Cathedral of PHARASMA.
If only the elephant was pink, you would have done a world class troll on any party-goers.
Edmund has a prestidigitation spell for that!
I can only assume we are waiting on a post from you Megan.
AH.. I see.. no problem! Congrats... Doctor Robertson!! :)
"Mrs. Robinson"
And here's to you, Mrs. Robertson,
Jesus loves you more than you will know.
God bless you, please Mrs. Robertson.
Heaven holds a place for those who pray,
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, hey, hey
We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself.
Look around you all you see are sympathetic eyes,
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home.
And here's to you, Mrs. Robertson,
Jesus loves you more than you will know.
God bless you, please, Mrs. Robertson.
Heaven holds a place for those who pray,
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, hey, hey!
:)
Yep, they sure don't write music like they used to, do they? ;)
Finally got my background on paper and put it in my profile. Feel free to take a read.
Yeah I looked up the RAW too... I think Megan's ruling comes from this description in the module...
"Expecting their appearances to generate some concern, the doctors lift up their masks, showing that they are indeed humans if asked (although this does not count as removing the masks, allowing them to still benefit from the magic items’ effects)."
Likely she felt this was a cheat... if a mask is not covering your face ...then are you really wearing the mask at all? And if you are not wearing a item.. why would its magic keep working? So she might be considering it to be a face/eye slot item that as long as they are worn around the neck ...like a pair of goggles, one can still benefit from them.
But that is all conjecture on my part...
Ashe, I think you might be taking the inch that the author gave to the doctors and taking a mile.
The doctor's mask (a 50 gp item) is described as resembling the head of a heron and featuring slits that allow its wearer to breathe, this black, goggle-eyed mask of leather and cloth covers the entire head and shoulders, acting as a primitive gas mask filled with herbs meant to purify the senses and ward off disease. This mask grants its user a +2 bonus on Fortitude saves made to resist foul smells (like a stinking cloud spell or a troglodyte’s stench) and inhaled diseases.
The magic item (a 2,000 gp item that is a head slot item and has not been errataed) is described as resembling the more common nonmagical doctor’s mask, a plaguebringer’s mask grants a +2 resistance bonus on saving throws against nauseating scents and immunity to one specific disease (the disease must be chosen at the time of the mask’s creation—the ones in this adventure grant immunity to blood veil). The mask veils the wearer’s alignment, making him register as neutral to alignment-detecting effects.
So, for 1,950 gp, you're getting immunity to a disease and nondetection. If you make that item slotless to boot, it is the equivalent of a 1,000 gp item.
By comparison, you can get a one time use of nondetection from a potion/oil for 800 gp or a ring of mind shielding (which also offers immunity from detect thoughts and discern lies for 8,000. If that ring was slotless, it would cost 16,000 gp. In all likelihood, the mask is intended to have a downside for its 2,000 gp price. Perhaps making you look like a freaky bird.
You guys might have run this differently, but its pretty clear that the author's intent was to have the doctors wearing the masks on their heads and if the PCs insisted on seeing that they weren't some sort of monster, they would lift their mask to show they are human without completely removing the mask. Presumably, they would immediately put it right back on so they don't catch the plague.
I'm not the GM here, but I wouldn't allow the doctor to still get the save bonus in that situation (not that it would likely come up at that moment). The save is clearly related to wearing the mask (just like the mundane item). I don't think I'd allow them the immunity either if someone happened to expose them to blood veil at that moment.
No question, the author is definitely stretching things with respect to still getting the nondetection effect in that situation. But I think its one thing to say that it is still in effect long enough for them to show you their face and another thing to switch it to a slotless item and ignore the downsides of the item.
I guess I don't fall on the 'good for the goose' side of things. I fall on the side of feeling like sometimes the bad guys get to bend or break the rules for the sake of the story.
All that said, we're the newcomers here and if you guys have ruled it that way and its important to your character, have at it.
LOLS! Its not really that big of a deal to me... and its not really come up in the game. Only two times has Ashe been in disguise where he did not want people to know he was a paladin. In truth, if Ashe really was concerned about his Aura of Goodness giving him away.. he'd just cast Undetectable Alignment as a bard from his scrolls or as a paladin from his prepared spells.
Again, I'm only repeating what the DM has ruled. I asked she approved.
I agree it is a stretch, but its established that the NPC's are doing a similar thing. Its not really all that important to Ashe he not be detected.. it is a convenient feature though.
Though ponder this...
On p. 550 PF Core Rules Table 15-19 Estimating Magic Item Gold Piece Values -
If say one wanted a item.. "Cloak Clasp of Hidden Alignment"...
That could be a 1st level Bard Spell, Use-Activated or continuous, 1 charge per day, and just for good measure no space lmitation.
Spell Lvl 1 x Caster Lvl 1st x 2,000gp. Divide by 5 {1 charge a day}, 2x cost for no space limitation, then half the cost for a spell with a normal duration of 24 hours.
That would be a 400gp item.
If we decided to be less 'cheeky' and use the 2nd level version of Undetectable Alignment as per paladin...
Spell Lvl 2 x Caster Lvl 4th x 2,000gp. Divide by 5 (1 charge a day),
2x cost for no space limitation, then half the cost for a spell with a normal duration of 24 hours.
That would be a 3,200gp item.
I give it one charge a day as a limit cause then its subject to being dispelled for a day until it recharges the day if it gets dispelled.
Two very different prices but close enough to the 2,000gp of the Plaguebringer's Mask...
Just saying Ashe could easily have afforded to have one of the THEN present Wizards in the party at the time to with Craft Wondrous Item feat to make him and item~ AT HALF cost to do the exact same thing he is using the mask to do right now. {Shrug}.. it was just not that important since Megan said Ashe could simply use the mask to do the same thing the Physicians were doing.
If its an issue to any of you.. I'm cool with just not using the mask that way.. like I said not really a big deal to me personally.
Undetectable alignment is a different animal than nondetection. You don't register as any alignment at all. Definitely a spell/effect that throws a flag for the diviner that someone has something to hide about their alignment.
I raised it because I didn't see any way you could be doing it without wearing the big honking bird mask which was definitely something that deserves role play.
You guys have house-ruled it differently and it sounds like you'd rather leave it alone. Nuff said.
He could be a Rakshasa .. lets get him...!!!... what? I'm an Inquisitor..
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Undetectable alignment is a different animal than nondetection. You don't register as any alignment at all
I thought that in pathfinder there wasn't a way to detect alignment any more. You can detect components but not actual alignment. So, a True Neutral and somebody with undectable alignment are indistinguishable.
He said he was detecting alignment then specified he was looking for good, neutral or evil only some folks were responding with their full alignment (I didn't, I just said 'good'), but full alignment was what wsa specified.
An inquisitor can detect chaos, law, good and evil... I can find out your exact alignments basically.
Akina does not register for any of your detection spells.
Well unless you use tricksy magics
Well unless you use tricksy magics
Or choose the most proper alignment for serving the Lady of Bones.
Ah ha... I see it works in not finding anything i'm looking for, no static to find the hiders, yes the true alignment.
Megan waiting on an actually reply by Zellara on a harrow reading and an inferred reply from Bishop d'Bear about her opinion of Zellara's spiritual existence... how to put her spirit to rest so she can pass on or if it is even necessary.
To the players sorry for the slow pace at which this is proceeding... there is one last ask which may be a little RP intensive before we actually leave for the Cinderlands...
First Ashe is going insist on officiating over Graxer Firebeard's funeral... I won't drag it out.. but it needs to be done.
Second we must get both Vencarlo and Neolandis out of Korvosa to someplace safe... not sure if the module addresses this but we'll see.
GAH! this is frustrating... FINALLY the Paizo site is back up! Sunday is the only day we seem to be able to get a regular post from Megan and the Site is down almost all morning...!
Hope we don't have to wait until NEXT Sunday to get a post to move things along!
Talin you didn't really need to bother... we had all assumed you were there the whole time and just were listening to the conversations. You really only cut your own throat RP-wise when you exclude yourself, unnecessarily... a lot of information was just given out but up to you!
Remember...this is play-by-post... one of its advantages to sit-down table top is ..you're NEVER really missing out of the conversation.. you get word for word what was said just by reading the previous posts! :)
I undertand. Will read through and just assume he was informed. :) no worries.
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Hey all I think i'm going to leave this game, i'm just not able to keep up with the quality of the posting at this slow pace, too long a breaks between stuff happening really doesn't keep me involved.
The new players seem to be of great quality and at this juncture in the story it's a good point to leave, please divvy the loot I was given as party gear Ser Asherick.
No problems with players or gm just this game doesn't suit me.
Thanks all.
Megan if you could please remove me from this game.
Sorry to see you go Jord. Come back if you ever feel like it.
I'm trying to wait for a post from Megan a reply from Vencarlo and Neolandis about our destination beyond leaving Korvosa.
Ugh, that sounds like an awful night! Sorry I've been missing this week. Slammed with work.
Edmund would like to keep the spell books we found, both because it fits his background, and because I can get him a mnemonic vestment which lets him cast from a spell ok once per day.
I'm also thinking of getting him an Ashe-like book of scrolls (though maybe not of EVERY wizard spell, and throw in some pages of spell knowledge as well for those rare spells where caster level and spell DC would be an issue.
Edmund hasn't been updated to 9th level yet, so he'll be adding a new 2nd, two 3rds, and two 4ths. Are there any 1st level spells he doesn't have folks would like to see him able to cast?
Edit: in another game I play, I have a spell caster who uses adhesive spittle to great effect, so I will probably get a POSK of that.
Well... as a 4th Charm Monster is a good solid offensive, defensive and utilitarian spell! Though indeed Black Tentacles is very useful as well! As for 1st level spells.. burning hands would be a good choice as you don't have a low-level AoE damaging spell that you can spam... useful for swarms or low powered multiple threats that you'd rather not waste a fireball or such on. And you might consider taking fireball.. as AoE effects its pretty useful. I think with your cash from the Arkona palace... once we get to Kaer Maga... you might consider purchasing a Lesser Meta-Magical Elemental {Cold} Rod... which would allow you to add cold as an attack type of yours without having to take cold spells per se {cold fireball, cold lightning bolt, cold burning hands...etc...}! Would only expand the forces you could bring to bear!
Also with all the cash that Edmund is getting.. some dusts of emulation would make using scrolls or items for anyone not normally able to use such ...MUCH easier!
Just some of my observations.
The game style is just too slow I can't get into character as I have to keep researching what I was up to.
Definitely a couple meta magic rods. Cold one was already on my list, given that we're going to a place called the Cinderlands.
3 1st level spell knowledge pages, a cold meta magic rod and an extend rod are 9000.
The mnemonic vestments are 5000.
That leaves money for a few useful 1st level wands.
He can also carry the wizard wands we found in the labyrinth.
I hadn't considered charm monster. I normally bypass the Enchantment school altogether, as I don't like all or nothing effects. But charm monster really fits his character well.
I was thinking black tentacles and dim door, but if I take the Expanded Arcana, I can get 3 new fourths.
For the three 1sts, going with burning hands, adhesive spittle, and I'm considering alarm. Next time we are dungeon crawling, he would be able to drop an occasional alarm at important crossroads, as well as ward emergency campsites.
:)
@ Edmund - Sounds to me like you got a good hand on what effects are efficient and needed!
@ Jord - No problem man.. I understand the rate has been an issue for several previous players as well. Graxer's player left for the same reason.. to each his own. Been fun having you with us none-the-less! Best of wishes fella!
Turns out he gets dim door for free at 9th level from his bloodline, so he also picked up elemental body 1.
He bought: mnemonic vestments, a rod of disruptive spell, a rod of elemental cold spell, and a wand of endure elements, so nobody needs to be uncomfortable in the Cinderlands.
He also bought a portable alchemist's lab so he can make cheap alchemical items like alchemist's fire.
Cool..just remember, we will need to hold our purchases until we arrive in Kaer Maga... mostly an informality.
However, the Queen does not know about Edmund being a part of the JUSTICARS... he could reasonably travel the the Acadamae unmolested by Grey Maiden or Red Mantis Assassin and make all those purchases.
But I believe the Acadamae has closed its doors in the face of the current city turmoil.. though a powerful Sorcerer seeking arcane purchases might make them open up.
Plus his hat of disguise should fool run of the mill soldiers. I'll leave it up to Megan if he can buy things here or if he has to wait for Kaer Maga.
Currently, Edmund has no intention of continuing to adventure with the group once they get to Kaer Maga, but I foresee no difficulties in changing his mind. Even with his grief over the presumed loss of his son, he was finding the life rather exciting after many decades of selling books.
Rats! I forgot to do something in the Cathedral of Pharasma... Ashe meant to ask the Bishop about how Nexus, the Derro Acolyte of PHARASMA was progressing?
@ Edmund - Here are the spellbooks you requested... I can't keep them on my sheet as I'm running out of space..lol!
Ryloth's Spellbook –
4th: animate dead, dimension door, enervation, and ice storm
3rd: dispel magic, hold person, lightning bolt, ray of exhaustion, and vampiric touch
2nd: detect thoughts, false life, ghoul touch, scorching ray, and spectral hand
1st: charm person, chill touch, grease, mage armor, ray of enfeeblement, and shield
0 lvl: acid splash, detect magic, light, ray of frost, and touch of fatigue.
Vreeg's Spellbook -
3rd: fly, gentle repose, vampiric touch, water breathing
2nd: blindness/deafness, command undead, darkness, false life, feather fall, scare, scorching ray, spectral hand
1st: cause fear, sleep, magic missile, chill touch, ray of enfeeblement, shield
0 lvl: touch of fatigue, detect magic, mage hand, mending, ray of frost
The items Ashe is purchasing in Kaer Maga are...
[13,320gp] Celestial Shield {+2 Blinding Hvy Steel Shield} ‘Gold Edge’ Sanctified [IOMEDAE]
[3,000gp] KNIGHT-INHERITOR’S Ring {of Protection +1}
{Simple Gold Band w/Iomedae Symbol}
[4,200gp] CLOAK of the {Resistant +1} CRUSADER {Brilliant Red Cloak w/Upright Winged Sword}
[3,400gp] MEDAL of the HERO’S HEART {Winged Cracked Heart Pendant}
[4,000gp] Ioun Stone {Inserted in Wayfinder} Clear – Spindle = No Need for Food or Water
- Resonance: Protection from possession and mental control – As Protection from Evil
[10,000gp] Figurine of Wondrous Power –
And he is selling...
[4,170gp] Shield, Heavy Steel +2 Sanctified [IOMEDAE]
[2,200gp] Ring {Tiny Jade Dragonfly} of Feather Fall
[2,000gp] Ring of Protection +1
[2,000gp] Amulet of Natural Armor +1
[1,000gp] Cloak of Resistance +1 {Grey hooded Travel Cloak}
[2,000gp]
...all at half-price of course.