Yay!
Sorry to have been silent today - I was completely jammed at work. Collapsing now - I will catch up and post in the morning.
Also, you have the promised 1000gp reward (for bringing back Natalya alive) to split amongst the party.
Should we level now?
Should we level now?
Yes. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
No worries, and just to confirm it's okay if my Lvl2 rebuild includes a change of archetype from Archaeologist to Arcane Duelist?
Yes, that is fine.
I am going to pause another day to allow everyone to consider their level up plans and to allow me time to consider the debrief.
You should also make final determination of who wants to keep each item (especially the Shard).
Hold off on purchases and sales until after the mission debrief.
Note that you will be able to sell and buy things from the qurtermaster. As stated earlier, the society will take 10% off the top of all sales, and purchases are restricted to those items available by normal PFS purchase guidelines (since your fame is 4, that means only the Always Available stuff).
Attempting to sell outside of the Society will require time, negotiation, and might anger the Society if they were to find out. Plus, shopkeepers might not want the stuff you have to sell.
Purchasing outside of the Society is allowed, but will require time and negotiation. Obviously, this will become more important later on, as your purchasing power will likely far exceed what your Fame will allow.
Does 10% off the top mean 40% of purchase price instead of 50%?
Also, just so the rest of the players know and can plan their purchases, Barkot will spend 2PP on a wand of CLW. It won’t hurt to have another, but it probably isn’t necessary right away, at least until Celia levels up and we have a second character who can use one.
They take 10% of the 50% (so 45% of the purchase price is what you receive)
They take 10% of the 50% (so 45% of the purchase price is what you receive)
Ok, I’ll adjust the formula on the spreadsheet.
And Celia, the only reward we got from the VC is the 1000gp - I don’t think she handed out any extra potions of CLW. Barkot would be happy to give you back the potion you handed him earlier, though, and will give the other potion to someone else.
I’ll assume we’ll just split up the gold, unless we want to make adjustments based on the permanent items we take from the loot pile.
Remember to claim anything of interest on the loot sheet, otherwise, we should assume we sell it all, yes?
Also, GM, we picked up a “wicked looking well-made dagger” from Plutivarch - can you let us know what it is?
@Barkot, I also picked up a CLW wand since I can use it as well and be backup healer.
Arcane-Duelist2
+1hp for both FCBs
Kept Weapon Finesse + now have Arcane Strike & Combat Casting as bonus feats
Took Feather Fall as my new spell
I claimed a Mswk short sword and chain shirt from the loot sheet, I have the whip too but am willing to give that up
Plutivarch's dagger was just a Mwk dagger, but it is fashioned in serpentine pattern.
The module descibes it as "wicked looking", so I carried that forward.
(It was also his arcane focus... the poor guy can't cast spells anymore)
@Barkot, I also picked up a CLW wand since I can use it as well and be backup healer.
Arcane-Duelist2
+1hp for both FCBs
Kept Weapon Finesse + now have Arcane Strike & Combat Casting as bonus feats
Took Feather Fall as my new spell
I claimed a Mswk short sword and chain shirt from the loot sheet, I have the whip too but am willing to give that up
Great - I had a brain fart & forgot about bards having CLW on their lists.
Also, given the additional surcharge for selling things off, I think it is even more important than in most campaigns to get as much use from the loot we find as we can, because we get less than the standard amount from a sale. So I suggest you keep the whip. We can always sell it later.
Squint, do want the mage armor wand to use on your eidolon (assuming that spell is on the summoner list)?
In the second tab on the spreadsheet, I have a running tally of the permanent items people have claimed (we can divvy up the potions once everything else is dealt with), and the total sale value of everything we found that hasn't been consumed yet. It assumes that we're putting a 1/6 share into a "Party" fund, but maybe it's too soon for that. Usually that's how my groups pay for healing items, but at the moment we're just using prestige points to get level 1 wands. Should we just divide everything up between the five PCs and worry about starting a shared fund later?
Celia would like to keep the following...
The MW mithral shortsword
one potion of cure lt. wounds
1 climber's kit
1 second story harness
a tangle foot bag
a smoke stick
and her share of the 1000gp reward (200gp)
She'll also top off her quiver with any spare arrows found.
The rest of the items when they are sold off (including the chainmail she insisted they take...) Celia is not interested in. Celia knows she was only interceded and helped you guys with about 1/2 the mission.
Just a little back story on Celia guys: She was hand picked out of the arena by the Pathfinders..she is a child of poverty that had 3 choices to get her family in a better position financially and possibly one day move them out from Underbridge neighborhood.
1. Marry out (wealthier old man)
2. Courtesan
3. Gladiator
She's actually been through most of the Pathfinder academy and taken several classes and had formal instruction. As evidenced in her 1st lv. class of loreseeker fighter ( A Pathfinder Society Class) Celia is a jr. member of society however, not even having earned her wayfinder yet.
Perhaps the GM could set up some kind of ceremony for Celia when she reaches 2nd lv. recognizing her achievements as a Pathfinder and awarding her full Pathfinder agent status and possibly a wayfinder?
Lady Heidmarch already offered all of you a field promotion to agent, so I don't think you have to wait until second level :D
As for the Wayfinders, she might have something in mind *whistle* Naturally, you are all free to buy one, if you want.
@Barkot Outside of Fenster's you made a roll attempting to identify the "blue dwarfies". I said you could keep that roll for when you returned to the library. Do you still want to perform that research?
@Celia I am pretty sure that the only arrows being used so far were small-sized. All of the medium-sized people were using crossbows.
@Barkot Outside of Fenster's you made a roll attempting to identify the "blue dwarfies". I said you could keep that roll for when you returned to the library. Do you still want to perform that research?
Yes, please.
GM: can we store items (bedrolls, excess arrows and trail rations, etc.) at Heidmarch Manor temporarily as a way of dealing with encumbrance?
Current thinking for Barkot, level 2:
- Adjust ability scores to: 14, 14, 14, 12, 8, 16 (reduces WIS by 2, increases STR by 1, and even so, unless I find someplace to dump extra gear during the adventuring day, Barkot will be stuck at medium encumbrance even with a masterwork backpack).
- FCB: additional 0-level spell known
- New spells: level 0 - Create Water, Spark
- Skills: the only item of interest is that Barkot now has one background skill rank in Profession (Soothsayer). So watch out - Barkot may start dropping Sooth-bombs on ya.
Celia would like to keep the following...
The MW mithral shortsword
one potion of cure lt. wounds
1 climber's kit
1 second story harness
a tangle foot bag
a smoke stick
and her share of the 1000gp reward (200gp)
She'll also top off her quiver with any spare arrows found.The rest of the items when they are sold off (including the chainmail she insisted they take...) Celia is not interested in. Celia knows she was only interceded and helped you guys with about 1/2 the mission.
Can you mark off the items in the spreadsheet, Celia?
I don’t think anyone other than Reillana has gone in and marked off items they want - does that mean we are selling everything else, or that folks just haven’t one around to it?
Should I assume from the general silence that we shouldn’t be putting anything aside as party funds at this point? If so, I’ll rejigger the division on the second tab.
Celia would gladly take the ring of feather falling but meta gaming I don’t want to be greedy and take too much loot. Perhaps I could only take 40gp of Heidmarch’s reward $ and the rest of you could have 240gp apiece? Also if you guys do decide it’s ok for Celia to have the ring of feather falling perhaps we could role play some in game thing where squint or Parnel offer the ring to Celia as a gift to recognize that she tried in the last couple of battles and there’s no hard feelings ect... ? Could be a nice moment signaling that Celia is now welcome to the group.... but again as a player I don’t want to deny you guys your fair share of the loot so I leave it up to you all
Paëral has been wearing the ring of feather falling since we found it. I assumed he intended to claim it permanently, but I suppose that's his call.
There are two sets of climbing gear.
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Got Paeral leveled up ability wise...I had the ring in case I triggered pit trap or something while trying to disable but have no problem giving it up if Celia can put it to better use...
If Barkot is not too attached to the cat burglar boots, Paëral could put those to good use and the MW thieves tools that came along with 'em, as they'd prove helpful in disabling traps along with other thieving duties...
I'm guessing we won't know exactly how much gold we have to spend till we figure out the distribution of the magical/masterwork items we found?
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OK, everybody, here is the math (all shown on the spreadsheet) and my thoughts on how it should work out.
- Resale value of items is 45% of the purchase price.
- Assuming we sell everything we have found since the beginning of the AP, and not counting any consumables used in combat or gems we used to pay bribes, the total value of everything is 5,952.94 gp (total, tab 1 (Loot Found), column G, row 65).
- Divided 5 ways, that comes to .
- Tab 2 was my attempt to keep track of which items each of us has claimed at the 45% sale price. Think of it this way: imagine the party sells everything, and then the individual PCs get to buy back the items they each want at the sale price, instead of at the usual purchase price. We each of 1,190.59 gp to work worth. No more, no less.
- This is not the only way to divide up the lootz, but I haven't heard any other suggestions.
- So, much as Barkot likes and would be able to use the cat burglar's boots, he knows is not the primary trapfinder in the party. He's willing to give them up to Paëral, and if he ends up just with cash for most of his share that's fine.
- BUT, at the 45% sale values, that would mean Paëral would have received 20 gp + ring of feather falling (990 gp) + cat burglar's boots (900 gp) + masterwork thieves tools (45 gp) = 1,955 gp worth of stuff.
- In theory, a discrepancy like this could work out over time in a long campaign. In practice, we are all very low level and a few hundred gold pieces pulled away from the rest of us would really hurt. Some flexibility in the numbers may make sense later to avoid having to sell off valuable items, but right now I think we should be pretty tight.
- In conclusion, Paëral needs to decide if he wants the boots more than the ring. If not, then he will probably still get enough gold to buy a set of masterwork thieves' tools if that's what he wants to spend it on (see tab 2 (Loot Split), column H). Or Paëral can take Natalya's set of tools that were in the boots (at the 45% value), and Barkot will buy another set at full price.
- If Paëral does give up the ring for the boots, Celia needs to decide if she wants the ring more than the mithral sword. Again, taking both would put her a few hundred gold over her share.
As far as I'm concerned, this is all open for discussion for any reasonable alternative division that doesn't result in members of the party getting killed later because they aren't given enough of the loot to be able to afford decent gear.
[dice=Rolling for 2nd level Squint HP]1d8
[dice=Rolling for 2nd level Ulyi HP]1d10
Are we rolling or just doing average HP? I am fine with either, but the party needs to pick one or the other.
Personally, I prefer average. My FtF group rolls and I have rolled mostly 1s and 2s every time. My 8th level Inquisitor has 37 HP...
To each their own, though.
Impressive work, Barkot!
Thanks, Squint!
[dice=Rolling for 2nd level Squint HP]1d8
[dice=Rolling for 2nd level Ulyi HP]1d10
Are we rolling or just doing average HP? I am fine with either, but the party needs to pick one or the other.
Personally, I prefer average. My FtF group rolls and I have rolled mostly 1s and 2s every time. My 8th level Inquisitor has 37 HP...
To each their own, though.
In theory, I like the wide range of outcomes you can see with rolling for HP. The "tank" who looks like a mountain but has a glass jaw, the wizard who can survive walk away from a maximized, empowered fireball after failing her will save, and so on.
In practice, I hate it when I make all the right choices to build my character one way, and the freaking dice just negate everything I'm trying to do. I've gotten used to the PFS method, so I guess I'd lean in favor of taking the average.
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Barkot, I mentioned earlier I don't mind giving up the ring of feather falling to Celia...only magic item really in my wheelhouse is the cat burglar boots as the tools will help in disabling and the Stealth/Acrobatics/Climbing could help in scouting and sneaking around...but I'm not gonna get upset either way, so no worries...
Think I'd prefer taking the average as well...
Did I mention that my cool Dhampir Inquisitor got one-shotted by a charging Triceratops and then got reincarted as a freakin kobold...
Not that I am bitter or anything...
Anyways 2 votes for average, 1 for rolling so far.
Barkot, I mentioned earlier I don't mind giving up the ring of feather falling to Celia...only magic item really in my wheelhouse is the cat burglar boots as the tools will help in disabling and the Stealth/Acrobatics/Climbing could help in scouting and sneaking around...but I'm not gonna get upset either way, so no worries...
Think I'd prefer taking the average as well...
My apologies, Paëral, you did indeed. I don't know how I missed that. Go ahead and take the boots and the mwk thieves' tools.
So, now the ring. Celia has said she wants it, but hasn't said whether she prefers to have the ring or the mithral sword.
We're getting close, anyway. I'll update the spreadsheets later this afternoon.
You think this is painful now, wait until Squint and Barkot have an arm-wrestling contest to decide who gets the first Mnemonic Vestment we find.
Did I mention that my cool Dhampir Inquisitor got one-shotted by a charging Triceratops and then got reincarted as a freakin kobold...
Not that I am bitter or anything...
Anyways 2 votes for average, 1 for rolling so far.
Ugh, kobolds. Have you considered having your inquisitor jump off a cliff and try the reincarnation table again?
Ugh, kobolds. Have you considered having your inquisitor jump off a cliff and try the reincarnation table again?
The kobold later got killed by a Misogyny Demon and is now a Strix. Great for an archer who wants to avoid battle at all costs, but I went from Medium to Small and back to Medium, losing half the value of my items each time.
Naturally, I was just getting into the spirit of playing a kobold. LOL
Squint, you mentioned a potion of CLW earlier - is that one of the potions recovered during the adventure, or did you buy one at the beginning?
For the record, I would prefer to treat all healing potions/consumables that we find as "party goods" - I don't want anyone to have to worry about giving something up to get a potion that they end up pouring down someone else's throat during the next combat.
@GM - That's harsh. I hope your campaign is set outside, or someplace where your strix can fly.
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I’ve got one potion of CLW. I gave one other to you, Barkot, after the Natalya battle. I have one other potion that I’ve yet to identify. All of these potions were taken from the battle with the would-be kidnapper. I had held on to them in order to identify them. I used the potion of invisibility that I got and identified from that battle.
I’ve got one potion of CLW. I gave one other to you, Barkot, after the Natalya battle. I have one other potion that I’ve yet to identify.
The final potion was identified at the lodge as a Cure Moderate.
Right, that's what I figured. As far as I can see, there are two CLW potions left from the 5 we found. You've got one and Barkot handed the other back to Celia.
Celia will keep the mithral sword...as far as her share of the rest of the treasure she would like to keep the smoke stick, the tanglefoot bag, the climber's kit and the 2nd story harness (those items would only sell for 45% so by keeping them she gets better value anyway)
Any other gold Celia gets could you just tell me...(didn't follow the math that closely but it looks great! :) (besides Celia is happy with almost anything she gets..
I'm fine with either. If we go average, then Ulyi gets 2 more HP and Squint loses 4.
Squint only loses 3 :)
Let's go ahead and use average HP at each level, it simplifies bookkeeping and I don't need to bug each of you to roll on the forums.
Is anyone planning to refuse admission to the Society? It doesn't seem like it. Several of you seem rather excited about the prospect.
Barkot is in.
Reillana, Squint, do either of you want the ring of feather fall?
I took Feather Fall as my new spell, so I'll pass.
Joining the Society is Reillana's reason for leaving the Spire, so she'll naturally join.
Also a big thank-you to Barkot for doing the heavy lifting on loot distribution!
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Squint's not interested in the ring of feather falling. He would like the wand of mage armor, as per previous.
He'd also be keen on holding onto one of the potions of healing. He's happy to carry the other potions.
He'd also like to purchase a potion of invisibility from the quartermaster.
Of note, Squint took a rank in Linguistics on his level up. His new language is Thassilonian. He would be able to be talked into carrying the Shard if Reillana wasn't interested, but he's not going to volunteer.
Reillana would rather keep it... I was planning on taking Thassilonian next level for fluff reasons since she'd be studying the language now.
Reillana would rather keep it... I was planning on taking Thassilonian next level for fluff reasons since she'd be studying the language now.
You guys haven't yet chosen the bonus language for the Ioun Stone portion of the Shard. (just a a reminder)
Reillana would rather keep it... I was planning on taking Thassilonian next level for fluff reasons since she'd be studying the language now.You guys haven't yet chosen the bonus language for the Ioun Stone portion of the Shard. (just a a reminder)
Thassalonian!
OK - Barkot will take the ring of feather falling. Not exactly a hardship! It does, however, leave Barkot without much in the way of free cash to upgrade his gear. To maximize his funds, he will focus on picking additional mundane items out of the recovered gear (some of which he had picked out earlier):
Morningstar
Silk rope 50'
Crossbow bolts (10)
Chainmail
Climbing kit
Second-story harness
Ring of feather falling
I hesitated over the chainmail - as I've said, I built Barkot as a denizen of the streets, and he is far closer to being a rogue than a fighter (thus the Seeker archetype). But he is also the only member of the party proficient with medium armor, and he'll make a good enough temporary tank until someone better comes along. I expect he'll switch back to lighter gear and do less front-lining once we get some more loot, or at least by the time he's ready to level up to 3.
The "Loot Split" spreadsheet (2nd tab) should be up to date. I don't know how much gold any of you started with, so for everyone other than Barkot the totals at line 10 are just the gold you get in addition to the value of the items you take. If I got something wrong, feel free to fix it. I'm putting Barkot's non-loot purchases under the subtotal, as an open way to keep track - like the PFS inventory tracking sheets (which I have replaced with spreadsheets for most of my characters anyway). Feel free to do the same or not, as you like.
@Celia, you'll see that your share of the loot is 20 gp less than each of the other PCs - we received a 100gp reward for turning in Plutivarch and split it up before you came back to the group, and before Isan dropped out.
@GM, unless there is something else Barkot should be spending his 2 remaining prestige points on (after spending 2 for the CLW wand), he will use them to get a wand of bless. He's more debuffer than buffer, but he won't be averse to giving the group a little morale boost now and then.
On potions: my suggestion is that Squint and Celia each carry a potion of cure light wounds, as they have said they want, and that Paëral hang onto the potion of cure moderate wounds. Celia can only lose and be healed for so many hit points at level 1; part of the power of the the CMW potion would likely be wasted if she used it. Paëral has more to lose - and regain - and could take a surprise hit while scouting up front; if someone else goes down, he should be able to move quickly to feed it to someone else. Reillana and Barkot can heal themselves as long as they are conscious. I don't have a real opinion about who should hold onto the potion of lesser restoration; maybe Reillana should carry it so that nobody is left out.
One last thing - Barkot does not have the funds available to buy a healer's kit. If any of the other PCs feel like buying one, Barkot probably has enough room in his backpack to carry it while staying at medium encumbrance.
FYI: I have one more RP segment to complete (after work today), but the debreief/brief portion of the day is essentially over.
For moving forward, I am going to start preparing the maps for the Crow.
One "feature" of this AP is that the vast majority of the maps have a 10' grid.
If possible, I'd prefer to not try to redo the grids. It is possible, but it won't line up perfectly and won't look as good. Can you guys deal with the fact that four of you can fit into each square on a battle map?
Maybe we can try it first, and if calculating diagonals, etc. becomes difficult we can switch to me redrawing the grids.