GM Brunoreturns |
You were 10ft back, Deric. I assumed Barkot passed actually near the pit to look inside.
I wasn't trying to hide anything, but you specifically asked what you could see from 10ft back.
If Deric actually approached the edge of the pit, he could see the throne as well.
Anyone who wants to use a missile weapon will have to stand adjacent to the pit and incur the risk of falling in.
Deric Vel |
Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I specifically stayed that far back to avoid a dex roll.
He's all yours, Paeral :-)
If you fall in, you will finally end up on a throne.
GM Brunoreturns |
Readying is a standard action. You can ready a standard action, a move action, a swift action, or a free action.
You may not ready a step and a standard.
Backalley Barkot |
Readying is a standard action. You can ready a standard action, a move action, a swift action, or a free action.
You may not ready a step and a standard.
Deleted my initial response. It’s fine, I probably misread the rule. Barkot delays.
Deric Vel |
He ties a scarf around his face to cover his nose and mouth and looks again for a hidden door…
Surely we closed the chests and it eventually airs out.
GM Brunoreturns |
You can move your boat adjacent to Barkot's boat with a move action.
If you plan to try to restrain him while still seated, you will take a prone penalty.
Either way, you'll need an Acrobatics check to avoid tipping the boats over.
Backalley Barkot |
GM, could we update the map with boats and tokens? I would like to attempt to restrain Barkot.
Best example I’ve ever seen of why I should always catch up on the Gameplay thread before the Discussion thread.
Backalley Barkot |
All caught up. At least Barkot is taking his armor off before he goes for a swim. It must be a very thoughtful enchantment trap.
GM Brunoreturns |
FYI Deric, I am currently considering you to be "Climbing" and not "Swimming".
Obviously, you can release as a free action and become "Swimming", if you wish.
Paëral |
GM, would yellow be a more viable target since it’s grappling Deric who is on the surface?
As for the other two…being 15’ below and not grappling, are they visible to us? If they are, is there a penalty for trying to hit a submerged creature with an arrow?
Sorry for the questions…in all of my fights I can recall with aquatic creatures, either I was submerged as well or they broke surface to fight and I could strike them…this is new ground for me…
GM Brunoreturns |
Oh, right. Deric would be moved to an adjacent square by rule.
@Deric, I need a decision about whether you want to hold on to the boat or not.
If you hold on, give me a Strength check.
@Paeral creatures who are not on the surface or in the first 5ft below have total cover to ranged attacks.
You can see their shadows and can recognize them as mechanically Large eels.
Deric Vel |
he eel ends up getting moved adjacent to Deric (so that one is 10ft deep)
If he has me by the leg he is 5 ft deep, correct. Both cannot be true imo.
GM Brunoreturns |
You are in the 0-5 ft block (which I am calling 5ft deep) he is in the 5-10 ft block (which I am calling 10 ft deep)
Deric Vel |
If he is in contact with me his head is within 5 feet for Paes shots. I get the square stuff, but grappling creatures must be in contact and share some space.
Paëral |
While I hate that I can’t fire, the GM is right. From a strict reading of the rules, it appears it doesn’t matter if the eel’s in your square or not as long as it’s fully submerged:
A completely submerged creature has total cover against opponents on land unless those opponents have freedom of movement effects.
I can’t hit it if it’s got total cover…while I think my acrobatics mod will likely keep me in the boat, with no way to attack my options are limited…I can try to help pull up Deric but don’t think that’ll help unless he breaks free from the grapple first…I’ll sleep on my options and post in the morning…
Paëral |
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I’ll bone up on the grappling rules as they’re not my strongpoint…not sure if Aid Another is allowed in a grapple and if it is, not sure if I have to be able to reach the grappling eel to aid…
Hopefully Squint can summon some water creatures…
Paëral |
Sorry, originally posted this in Gameplay, thinking it was Discussion...deleted the Gameplay post and moved here...
Deric -59 Dying, Grappled, Underwater 25ft
Well that sucks...excuse my ignorance but, providing the summoned water creatures can keep the eel from killing Deric outright, what are the drowning rules in Pathfinder? I googled and found this on Reddit:
Unconscious characters must begin making Constitution checks immediately upon being submerged (or upon becoming unconscious if the character was conscious when submerged). Once she fails one of these checks, she immediately drops to –1 (or loses 1 additional hit point, if her total is below –1). On the following round, she drowns.
Is this accurate?
GM Brunoreturns |
Yes, he can only move half speed (and did 10ft to 25ft). He can also place you in any square adjacent to himself.
Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place your target in any square adjacent to you. If you attempt to place your foe in a hazardous location, such as in a wall of fire or over a pit, the target receives a free attempt to break your grapple with a +4 bonus.
Technically, he should make a check to maintain, but since you are helpless... I think I got it right, but grappling is confusing, so let me know.
I would also have given you a free escape attempt. Underwater definitely counts as a hazardous location to Deric.
@Paeral Yes, that is accurate. I was still looking those rules up, so thank you.
GM Brunoreturns |
As you wish, Deric. Please calculate your CMD while you are helpless, unconscious, and grappled.
Maintain: 1d20 + 16 + 5 ⇒ (12) + 16 + 5 = 33
GM Brunoreturns |
The condition that triggers that free check is not occurring during your turn, but I will allow it.
Deric Vel |
If you attempt to place your foe in a hazardous location, such as in a wall of fire or over a pit, the target receives a free attempt to break your grapple with a +4 bonus.
Deric Vel |
That thing is only CR5! Really? What is something like that doing in a module for our level PCs? Dead in one round, maybe two. No warning.
That being said, I give you my sincerest apologies for that utterly stupid move. Kylee, I thought I would die saving you, not the reverse.
Is the shard a gamestopper? Squint could probably summon something to retrieve it or the pack. I was going to tell Pae to grab it but that was so fast.
GM Brunoreturns |
Sorry, Deric. My regression to mean with the die roller just happened when you were the sole target.
Just to set expectations:
You are on the suffocation track already. The healing reset you to the beginning of the track. At the end of your turn, you will progress to the next step, which is Unconscious at 0 HP.
Paëral |
Those things are deadly in the water, especially when they catch a single creature by surprise...with three attacking and my bow being useless, I didn't have a warm fuzzy...
With two of us in the water and Barkot enchanted, we're in a sticky wicket...perhaps the aquatic creatures Squint summons can bail us out...I can jump in and maybe flank an eel with the summoned but I can't reach Deric...unlike when using my bow, I only get 1 attack per round with the rapier...and I don't think these eels will be easily killed...in the water, we're like sitting ducks for them...if there had only been two, maybe, but three will be a tall order...
Anybody seen Galaxy Quest? We need to activate the Omega 13 so I can stop Deric from entering the water...
I'll wait for Squint's summoning post before I post my actions...
Deric Vel |
Anybody seen Galaxy Quest? We need to activate the Omega 13 so I can stop Deric from entering the water..,
LOL, yeah. My plan was to place my bill across the two boats and with weight on both ends, you basically have a catamaran. They are almost impossible to topple.
It is what it is. My bad in big way.
Backalley Barkot |
GM - I don’t know what the effect is that has taken control of Barkot’s mind, but I take it that seeing 1 or 2 of his friends about to drown doesn’t give him another chance to break free with a will save?
Paëral |
Will post when I get home from work...would like to see where the squids end up...
Also, Deric still has his turn as well, correct? What he does could affect my action...
Paëral |
I dunno Deric, that's why I'm not sure what to do as yet...while you failed your CON check and lost an hp, Kylee healed you afterward...I was thinking that made you conscious and you could act normally but I'm fuzzy on the drowning rules and the GM's initiative line still shows you as dying...
Deric Vel |
GM is gonna have to rule on that. RAW I am dead but RAW does not cover an unconscious character reviving during the process. He does have me listed as dying and I will act differently if I feel myself dying. So, that is why I ask.