
DM NomadSage |

Hey folks, just a head's up that I have put one of my 3 campaigns on hiatus. I've tried keeping everything going, but a combination of RL stuff and low-stage burn out have made it so that I'm neglecting *all* my campaigns. I'm going to try and focus on my 2 longer-running campaigns and hopefully get things moving at pace again. Thanks for your patience!

Nomad Sage |

Anything we can do to help?
Not really, you guys have been great. I didn't realize it for a while, but it all pretty much became a time-sink thing. With 1 campaign, I could post updates reasonably in 15-30 minutes... with 2, that went to 30-60, which was still managable. When I added a third, I was looking at nearly an hour or more to keep everything up and running.
So, it just started slowing everything down, and then I wouldn't bother posting in *any* campaigns. There's always days off and delays and vacations, but I could tell something was wrong. I hope that hedging back my DM responsibilities will get my other 2 running more consistently.

Cherias the Kitling |

I'll make a post this evening.
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Segang |

FYI - I am traveling for the next week and will be back home on August 30. I'll have limited posting until then, but I should be on some. And after I get back I am headed to Dragon Con on September 3 and will likely not post between the 3rd and 7th.

Seren Dypethe |
- Active spells: Mage Armor, Veil
- Spells remaining: Clr Spry x2, Frcd Quiet. M Arm, vent, laugh, det tht, create pit, stone disc, invis, hyp pat, twi haze, dispel, major image, haste, fly, Sh Ench, DD, Shad Conj, PK, Sh Inv ,
Sh Evoc x2, Br Ench, Teleport - Binding Darkness: 9/9, Veil Pool: 7/10, Pearl: 1/1, Extend Rod: 3/3
- ***HARROW POINTS***: 4

DM, I've taken to using the same tab in Roll 20, but separating by fog of war. In other words, place the second story map below the first story one. Crop it and bring it forward and then just surround it with blackness to show both floors on one tab.
Just have to let your players know since sometimes the default load screen Won't show it there and they may have to pan down.
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Cherias the Kitling |

It doesn't target the square, Mel, its target is the creature or object you launch it at. It's not a ranged touch attack, though, so it's a little unclear.

Seren Dypethe |
- Active spells: Mage Armor, Veil
- Spells remaining: Clr Spry x2, Frcd Quiet. M Arm, vent, laugh, det tht, create pit, stone disc, invis, hyp pat, twi haze, dispel, major image, haste, fly, Sh Ench, DD, Shad Conj, PK, Sh Inv ,
Sh Evoc x2, Br Ench, Teleport - Binding Darkness: 9/9, Veil Pool: 7/10, Pearl: 1/1, Extend Rod: 3/3
- ***HARROW POINTS***: 4

It's not a miss chance, you need line of sight to the target which includes the target. Like magic missile or charm person.
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DM NomadSage |

Yeah, I forgot about that. It's not an area of effect spell (like fireball, or web), or an attack roll spell. Like Seren said, requires LoS.
Referencing Segang's "maneuver", I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that. You can't move into an opponents square without overrun, or tumbling, or some other exception-making ability. "Bumping" an opponent's square isn't a thing, thus no AoO. Moving out of threatened squares in the vicinity will provoke, though.
I'll concede that the PF ruleset is labyrinthine and not everything is co-located, especially with expansion rulebooks, etc. If there's some alternate or non-Core sub-rule on this, please let me know.

Segang |

Sigh. Yes it is a thing. I will look up the rule in the morning if you like. But it should be no big deal. I could move past the square for the same thing. - it provokes. The enemy either takes its AOO or not. If not Segang misses. If so, if the AOO breaks invisibility, he hits.

Seren Dypethe |
- Active spells: Mage Armor, Veil
- Spells remaining: Clr Spry x2, Frcd Quiet. M Arm, vent, laugh, det tht, create pit, stone disc, invis, hyp pat, twi haze, dispel, major image, haste, fly, Sh Ench, DD, Shad Conj, PK, Sh Inv ,
Sh Evoc x2, Br Ench, Teleport - Binding Darkness: 9/9, Veil Pool: 7/10, Pearl: 1/1, Extend Rod: 3/3
- ***HARROW POINTS***: 4

It doesn't require line of sight, because it's not a ranged attack spell, so it would require line of effect, which Mel has. In any case, just tell me what to roll or I need to retcon.
Not sure where you make that distinction. From the magic section under Aiming a Spell.
Target or Targets: Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. " You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target." You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.
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DM NomadSage |

Sigh. Yes it is a thing. I will look up the rule in the morning if you like. But it should be no big deal. I could move past the square for the same thing. - it provokes. The enemy either takes its AOO or not. If not Segang misses. If so, if the AOO breaks invisibility, he hits.
What you are describing is an Overrun. The combat rules are quite specific about it.
Yes, there are a dozen other things you can do to provoke an AoO.

DM NomadSage |

It doesn't require line of sight, because it's not a ranged attack spell, so it would require line of effect, which Mel has.
In any case, just tell me what to roll or I need to retcon.
Seren posted the key phrase. Unless it requires an attack roll, miss chance technically doesn't apply. Until the target is visible, you can't complete the spell.

Segang |

Segang wrote:Sigh. Yes it is a thing. I will look up the rule in the morning if you like. But it should be no big deal. I could move past the square for the same thing. - it provokes. The enemy either takes its AOO or not. If not Segang misses. If so, if the AOO breaks invisibility, he hits.What you are describing is an Overrun. The combat rules are quite specific about it.
Yes, there are a dozen other things you can do to provoke an AoO.
I sent a PM with some rules and tried to explain my thoughts. I believe overrun is an attack. Segang is not attacking he is simply moving into an occupied square. At the time he is not completely sure it is occupied. I completely agree that you get to arbitrate what happens when he does that. Its an illegal square to end his turn. I believe, per the rules that he must return to the square he started from and that it provokes.

Cherias the Kitling |

I think an overrun may be the best way to arbitrate it. That gives the opponent the option of opposing the overrun and getting an AoO, or dodging it and letting Segang run through the square without stopping.

Seren Dypethe |
- Active spells: Mage Armor, Veil
- Spells remaining: Clr Spry x2, Frcd Quiet. M Arm, vent, laugh, det tht, create pit, stone disc, invis, hyp pat, twi haze, dispel, major image, haste, fly, Sh Ench, DD, Shad Conj, PK, Sh Inv ,
Sh Evoc x2, Br Ench, Teleport - Binding Darkness: 9/9, Veil Pool: 7/10, Pearl: 1/1, Extend Rod: 3/3
- ***HARROW POINTS***: 4

Yes, but an overrun is a standard action, which I assume is what Segang is trying to avoid.
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Segang |

Then we are resolved, at least for this instance. Segang tried to provoke and could not know Jolistina was nauseated so his attack misses due to the invisibility miss chance.

Absinthe Mooneyes |

Sorry for not posting. It's been a... busy couple of days.
I hope you'll feel better soon, Mel.

Cherias the Kitling |

Ah, sorry! I'll post a bit later tonight.
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Absinthe Mooneyes |

Sorry for the delay. My laptop is not connecting to the internet and I'm posting purely over my phone. It's a bit... awkward.

Cherias the Kitling |

I'll have a post up before bed tonight.
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Cherias the Kitling |

Yeah, I figure that was kind of a foreshadowing of this. Maybe we should return there and look for any further clues.

Segang |

So, loot found:
+1 Glamored Studded Leather Armor - Seren
3 potion flasks - Still unknown
wand of Cat's Grace - 11 charges - I think this needs to go to Seren as it seems not to be a witch spell?
3 smoke bombs - Absinthe
a magic crossbow - Need to ID
18 bolts
3 magical bolts - Need to ID
mwk dagger - Segang will take this if no one else needs it
2 alchemist's fire - Segang will take one if that is ok
flint & steel
manacles Segang can carry this
pouch full of jewelry - need value
Do we have a list of previously gained loot? I have forgotten. It would be nice to gear up some. Segang's only magic item is his +1 armor.

Melianthe Ssulissien |