Honestly Gabe, you're being downright obstinate. Your character was out in game for all those rounds. We, the ones who were still upright, could make our social rp and we attempted to keep your character and Xan's from getting too cold and succumbing to frostbite. Just because you couldn't post in the rounds your character was unconscious does not mean you can come in after the fact and change the scenarios to suit yourself. We don't do that to your character in game. It's disrespectful and time wasteful to boot.
It doesn't mean that Gabe can take off with the horse and gear if he doesn't agree with what we're doing either. So if Gabe wants to move on, move on, but leave the horse and gear with the main group.
I'm taking a break from the game today. I'll be back tomorrow.
It's okay. I'm just moving up the path 100 paces, that's all.
I just want everything to be cool, that's all.
I'm sorry for any issues, I'll do what I can to delete what's going on if I'm able to.
You weren't AFK. Your character was out cold due to not making fort saves and will saves. It's all in game play.
And so what that you made the travois, you still can't take all our gear! Gabe is entitled to wander off on his own with his own gear ONLY.
The thing is, I'm sorry this even happened, it's too late to delete it, though. But I hope we can just move on.
I just wanted to have fun and play my character, I honestly didn't want it to be an issue. I'm sorry if it has been.
I'm terribly sorry for any problems this has caused.
So as you may or may not know I have been having a lot of issues IRL lately. Work, health, money, and other issues have been coming together in a storm of stress and I am having a difficult time dealing with it all. Until I am able to get back to a point where I have things under control however, I am going to be pulling off of the boards completely. I am sorry that this comes so suddenly after starting a game, and one that I am enjoying, but it needs to be done I think. I may occasionally pop in to say hi on the discussion thread and may come back to the boards in the future but I don't know at this point. I need to stabilize my families situation and focus my efforts there first. Thank you all for such amazing, funny, and fulfilling times and I hope everything goes well.
Much love to you all, with whom I have shared such amazing adventure and camaraderie.
Again, I am so sorry and hope that someone will take this game over to give you all the adventure you all deserve.
I'm sorry that we'll lose you, but do what you got to do with your family and feel well soon.
Wow, well good luck Imm and hope to have you come back to us soon. I understand the stresses of life get you bogged down so take care of your family first. In the meantime, you sent me the first three books of winter, do you want me to read them and continue on in your stead till you get back? I will just have Variel be an NPC until such time. He can help with combat and checks, but won't be part of making any final decisions for the group.
Of course this is pending on what the group wants as well.
Thank you both and Variel if you want to take over that would be incredible assuming everyone else is ok with that. It would make me feel a ton better knowing that someone was keeping this going.
I actually expected this game to close up. I don't mean that in a negative way, it's just what I figured would happen.
Variel, do you have the TIME to run two games? RL can hold surprises and I'd hate to see you get spread too thin.
I have the time now and will do my best. It helps that my family goes to sleep at 8:30 at night and I am up till 11:30. I may not always provide an update till then for one of the campaigns, but should be able to consistantly enough to keep both games going.
If Variel feels he can run both games, I have no issue with him overseeing/running the game in Immortal's absence.
So, what does this mean for Aneira and Variel?
Imm, so sorry to see you bow out, but real life must always take precedence over gaming... take care of you and yours first.
Variel, thanks for stepping up to take over this game. I am impressed you feel up to it after seeing what we're like from the DM's pov in the WotR game, lol. Thank you for doing so.
Variel will still be completely involved with everything except for decision making. As I have been quiet on that front and letting others make the call anyways since Variel had the spotlight in shackles it shouldn't change much. As for the interactions with everyone, especially Aneira, I will still be wanting to continue on with what has been established and see where all the RP goes from there.
Hey all, just wanted to let you know that I am reading through the module and will get a post up soon.
I have asked the forums moderators to switch the campaign over from Immortal being the GM to myself. Once that is done I will update the campaign thread with the same house rules as from Wrath of the Righteous. Hopefully this happens soon and I will work on the icons for map tools tomorrow to finish those up if I can.
Have fun everyone and hope this transition works and Immortal is not gone for long so he can return and participate.
Night all see you tomorrow.
ni ni Variel... sleep well.
Gabe, waiting on you in the game thread. Saw you post in Wrath and wasn't sure if you knew you were up.
Night all, will see you tomorrow.
Night, Variel. Sleep well.
Anyone got a loot list for this site?
We're gathering lots of gear and valuables - I'm kind of curious to know what we got.
Maybe Beck is keeping a tally for this game, too? I know he was putting one together for Wrath. We will have to wait until he's back on the board tomorrow to confirm it.
Hey guys - I've been having terrible problems with my internet connection - I think it's my cable in general, as for some reason all the TV's in the house go all static at the same time I lose it too.
It's on now, but I don't know how long (hoping permanent) - I'm talking to the cable company when my landlord gets up.
Aneira - Thanks for the heads up!
If Beck isn't doing one, I'll see if I can do it, but I don't know how to keep a running tally on the boards right now...
But we are starting to get a lot of gear, not counting misc. weapons/armor (the MW axe is handy) - but we're also gathering other stuff, too (like the suits of armor we pulled).
All told, it's not too bad for a bunch of level 1 guys - and since we don't have much time to craft, that will be handy.
For this game I'm assuming that we're still using GM Immrtl's House Rules for crafting, as that was something I considered when I made Gabryjel.
In any case, I'll see you guys tomorrow! (I hope ;)
OK, Var i got the lists done as far as i know, and the sheets are set up to COMMENT for anyone, but i need to edit it. cooks and kitchens and such, so comment (by right clicking) to claim things or, you know, make a comment.
Variel, when you get home and can check, was the Breastplate that the frozen dude in Reign of Winter masterwork, or just his longsword?
Als guys, we need some spellcraft and appraise checks for gear in Wrath of the Rightious.
posting in both games
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Here is what I have for loot list for this AP...
Starting wealth
2 MW longswords
Normal breastplate
90 gp worth of clothing
165 gp in jewelry
Signet ring
50gp or less item each
Tiny rapier
Dagger
MW handaxe
25 bolts
14 arrows
18gp
12 sp
13 cp
1 MW dagger
2 spears
2 lt wood shields
MW chainshirt
3 studded leather armors
5 leather armors
Still working on Wrath as I got busy last night. Will get it later today.
I think the tiny rapier is too tiny for Xanxan to use without penalty, and he has one of his own. We'll see.
In other commentary, poor Xanxan is not doing as well on trap rolls as he'd like
Magic traps are not nice to first level rogues though. The basic DC is 25 plus spell level so you would have had to roll almost a nat 20 to pull it off. It could have been worse though.
Okay, I will be leaving soon for my long weekend activities.
If Anee needs to make any moves, DM please bot her? Thanks.
Enjyo your trip, Ry!
Will do Anee. Have fun.
Need to go complete some work. Will be back on the board in 1.5 hours. Sorry for the hold up.
Okay, I'm back.
I am frustrated at this moment. The group decided one thing, Gabe was not happy but said he would go along with it. Then the DM moved the game forward, one bandit had already died as we were talking and the other was 12 seconds off from dying and Venja said it was good he would just die in his sleep and no one had to kill him. So we moved forward again. Now Gabe has come back and wants the other bandit alive/healed, too?
I really would like us to stick with one plan and move forward with that rather than all this to and fro. The regular changing action is annoying and unnecessary, in my opinion.
Venja, when you to check on the two men that you did not stabilize you find that one of the men has already expired. The other man's breathing is so faint that you almost missed it. If not stabilized soon he will expire in the next 12 seconds.
Aneira, your assessment is the same and concur with Venja. If this discussion is to have any practical purpose a course of action would need to be done soon. Of course no action is just as good and would be a moot point anyways.
Beck, the man is rolled up and warm so no danger of frostbite but he is still unconscious.
Aneira, I'm not saying anything to the group. I'm just standing there; then I moved up to scout a bit. That's all.
The GM said that one bandit had 12 seconds to live; that's 2 rounds.
It's enough for someone in the group to heal him, if they wanted, as I pointed out with the note about the heal check, but that's all.
In fact, I just deleted that post to avoid any extra issues.
But I didn't heal anyone, and I didn't say we had to do anything.
In fact, I didn't do anything except do some casual scouting about 50 feet up the trail, and that's it. Out of game I pointed out it could be done; but even when I checked the rule and pointed it out, I was ninja'd by Beck.
I don't understand what is I did that made you angry with me.
If you'd like to send me a PM to explain, I'm open to it, but in the meantime, I'm just kind of confused right now.
Your "passive" thought bubbles in your posts are contrary to the group's actions and elicit reactions like mine. That you deleted it does not take away that you had posted them in the first place. I have explained it numerous times and I not going to continue this any further (here or pm).
Your "passive" thought bubbles in your posts are contrary to the group's actions and elicit reactions like mine. That you deleted it does not take away that you had posted them in the first place.
I'm sorry that my draft was not very helpful to the group; even though it was "thinking" not saying anything in character, but if it was an issue, it was deleted a while back.
I didn't think it was that bad, but in any case, it's gone and I'm hoping that resolves things and that now everything is cool.
Ok so I come back and I am trying to figure this whole thing out.
From what I see, and someone correct me please, gave you made a thought post where you did not actually say anything out loud but disagreed with letting the bandits die? Then Beck read that and mad ea heal check to stabilize the last bandit. Then Aneira questioned why the change of plans when half the group (Venja, Aneira, and Xanxan) were in favor of proceeding under a thought process already. Some time after that Gabe deleted the thought post but before I saw it to know what was written. Then Gabe makes another post without thoughts but walks 50 ft away to look down the path. Now it seems like there is a disconnect for no apparent reason and people are not happy with what was said or the direction taken.
Storywise I need to know if beck would still stabilize the man if Gabe does not indicate his wishes verbally to keep the man alive. Also want to now why we are keeping a man alive just to have Variel and Gabe drag him into the woods to kill him cleanly.
Outside of story we need to figure out how to proceed without people getting upset at each other. As I have already indicated tht I am not taking part in decisions that makes it a 5 person group for votes. Once 3 people have agreed open a course of action thatis the directn we are going. Minor, I repeat, minor retcons are allowed but nothing tht would change the story. In this case we have been talking about it for at least 36 hours so it was not like people have not posted to share ideas and thoughts before a decision was made. Hopefully this works for everyone as a decent way to come to an agreement on a course of action without waiting a week.
Once I know the answer from beck about stabilization on the bandit I will move on.
As of now I am going to bed and will deal with it in the morning.
Storywise I need to know if beck would still stabilize the man if Gabe does not indicate his wishes verbally to keep the man alive. Also want to now why we are keeping a man alive just to have Variel and Gabe drag him into the woods to kill him cleanly.
Gaberyjel never said anything formally.
He was frustrated by the fact that when he makes suggestions, the party seemed to do the opposite - this was "in his head".
Than he told himself to "man up; act like a damn soldier; stop whining, and obey orders". That was also "in his head".
Than he walked off to scout ahead.
I re-read the post and disliked it and edited it down to the point that the "thoughts" were cut and the reader could only see his facial expressions and physical actions. I did not edit it quickly and others had read my posts with his "thoughts".
I believe that after reading my "thoughts" that was perhaps why Beck posted that he healed the man; but I don't know.
On the other hand, Beck had the absolute time to take a standard action to heal a man via the Heal Skill via First Aid in less than 12 seconds.
I would like to say that just because someone is AFK shouldn't mean we don't have a chance to act (I was out for a while at work today in the evening). But in this case I'm not offering my opinions either way any more. The party can do what they want, as for my vote - I abstain completely.
As for the action itself, I don't know what will happen next.
Meanwhile, no matter what we decide on I am clear that I have no idea what we're going to do with any amount of prisoners, once we heal them.
Because of this, I'm going to toss something else out here now; just to think about...
Whenever a person is laying near death at your feet and they are an enemy it is a difficult and complex question on what to do with that person; with deep and far reaching moral and philosophical elements, as well as sometimes spiritual and religious elements that can even transcend into "out of game" commentary that can get heated and last weeks for out of game discussion.
I have never gamed before when the enemy was even able to go to "negative HP" for the purpose of bleeding out - unless the party does specific non-lethal damage to achieve that goal (or he was an important NPC or boss). Otherwise it would mean that "good" characters should feel an obligation to do something to help a fallen man; even an enemy, because they are "Good" characters and good people don't let helpless people (even enemies) simply lay there and die simply because it's easier.
As long as enemies keep living after we drop them I think this will continue to be an issue. I think any character who let dying men bleed to death on purpose would be sliding toward "evil" on the alignment scale, but that might just be me.
Variel, as the GM you have control over how the enemies go down. But if this keeps happening - if enemies keep living into the negatives than I don't know what will become of the progress of the game. i would think that every time we reach an enemy who is a humanoid it will be very slow going on how to deal with him unless we have a formal decision made on how to deal with this in game.
there's only alignment issues it the GM says there's alignment issues.
As far as dying NPC's we could perhaps go with them only getting to go into negs if we've dealt non-lethal damage to them. So if we try to take them as a prisoner, but then an arrow puts them into neg lethal damage, they don't die at 0, cause we're trying to not kill them, but if it is a situation where we ust put the enemy to 0HP, they die and we're done.
we'd only have the conversation about bringing people back if we decide to have that conversation, and here when we want to use information to figure things out, it was useful.
Also, Beck's stabilize can stand, we can use that as leverage and get the guy we healed to cooperate. He behaves and we'll give him a potion if we survive, or at least let him bring his buddy to the lodge. Even though the guy is unconscious, he'll survive if he gets inside.
As far as dying NPC's, we could perhaps go with them only getting to go into negs if we've dealt non-lethal damage to them. So if we try to take them as a prisoner, but then an arrow puts them into neg lethal damage, they don't die at 0, cause we're trying to not kill them. But if it is a situation where we must put the enemy to 0HP, they die and we're done.
We'd only have the conversation about bringing people back if we decide to have that conversation, and here when we want to use information to figure things out, it was useful.
I'm fine with Beck's suggestion.
The only reason I kept track this time and in wrath was because there was a specific mention to interrogating them afterwards. Since people were doing lethal damage there was the very real possibility that people fails the heal check and the bandits died from their wounds before you could question them.
Also, I do not count it an evil act to let a foe that has fallen in battle die peaceably by not stabilizing him. Now that the bandit is stabilized though through our efforts, then it would be an evil act to kill him as we are just toying with his life.
As such, I will update the gameplay thread later with all of this. I will be taking a few liberties to move the story along and to try and make people happy so we can continue.
I was fine with allowing that dying bandit to die. But Beck stabilised him to appease Gabe, so we have to accept that action now. But honestly, I wish the decision hadn't been changed and I do not see any added benefit. There was no need to use the second bandit as leverage because Anee with Venja's aid rolled pretty well on Diplomacy with the third bandit we were questioning.
So, is Gabe now going to monitor/deal with the second bandit rather than go off alone on the track? Anee is busy with the bandit she is questioning.
Actually, Gabryjel is still 50 feet from the party.
He has no illusions on his lack of diplomacy; he won't try to interfere with whatever needs to be done; he merely watches things unfold quietly but does not say anything.
Attention: Gabe.
The men and woman separate to their own groups to see to the still living bandits. Gabe moves off down the path 50 ft to keep an eye on the road and stay out of the way of the interrogation while Xanxan hides in the shadows of the trees. Beck motions to Gabe that the last bandit is stable, "Well, this corpse isn't bleeding out, so yea can take care of him. An' we'll have a chance ta use him fer leverage..."
Gabe was motioned back to the group by Beck to oversee the bandit he stabilised. So you are currently back near us again, doing that.
This is for everyone, before I try to play this out on the board (unless majority are against it),
Did we, as a group, want to offer Michael (the besotted free man/bandit) a place among our group? That is, shall we ask him to join us or just let him and Slim Jon leave and rejoin their lot?
Any man who is this enthralled with Aneira needs to go. Of course this is the over protective uncharasmatic Variel that is talking. The real decision is up to all of you but that is my 2cp
Gabryjel will abstain from any votes on the matter.
He'll leave this decision to you guys and accept what you all decide.