As for watches I think Variel and Venja are the only two that need 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. I know Gabe said he would take first watch but should we have one of those take first and last watch to give them their sleep?
6 people at 100 minutes will take 10 hours but allow everyone to get 8 hours rest and then the arcane casters can prep while the others get food ready and everything packed?
Remember, too - if someone like Xanxan decides to stay up for several hours, he can sack out a bit on the horse on the ride home.
I'm actually being serious with Xanxan. He's not too heavy so he should be big enough to ride the horse while we walk, or lay curled up on the travois, if he wants to.
Another way to put it is - given a reasonable watch schedule when we leave a reasonable time - does anything actually happen during the night?
If not, is it possible if we can set a time and "fast-forward" (barring any social RP with Lady Agasta which can be easily done on the social thread if we want, I guess) and move forward to the next issue; be it on the trail on the way to the town, or the town itself?
Just saying, unless anything is going to happen on the way back to town; are there any details we need to hammer out that we can't advance to the town? Would that be okay with everyone?
Just curious...
Aneira and Venja are currently up with the fey, Vrixx. They haven't eaten since Gabe handed out the food after they had moved upstairs and they haven't come down still. Aneira has yet to check on Variel's wounds, let alone hers.
My question to the group is, what do you want to do with Vrixx? If he keeps eluding Anee's questions and simply wants us to release him, she will give up questioning him and retire downstairs. She does not think releasing him is a wise option.
Lady Argentea can be questioned as we move back to Heldren, so that isn't a hard thing to do via rp.
Regarding what watch shift to take, I have no issue with Variel taking first, followed by Venja taking the second shift and then the rest of us ...
We either kill him outright or let him go.
It depends on how he acts. If he's nice, Gabryjel would let him go. If he's acting rude; chop him!
Also, I think I meant to say Lady Svetlana, not Lady Agasta ;)
The point is, the Lady who we rescued is the one i meant
Okay, I need a nap right now.
See you all later tonight!
Actually I meant Variel first and Venja last or vice versa. Having one of us in the middle breaks up the 8 hours of sleep and adds more time to the rest.
Gabe I understand your wanting to push along but even if nothing happens tonight we still need to figure out watch rotations when it comes up again and something does happen.
As usual I will stay out of the vote for Vrixx.
I'd vote Venja first watch as she is uninjured and Variel last shift.
Maybe someone should share Variel's watch since he's so low on hp's.. there's enough of us to double up watches some.
Anee can share watch with Variel. Unless it is better that someone with more hp do it. I don't mind doing the shared watch, either way.
Put me in whatever watch you want :)
I can take any watch and Sheelah has the Watch trick, so she can keep watch with Variel as well. Or Sheelah can help someone with lower perception, since Beck's is pretty good perception wise
I forgot about Sheelah. Counting her we could divide it up so that Variel and Aneira could be on one watch together. Variel can prep his spells during that time as well unless interrupted by Aneira. Then Venja could watch with someone as well and do the same for her prep while the other does the more active watching.
How about...
Venja/Snow/Sheelah, Xanxan, Beck, Gabe, and Variel/Aneira with each group having a 2 hour shift.
I have no issue with that 2 hour shift watch suggestion, Var.
Hey guys, right now I'm really, really tired, but I set my alarm clock for 10:30 PM so I could wake up and refresh the boards and add in RP for what happens next so I wouldn't hold up the game by not posting just because I was sleeping.
I'm sorry, I'm just really exhausted, and although I didn't mind waking myself to get on the boards to post; I'm just a little frustrated that having a discussion on when and who goes on watch is all that happened except for an interrogation of a Fey that only one person is doing.
As for watch schedule - HP should never be a factor in watch; it only takes a Free Action to scream to wake up your allies even if you have only 1 HP left.
Only two things should matter via watch schedule is; Hit Dice and Perception rolls.
We need to make sure the people on watch have a decent amount of Perception for the Watch. Gabryjel is only +3. Having him alone is a bad move (he's not, but just as a general rule).
Also, we all know what a sleep spell does. Having a 1 HD creature on watch vs. a sleep spell when their Base Perception sucks vs. opposed Stealth Check is ridiculous, and should be helped in the meantime. It looks like it has, which is good.
Meantime; Garyjel has an absolute issue with having only the Whitestorms on watch together alone. I could post the in-game reasons quick on the Discussion Thread; or I could RP it out completely on the Main Thread - or I could just say that Gabryjel doesn't look happy at the choice, but keeps his mouth shut because he just wants to get sleep and move on in the morning; I will go with the last option for now. If anyone wants to social RP Gabryjel's private misgivings he'll happily do it when we get back to town.
GM - We spent quite a lot of posting now trying to figure out watch schedule right now, instead of having something set up for a general rule later; so I am going to assume that it was important to do now. That said; what watch do we get attacked?
We may not get attacked but more has happened then just watch talk. Aneira has gotten info from Vrixx and we are still RP what is going on.
If this is a problem then sorry but get some sleep and things will be better in the morning.
It's my understanding from reading the rules that heal checks don't restore hit points... is that changed somehow? if so, I WILL do a heal check on Anee and anyone else who's looking a bit pale.
@ Gabe: Venja/Snow (perception +6) and Gabe can team up, for example, if you feel that is better, on first watch. Or Gabe and Sheelah? I think this watch schedule shouldn't be turned into a grand issue. Xan's perception is +6, Beck's is +8, Sheelah +8, Aneira's +5, Variel's +2, Gabe's +3. So, factoring all that in, I can't see why this is becoming an issue. Alright, we'll put Gabe with someone, but whether you are with Anee or she is with Variel it makes no difference as you and Var are pretty on par with your perception. Shrugs.
I presumed watch would be a minor sentence or two during the course of the night before we headed out in the morning. Are we going to play out each watch shift?
Well, to be honest, I think the entire watch issue is a waste of time at this point unless we get attacked in the night and shouldn't have been an issue except for when it needs to be an issue.
The primary reason that i think it's a waste of time now is that I am going to just multi-class on level 2.
When I do that, it will change my Perception Check a bit and how/when I go on watch.
Based on the grindhouse style of combat in this game and the low amount of healing anyway, I may even decide to give up combat for a while and multi-class as a healer/caster just to help out with that angle in the group.
In one day our party fought over 20 zombies (including the one's at the carriage) 10 bandits; several elementals; several Fey with magic and a caster who was at least 3rd or 4th (not sure there) and multiple traps and we are on level 1. All our casting was burned up half-way through the day and that is a problem.
Clearly we need healers more than fighters (a 3rd level magus does an average of 30 points of damage per round, my bow isn't going to make much of a difference compared to that anyway) and although I intended to go up as a fighter on the next level after some private conversations, at this point I'm reconsidering my entire advancement.
When I do that, it will effect my Perception and that will effect when I would want/need to sleep.
we can put SHeelah with Gabe till we hit level 2, and figure it out after that.
if your issues with having the whitestorm's on watch is anything other than perception checks not being high enough for a shift, i'll not be dealing with that discussion in the least and would rather not have intra-party conflict bog down play for things like that, but i've never liked in-fighting and try to avoid that kinda drama as much as possible.
we'll likely be getting more healing as time goes on, with Venja and Aniera, and Beck'll be taking more healing spells too. I just didn't today cause i wanted a fire spell and a damage spell. Next level i'll have another sot for healing, nad the level after that I'll have Lv 2 spells and can afford several more heals. So that's not really going to be an ongoing issue, and i'd rather not lose a fighter in favor of healing that will totally be overshadowed by damage pretty fast due to multiclass.
imho, it's really life-oracles and clerics with full channel progression that are game-changing healers, but with 3 off-healers, we don't need another one.
Beck - my main concern out of game was tactics.
I'd rather see both arcane casters on watch at the same time with Sheelah as their backup only because Sheelah has scent and can offset their bad Perception. Also, they'll need 8 hours of sleep to get healed, having them sleep the same shift may be more useful in the long run because of that.
As for multi-class healers?
You do raise a good point, but some of the domain powers are pretty good for archers in the long run, and having a bonus to willpower when we fight magic creatures later won't hurt too much.
But that's a long way from here to there.
But it sounds like I have 2 votes for "more fighting, less healing" from me doing a multiclass type...
Good to know, then :)
Damn, but I really wanted to play that angle... oh well, I can get over it, I guess *sniff sniff*
;)
The thing aobut casters with healing and straight clerics is that the healing scales with level alright. Off-healers on the other hand loose some of their advantages of their primary class and get healing that quickly becomes a waste of actions cause 1d8+2 is nothing when dealing with a 5th or 6th CR monster's damage and you have 2 levels of healer and 2 levels of fighting class. it jsut doesn't add up as far as i can see it
But Beck - what if I had 4 levels of healing; 4 levels of fighting; 2 levels of Skill Monkey and 2 levels of Arcane?
Although my character would probably suck, I'd have the unique advantage of watching your head explode ;)
But seriously, I'd only pick up any level of healing in case our primary healers dropped, but some of the domain powers/spells can be useful for archers. Also, some extra non-essential spells like Endure Elements or Light (when I'm a human who can't see very well) are also things I consider. But it's all good; there's a long way to go from here to there, I guess.
After all, we still have to level in the first place :)
Venja has +6 to perception. You keep saying Venja's perception is weak but it is not (it's as good as Xan's and he's on watch alone). Variel said this morning he wanted one of the arcane casters on first watch and one on last watch. So, this shouldn't be an issue at all.
Okay, so going through everyone's profile, it seems those with low hp are:
Aneira: 2/9 hp
Variel: 4/13 hp
Beck: 6/9 hp.
Beck, what is Sheelah's current hp? I'm checking to see if she requires healing too. Thanks.
A heal check at DC 20 restores hd in hit points. If successful by 5+ then you add the wisdom modifier as well. This requires the use of 2 applications from a healer's kit and can be done once per day.
Sorry I did not have my profile updated my perception is at +3 which is still the same as Gabe's. I don't understand the big deal about the watch frankly as at first level if someone hits us with a sleep spell, as you are concerned about Gabe, on watch we are all done for.
As for wasting time, this is the first chance we have at a watch and wanted it decided now so we know for future. There was other stuff going on in the gameplay thread so brought the discussion here.
Gabe, we need someone else on watch with the casters so they can prepare spells cause they can't be on guard while doing so. that does only take an hour of a 2 hour shift so one caster preps and one caster watches. is that what you are saying?
THing is we have 3 prepared casters, so we still have an hour after the sleep cycle to wait while preparing. I don't need the 8 hours uninterrupted sleep like the arcanists do tho. And for non-prep-casters, we have gabe, aniera and xanxan. we could have each of them do a 3 hour shift.
ALso using the Long Term Care function of the Heal skill counts as light activity for the healer for the 8 hours It could make sense if we pitched in to get venja a Ring of Sustinance if she doesn't mind so she only needs 2 hours sleep and then can spend 8 ours on the long-term care check overnight to up the HP we get overnight? but that happens later, dunno if Venja would mind using one of her ring-slots for that.
The ring of sustenance would not do much good in this case at it takes a whole 8 hours of treatment to get back double the hp for long them care. That means no being on watch for her. That means that those receiving it can not do any activity that would count as close to strenuous. Not really a good option when Anee can do 4 castings and Venja can do 2 and beck can do 2 as well. That is good enough to get people up and heading back to town I would think. Besides as it stands with treating for deadly wounds and heal check Aneira has a higher wisdom which would grant another hp back.
Instead of the ring of sustenance a few cure lt wound wands would be better.
As I read it all casters need that 1 hour to prepare spells but only arcane casters need the 8 hours uninterrupted sleep. If someone can show me otherwise please do so.
Upon waking (but before heal checks and healing) the wounded's hp are:
Aneira 4/9
Variel 5/13 (sickened & fatigued)
Beck 7/9
Sheelah 8/11 (sickened & fatigued)
Xan 6/9 (sickened & fatigued)
I like the idea of the Cure Light Wounds Wands.
Thanks for letting me know, Xan. I asked yesterday for people to tell me their HP and when I couldn't see it on your status bar, I presumed you were at full hp. I amended my previous list to include you. :)
My apologies for missing your request.
No worries, it can happen amongst all the postings. I (and the other healers) know now and Xan won't be forgotten regarding healing. :)
"To prepare his daily spells, a wizard must first sleep for 8 hours. The wizard does not have to slumber for every minute of the time, but he must refrain from movement, combat, spellcasting, skill use, conversation, or any other fairly demanding physical or mental task during the rest period. If his rest is interrupted, each interruption adds 1 hour to the total amount of time he has to rest in order to clear his mind, and he must have at least 1 hour of uninterrupted rest immediately prior to preparing his spells. If the character does not need to sleep for some reason, he still must have 8 hours of restful calm before preparing any spells."
So a ring of sustenance would have no real effect - still need the 8 hours of calm relaxation. and the 8 hours doesn't need to be all sleep - just mostly sleep or sleeplike. So standing mid-watch would not be good for a wizard. Only way to do watches so wizards can get their rest is for three 4-hour watches, with the wizards taking either first or last watch, so they get their 8 hours continuous. If there's an encounter or other wake-up it can still add an hour to the rest time needed.
Thanks venja. Or if there is enough people to break the watches up into smaller increments to shorten it from 12 hours to 10 hours. At this point though it seems most are ok with the watches with Venja first and Variel last.
Oh and since people are ready to travel back to Hedren, once we get back I am having everyone level up. It isn't suppose to happen for another 3 encounters but this seems like a better time to do it. Pending Gabe's perception check there a no encounters on the way back to town.
So, Ding. Level up.
Just realize that it will be a long time before we hit level 3.
Huzzah!
How are you doing HP in this game? Is it standard average/round up? Or do you want to roll instead?
but the Ring of Sustenance states that you can prep spells after 2 hours, so you don't need the 8 hours rest.
The ring also refreshes the body and mind; its wearer needs only sleep 2 hours per day to gain the benefit of 8 hours of sleep. This allows a spellcaster that requires rest to prepare spells to do so after only 2 hours, but this does not allow a spellcaster to prepare spells more than once per day
emphasis mine.
but that is also one of your ring slots. Witches can use Ring of wixardry for example right along with all the other awesome rings out there.
Okay, just noticed that Beck did not prepare any healing (CLW) spells for the day.
So it's up to Aneira and Venja to heal 5 people (and we have 6 spell slots).
Aneira and Variel are the worst off, so Anee will heal them first (well that's her plan). I'm not sure what Venja wants to do ... Beck, can you keep on moving with 7/9 hp or can Sheelah with 8/11? If we can conserve more spells that would be great/wise.
Yeah, i'm good with diminished HP. and if we need another spell, I can prep one instead of elements. WHo needs healing, Xan, Ven, Anee and Var right?
I just healed Anee and Var. Anee's full hp (9/9) and Var is 11/13.
Xan needs healing 6/9 hp (apart from you and Sheelah). I'm hoping Venja can supply that using one of her spell slots. Venja is at full hp as she wasn't wounded in battle.
Hp per level is the same as Wrath until Immortal returns to say otherwise.
Yes a fort save can be made now for today.
And to be clear - before I level I got one vote from Beck to go straight Archer rather than Healer, too?
I think Aneira is on board with the same thing; but I'm not sure.
Does anyone else have any thoughts, I'm willing to level my guy based on what the party thinks is best; but after hearing all the conversation we've just had, I'm starting to think having extra healing could be good right now.
Just let me know what you all think and I'm good.
It all depends on what Beck has in mind for his druid once he levels...
Or as mentioned already, we could buy 2 (or 3 if we have the funds) CLW wands to help out on top of the healer's magic ....
I think we're good with healers - we've got 3 with the potential of wands already. But that's just my take on things... YMMV
So Beck is against; Venja against and Aneira's not sure.
The thing is, I built two different paths/builds for Gabryjel already, depending on what the party needs. Part of the caster was a bonus to scouting - so his Perception would go from a +4 on level 2 and instead be a +10 for perception.
Anyhow, the scouting thing is pretty handy given my sucky rolls so far, but it's not the end of the world either way.
Xanxan, I'll let you make the call; archer or partial caster/archer ;)
Play what you want. I'd suggest archer myself, but what ever makes you happy
It seems archer is the popular way to go, Gabe. But you have to make up your own mind and be happy with the direction yourself. :)
Levelling info:
HP 14/14
Bab +1 (and all associated factors)
Will increased by +1
6 skill points divided between: Diplomacy, Heal, Know. Religion, Sense Motive, Spellcraft and UMD.
One new orison: Enhanced Diplomacy
One new (Winter) Mystery spell (1st level): Endure Elements
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Here is Heldren's city stats so you know what is available or items
Base Value 500 gp (no individual item above this value); Purchase Limit 2,500 gp; Spellcasting 3rd level spells
Minor Items +I cold iron sling bullets (10), potion of resist energy (cold), scroll of aid, scroll of sleep, wand of magic weapon (24 charges), wand of scorching ray (42 charges), masterwork banded mail;
Medium Items arrow magnet, ring of force shield;
Major Items -
Once Beck has the breakdown we can go shopping...
Level up info looks good Aneira. Just so I know where is you favorite class int used though. Hp or sp or racial?
I gave the favoured class point to skills.