Sounds like my son might be the oldest of the bunch at 9. He's mostly interested in Minecraft and superhero comparisons. His current favorite topics are why Green Arrow is great and Hawkeye is lame, and rating the Robins. Dick Grayson wins of course.
Sounds like my son might be the oldest of the bunch at 9. He's mostly interested in Minecraft and superhero comparisons. His current favorite topics are why Green Arrow is great and Hawkeye is lame, and rating the Robins. Dick Grayson wins of course.
My son is only 2+1/2 years, but he already likes watching the Avengers (1st movie) and Guardians of the Galaxy.
He likes the Hulk and Groot especially. (or 'Ulk and 'Goot' as he says)
I guess it is because, just like him they kinda speak limited English...so he kinda understands them a little better?
My other son is 26, working as a chef's assistant, and thinks Man of Steel ruined Superman and refused to see Batman vs. Superman becasue of it.
My other son is 26, working as a chef's assistant, and thinks Man of Steel ruined Superman and refused to see Batman vs. Superman becasue of it.
He's right or at least I agree with him. :-)
My daughter is 3. So for her 3rd Birthday we got her a BB-8 cake and had Darth Vader show up at her party. Fun times :-)
She was around your son's age when she started watching Star Wars Karmid.
She likes Harry Potter as well though she seems to lose interest in the final movie whenever I put it on.
Ok, so mechanics question (because I can't for the life of me find a good solid answer, though I'm assuming the answer is NO):
With training in Handle Animal (either through actual training or via versatile performance), is it possible to push a wild animal into a trick like Down or Flee?
It specifically calls out what untrained can do in terms of pushing a domestic animal, but it doesn't cover what trained people could do to a wild animal.
Seems like it could be a REALLY broken way of handling a rampaging wild animal. Gwyd snaps up a marching snare and percussions his way to making a boar lie down.
I may be wrong, but I think "push"-ing an animal assumes it is willing to cooperate. Like your Horse, a Guard Dog, or a Companion creature.
Much like the "request a favor"-part of diplomacy.
A creature that is unfriendly or even hostile may not be inclined to act as you direct it, or at a heavy circumstance penalty over a friendly/helpful one.
Thats the way I always read it.
As you say, it states what you can do to a domestic animal, and it tells you what DC it is to MAKE an animal domesticated.
It does not tell you what to do with a wild animal, which by RAW suggests that is not even a possible course of action. If it was that simply, that would also make Wild Empathy a rather weird class feature. Just saying. Regardless, personally, I'm always in favor of people trying to be creative and trying out-of-the-box solutions, even if they come with hefty DC's.
What you are asking about is Wild Empathy. Handle Animal is ONLY for domestic or training animals,
not wild animals. And yes it can work just like you said IF it works. Only Rangers and Druids get it:
Wild Empathy (Ex)
A druid (Or Ranger) can improve the attitude of an (any) animal. This ability functions just like a Diplomacy
check made to improve the attitude of a person. The druid rolls 1d20 and adds her druid level and her Charisma
modifier to determine the wild empathy check result.
The typical domestic animal has a starting attitude of indifferent, while wild animals are usually unfriendly.
To use wild empathy, the druid and the animal must be able to study each other, which means that they must be
within 30 feet of one another under normal conditions. Generally, influencing an animal in this way
takes 1 minute but, as with influencing people, it might take more or less time.
A druid can also use this ability to influence a magical beast with an Intelligence score of 1 or 2, but she
takes a –4 penalty on the check.
@Karmid, it would have been easier to simply reference it, rather than copy the full text.
Regardless, it's not the SAME as what he's asking.
Even if you get an squirrel to be helpful with Wild Empathy, that does not mean you can get it to perform a trick for you.
Same thing if you can push a domestic cat to "sit", it won't forget the humiliation and hate you until a chance for revenge comes up.
They both deal with animals, and in different ways.
Much like Diplomacy is split in different uses, with "Make Request/Suggest Course of Action"-part of Diplomacy outsourced to Handle-Animal, rather than being covered by Wild Empathy, which instead covers "Influence Attitude".
Which, raw, weakens both of them. Hence why I said, I'd be all for some creative overlap, albeit with unlikely-to-succeed rolls that give a small chance of things working out the way it's envisioned.
As Lia stated you can try it but the DC would be Epic Level high. Of course, a Natural 20 is always a success...
That's kind of what I figured. I can see where Wild Empathy could maybe be a preface to getting a handle animal push done (getting the creature to the point where they'd be willing to work with you), but as mentioned, there is a time-frame around changing their attitude. It's certainly not something you would do mid-combat.
Always on the lookout for interesting ways to circumvent combat. :) Once upon a time, a party I was in was facing a rampaging group of mounted combatants. We used a portable hole and a bag of holding in unhappy ways to rip all the enemy combatants into the Astral Plane (where they had no way of coming back from). It was hysterical to watch the DMs face as our ranger dropped combat from a 3 hour ordeal to a handful of seconds.
@Karmid, it would have been easier to simply reference it, rather than copy the full text.
Yeah, sorry, I usually provide a link instead but I was in a hurry.
I had a GM IRL that gives bonuses to training young animals as domesticated when you have Wild Empathy.
But getting a wild animal to do a Trick suddenly that it hasn't been trained to do? Good luck without a
Charm Animal/Charm Monster/Dominate spell is my best guess.
Hah, my son's getting there. He plays a few things on the WiiU and has started playing WoW a bit (he mainly runs around and kills boars).
Enjoy it while it lasts, before long it'll become "NOT NOW DAD, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAID"
Whoops. Put that Xarmas was still on a horse, but I know we were going to leave them. My bad.
Whoops. Put that Xarmas was still on a horse, but I know we were going to leave them. My bad.
No worries, these things happen.
Windsight has been absent for 3 weeks. Once we hit the one month mark I will mark him as inactive. With 7 players besides him I will not be recruiting a replacement.
Alas, we may want to have our recent additions consider their ability in ranged combat...
With Marcellano already gone, and Windsight inactive for 3 weeks, we may be rather...understaffed, in that department.
I know we have a Armor Turtle, a Ranger Barbarian, and a Feral Shifter, all types that mostly lend themselves to melee.
So just asking for consideration there - maybe Drasven wants to focus on Abadar's crossbow, and our second shoanti turn switch-hitter?
Fran's Armor probably depends on a Shield, and Xarmas has Druid Goodness to compensate, which only leaves Karmid and Drasven as reasonable options.
(Gwyd is a pacifist, Ro is undecided(and I'm currently in pm with her - i'll write back soon), and Lia is full Arcane(which means crappy BaB and SAD on mental attribute.) making her a crappy ranged.
Just bringing this up already so people CAN consider.
Because even if Windsight returns before the 1-month-mark, he's the only focused Ranged-option we have currently.
I'm OK right now, but I agreed not an expert at ranged combat. If we lose Windsight, I can start developing my ranged combat abilities with feats after 5th level or so if we all think we need to worry about it. Also, just picking up a better bow or other ranged weapon (magical?) of some sort couldn't hurt lat4er either way.
I've found that otherwise most arcanists tend to dominate ranged combat anyway in the higher levels. Arrows are just cheaper.
Hum. Nope, not likely. Lia is not cut out to be a blaster. She'll be a controller.
I could, of course, add in ranged combat options, but even so, thats a significantly more limited resource, and one that is powerless against certain enemies.
So if anybody wants to go ranged combat, I promise I'm not stealing spotlight in that department ;)
I'm a mixed between the Crossbow and Melee.
My dex isn't as high as I'd like but I think I could do decent especially if I pick up Precise shot.
I've been doing some research and it looks like I could do it fairly well. With the caveat that I'm not well acquainted with play at higher levels I could shift Rojava from a melee focus to ranged and still work well as an anti-caster, which was my original idea. All of the benefits for the arcane duelist are equally applicable to melee and ranged, so it would just be matter of feat selection and trading the mobility and melee feats I have planned now, to the archery chain.
I'm waiting to see what Lia has to say on the matter. She has the details for my current character progression and I want to see what she thinks about it before I decide anything.
Yeah, fran keeps a crossbow around only for the instances where we would be faced with adversaries that don't like to touch the ground, but otherwise, I never intended for her to be good at range.
The moment Fran drops her shield, as we levelup, she'll lose an increasing amount of abilities in the process.
So, Kudos to whoever takes on the mantle.
If Karmid goes more range, please do me a favor, don't name the bow Angelus. XD
I was thinking Arch-Angela.
Get it? Arch-Angela?
Hehehehe.
Groan
In that case, we should ask if early firearms are available. Then you can have an AA-Gun.
You know, those pesky dragons have awful touch attack values...
Updates tonight folks!
Did we ever decide if we were waiting at the watering hole, or going to hunt a boar down?
I think our actual hunters voted for "go hunt", while I voted for "have a picnic". Not certain, but I assume the majority will follow our outdoor-people's suggestion, so I'D assume we're trying to follow tracks further.
Update to this tomorrow had monster updates for the Vamp game a playoff hockey eat up much of my night...
@Francesca: Added context for the cover art..."Hai" is shark in German. So it's not only saying "Hi", it's saying "Shark" simultaneously.
@Francesca: Added context for the cover art..."Hai" is shark in German. So it's not only saying "Hi", it's saying "Shark" simultaneously.
Couldn't possibly have picked a better cover art then. :P
Sorry for the absence, y'all - RL has been six different kinds of hell (kids, work, financial, emotional, and two different kinds of medical), but the archer-boy is back.
Sorry for the absence, y'all - RL has been six different kinds of hell (kids, work, financial, emotional, and two different kinds of medical), but the archer-boy is back.
Welcome back!
I will be away Friday through Sunday for the Holiday weekend FYI.
Welcome back Windsight!
Soo, it's been... going on a week now, since there's been any posting on the campaign discussion.
I know DMD said he had off for the weekend and we've been waiting patiently, except... You left at a really awkward moment, where only Lia is made aware of something approaching, and i think everyone is left in a weird position of:
"Can I post my actions now, or do I have to wait for DMD to post since Lia posted?"
And
"Well, lia is made aware, and she verbally warned the rest of us, does that mean we get to participate here, or not?"
Please tell me i'm not the only one left with that impression, or else i'm gonna get paranoid that everyone left but me XD
The GM has just been busy. I know because he has like 20 different games running at once (check out his link to all his campaigns.) and I just got accepted into one of his newest games where he is running two tables at once (Ebberon)!
I am sure he'll be back to us as soon as he can be. Memorial day weekend is always wonky for everybody.
If your worried, just PM him. He'll respond pretty quickly is my guess.
I made sure to respond ASAP, so as to not cause a hold-up ^_^
I'm a good girl!
I'll take a cookie now.
My impression is there is a surprise round....
That's what I thought as well.
I operated under the assumption of a surprise round with me going first, since if there was a surprise round with me going after, then we'd already know more than we do, I think.
But yeah, can't be certain. We'll learn soon enough ;)
Back sorry 'bout that, computer crapped out last night for some reason and first day back at work was crazy.
Yes, Lia has a surprise round while the rest of you do not, go ahead and post your action Lia!
Soo, it's been... going on a week now, since there's been any posting on the campaign discussion.
I know DMD said he had off for the weekend and we've been waiting patiently, except... You left at a really awkward moment, where only Lia is made aware of something approaching, and i think everyone is left in a weird position of:
"Can I post my actions now, or do I have to wait for DMD to post since Lia posted?"
And
"Well, lia is made aware, and she verbally warned the rest of us, does that mean we get to participate here, or not?"Please tell me i'm not the only one left with that impression, or else i'm gonna get paranoid that everyone left but me XD
I thought people liked Cliffhangers? It works for Game of Thrones!
I thought people liked Cliffhangers? It works for Game of Thrones!
At the risk of getting shot... I don't watch/read Game of Thrones.
At the risk of getting shot... I don't watch/read Game of Thrones.
I thought people liked Cliffhangers? It works for Game of Thrones!
Huh, well then I guess you don't appreciate a god Cliffhanger then... :-)
Well... I think people appreciate cliffhangers more when they involve someone else's fate :p
@Windsight: Since you did not tag your question to GM, I took a look: Since you explicitly stated you were observing me, I'm pretty certain you at least see the one "tethered" 10 feet away from me, trying to break free and gore me.
@GM: I totally forgot to use my Arcane Pool. Currently I have an equal amount of points as I have spells, so each spell I cast should be augmented...it's either a DC increase or a Caster Level increase(which would mean it's held one more round)...honestly, in this case it would make more sense to increase rounds by 50% rather than DC by one, but since you already rolled the save, it's kind of stupid to retroactively apply the effect theoretically more beneficial. So if you allow spending the point after the fact, simply roll a D2 to see if Lia increases the DC or the duration.
An increase in duration is fine. No need to roll.
Busy couple of days. Running table top tonight, if I still have gas tonight I will update this thread if not for sure on Saturday.
Oh, I guess I should have mentioned... I'm only doing maps as supplied by the AP, not making any custom items. There's no boar hunt map, so... there's no boar hunt map :)
I'll probably post maps the same way I have been in the other AP I'm doing them for. I'll post with the link in discussion here, and then DMD will move it to the top where the other maps have been for convenience.
Readied Action: Charge attack at the remaining boar if, and only if, it breaks free and charges anyone, to intercept it. Or full defense if it charges at her :P
@Fran: AFAIK you need a feat to ready a charge(as it basically combines a move and attack and is only applicable to be done as a standard action under very specific circumstances) - alas, no worries, trying to break free IS a full-round action, so even if it manages to break the bonds, it can at most get 5 feet closer this round, unable to gore anybody ^_^