Cottonseed Lodge (PFS2)

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Scarab Sages

GM Tiger, you've GMed for me. A couple days into the new year I'll set up a game if you haven't played it by then.

Radiant Oath

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Cool! Thanks! :)

Radiant Oath

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Just as a heads up to those in my tables - I'm currently preparing for an IT Industry exam. There might be delays in updating. I'll be around -- though I might be a bit more distracted (and paranoid) than usual. I've been preparing since the start of Gameday but still... :)

Silver Crusade

Female Human Level 5 Homemaker

Good luck! :)

Verdant Wheel

Action Symbols ➤ (◆), (◆◆), (◆◆◆), (◇), (↺) | Status Symbols: ♥️ hit points, ☘️ hero points, ✋ held items, ⚕ status conditions

Who is the god of exams?


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rainzax wrote:
Who is the god of exams?

Nivi?

Scarab Sages

rainzax wrote:
Who is the god of exams?

I feel like looking among the evil gods of knowledge would be a start, maybe lawful too.

Radiant Oath

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Thanks for your patience. I'll be updating games over the weekend. Sadly, it didn't go well... :(

Grand Archive

Cleric 4 / HP 48/48, Perc +10, AC 20, Fort +9 Ref +9 Will +12 / Active conditions: Toughness, Fleet, Mobility

Let's hope you still have an hero point for a reroll...


Flooded King's Court Games I've Played (Session Tracker)

Did you actually get your results or do you just think it didn't go well?

In either case, take a break from it. Regroup. Start studying again and learn from both the experience of studying so far and actually taking the test. Just taking the test and seeing how it actually functions will help you do better next time.

Radiant Oath

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yep. got my results. It was a good exam -- gave me a glimpse of what to expect and what I should be working on. I'll attempt it again next month or so.

For those familiar with the IT industry, I attempted the Red Hat Certified Engineer exam... it was intense to say the least. Started out pretty easy... then the bottom dropped out pretty quick... :)

Basically I got hung up on the stuff I don't normally use day-to-day... which is understandable... :)

I didn't bomb it -- I knew enough of the material that it wasn't a total fiasco :)

Radiant Oath

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Atlach wrote:
Let's hope you still have an hero point for a reroll...

Fortunately, I have a free retake... though I don't think having a T-shirt will help :)


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Once upon a time I did CCNA (Cisco Certified Network Associate). Which is think is similar to complexity to RHCSA, although it's a long time for me at this point. RHCE is certainty quite a bit harder and more complex and it's impressive to even get to the point of taking the exam.

Best of luck on your retake!


PFS Tracker does not seem to have season 5 or 6. What's up with that? Is there an alternative out there for tracking 2e games you have played?


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miteke wrote:
PFS Tracker does not seem to have season 5 or 6. What's up with that? Is there an alternative out there for tracking 2e games you have played?

It's a volunteer-led website and the initial owner no longer plays PFS. There was an update given here (click)

I keep track in a spreadsheet and just add in the scenarios I played and with which character. When I want to play something if it's not listed in my spreadsheet then I know I haven't played it yet.


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"Doom Girl" // ♫ // ◇ ◈ ↺ // PbP Events // // PbP GM Kit // Silver Bark Golden Blades Map // ★ DA Duology Maps

Happy New Year, everyone!

Radiant Oath

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Happy New Year!!


8-07 Map DungeonMaster

So does resistance overide weakness? I built an Ifrit poppet in Pathbuilder and put his level to 20 just to see what would happen without taking any feats. It says fire resistance of 10 but no weakness to fire. It didn't subtract it either, if it subtracted the poppet from the ifrit, it would say fire resistance 4. Is that how that really works or can Pathbuilder not compute it?

Grand Lodge

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You can have both a weakness and a resistance. Apply the weakness first, then the resistance.


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ATTENTION COTTONSEED GMS!

If you wish to report your Pathfinder Society Second edition table recruited here at the Cottonseed Lodge under the Regional Support Program in 2025 (optional but recommended), please use the following Event Number:

#4921133

Reported Regional Support Program events for 2025 earn a 1.25x multiplier on Achievement Points for PFS2 tables.

Any GM who wishes to be added as reporter to the Cottonseed Lodge for 2025 to report their PbP tables, should please send a request via PM on the boards (preferred) or leave a post below.


I would like to play a few more games first to get the feel, but will likely want to GM games in this lodge in 2025. I would prefer that be as a reporter for the multiplier.


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Is there a way to put that event number in the Short Description of the lodge?

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Count me in! You can never have too many AcP's! :)


Lysle wrote:

ATTENTION COTTONSEED GMS!

If you wish to report your Pathfinder Society Second edition table recruited here at the Cottonseed Lodge under the Regional Support Program in 2025 (optional but recommended), please use the following Event Number:

#4921133

Reported Regional Support Program events for 2025 earn a 1.25x multiplier on Achievement Points for PFS2 tables.

Any GM who wishes to be added as reporter to the Cottonseed Lodge for 2025 to report their PbP tables, should please send a request via PM on the boards (preferred) or leave a post below.

Hey Lysle, please add me as a reporter, I don't GM a lot but when I do I do it in here.


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GM Farol wrote:
Hey Lysle, please add me as a reporter, I don't GM a lot but when I do I do it in here.

GM Farol has now been added as a reporter. Whenever you wish to GM is appreciated!

I believe I am now up-to-date with adding all requested reporters received thus far. Feel free to keep the requests coming via PM (preferred) or by posting below.

REMINDER TO ALL GMS

Venture Officers remain obligated to report all games recruited and run through the Cottonseed Lodge. Therefore, all GMs must either report their tables through Cottonseed Lodge 2025 Event Number (#4921133) OR both report the table on their own event and fill in the Play By Forum Game Tracking form.


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Watery Soup wrote:
Is there a way to put that event number in the Short Description of the lodge?

No, I won't put it in the short description, because that would make it too long. I have put it in the longer description, however.


Lysle wrote:
I believe I am now up-to-date with adding all requested reporters received thus far.

Thank you for your hard work!

Lylse wrote:

REMINDER TO ALL GMS

Venture Officers remain obligated to report all games recruited and run through the Cottonseed Lodge. Therefore, all GMs must either report their tables through Cottonseed Lodge 2025 Event Number (#4921133) OR both report the table on their own event and fill in the Play By Forum Game Tracking form.

I would suggest this narrative instead:

"GMs, please help our Lodge get recognition for the games run by reporting through the Cottonseed Lodge 2025 Event Number (#4921133) or by both reporting through your own event and filling in the Play By Forum Game Tracking form. In return for this additional work, you will earn 1.25x AcP for both you and your players."

Grand Lodge

NG Male Human Educator

But that's not correct.
Reporting to the lodge event is less work (you don't have to create an event), and reporting to your own event can't grant extra AcP.

GM Redelia wrote:
Watery Soup wrote:
Is there a way to put that event number in the Short Description of the lodge?
No, I won't put it in the short description, because that would make it too long. I have put it in the longer description, however.

I think they meant just the number.


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Super Zero wrote:

But that's not correct.

Reporting to the lodge event is less work (you don't have to create an event), and reporting to your own event can't grant extra AcP.

GM Redelia wrote:
Watery Soup wrote:
Is there a way to put that event number in the Short Description of the lodge?
No, I won't put it in the short description, because that would make it too long. I have put it in the longer description, however.
I think they meant just the number.

Thank you for clarifying that.

I do know that just the number was meant, but that would add another entire line to the header, and we are already at two lines, which I consider the maximum. Any more and the 'my campaigns' page gets way too cluttered.


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Watery Soup wrote:
Lysle wrote:
I believe I am now up-to-date with adding all requested reporters received thus far.

Thank you for your hard work!

Lylse wrote:

REMINDER TO ALL GMS

Venture Officers remain obligated to report all games recruited and run through the Cottonseed Lodge. Therefore, all GMs must either report their tables through Cottonseed Lodge 2025 Event Number (#4921133) OR both report the table on their own event and fill in the Play By Forum Game Tracking form.

I would suggest this narrative instead:

"GMs, please help our Lodge get recognition for the games run by reporting through the Cottonseed Lodge 2025 Event Number (#4921133) or by both reporting through your own event and filling in the Play By Forum Game Tracking form. In return for this additional work, you will earn 1.25x AcP for both you and your players."

In addition to being inaccurate as described above, it's also inaccurate in another way. Registering your game with us one of those two ways (unless it's a convention game) is not just a nice thing, it's a requirement to recruit from this lodge.


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Super Zero wrote:
Reporting to the lodge event is less work (you don't have to create an event)

Creating an event is trivial. You click a button and put in a name. I don't think you even need to put in a date.

The extra work comes in because reporting through a third party is necessarily inefficient - the person putting the data into the system is not the same person who is familiar with the game, so there's no chain of custody for the information. If people put in the wrong PFS number, or someone types in the wrong PFS number, or the reporter simply forgets to report, it's a problem to track everything down.

So, let's say, as in one of my current games, someone wants to get credit for their non-default faction. I, as the GM know that, and if I'm the reporter, I can just make sure to change the autofilled default. But if I pass it onto someone else, there's no guarantee it happens. And when it doesn't happen, the only option the player has is to contact the GM, who contacts ... ? And gets forwarded to ... ?

There is a huge amount of additional "paper"work created with third party reporting. Don't see your game show up after a day/week/month? Is it because someone forget to report, or is the reporter busy, or the PFS number got mangled? How many E-mails/PMs does it take to untangle that?

It's suuuper easy to self-report. I once bragged I could report a game in under 60 seconds; I was wrong, it took me 65. And with self-reporting, I get all the auto-filled information right away. Someone puts -2003 instead of -2004? I can just guess the number and have my suspicions confirmed by autofill in literally 1 second. Did someone give me the wrong faction on the signup sheet? I can go back in and change that in 5 seconds. Did someone forget they needed to expend a replay? I can note that immediately and reach out to them, instead of waiting for them to reach out to me.


GM Redelia wrote:
Registering your game with us one of those two ways (unless it's a convention game) is not just a nice thing, it's a requirement to recruit from this lodge.

While that's accurate, I find that people are way more amenable to doing something because it's a nice thing to do, and less amenable to doing something because it's mandatory.

Whenever I give a new player a PFS number, and they ask why they need one, I have two options.

(1) Tell them that it's mandatory.

(2) Tell them that I can't get credit for GMing unless I assign them a number.

While a lot of people question (1), wanting to know full scope of what they're agreeing to by taking a slip of paper, nobody has ever questioned (2). They'll shrug and take the little barcode I hand to them, because they couldn't care less about Paizo or OPF, but I'm a nice guy who just GMed for them.

Edit: Note that (2) is technically inaccurate - I can totally get GM credit without assigning them a number. It's still the better line.

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just a quick note to my tables -- I'm a bit under the weather ATM (weather's changing where I am and is the perfect time to get sick). I'm around but it's kinda hard to type while sneezing every 5 seconds! :)

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Speaking of which -- if we use the Cottonseed Lodge number and need to make a change, who do we 'talk' to?

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Watery Soup wrote:
Super Zero wrote:
Reporting to the lodge event is less work (you don't have to create an event)

Creating an event is trivial. You click a button and put in a name. I don't think you even need to put in a date.

The extra work comes in because reporting through a third party is necessarily inefficient - the person putting the data into the system is not the same person who is familiar with the game, so there's no chain of custody for the information. If people put in the wrong PFS number, or someone types in the wrong PFS number, or the reporter simply forgets to report, it's a problem to track everything down.

Or if the player copies someone's PFS info and forgets to change the info like I once did! :)


GM Tiger wrote:
Speaking of which -- if we use the Cottonseed Lodge number and need to make a change, who do we 'talk' to?

If you're a designated reporter I think you can fix it yourself.

What I'm wondering is how we're supposed to provide info if we're not a designated reporter on the event.


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Pirate Rob wrote:
GM Tiger wrote:
Speaking of which -- if we use the Cottonseed Lodge number and need to make a change, who do we 'talk' to?
If you're a designated reporter I think you can fix it yourself.

Correct. A designated reporter should be able to make the fixes.

Pirate Rob wrote:
What I'm wondering is how we're supposed to provide info if we're not a designated reporter on the event.

For Cottonseed Lodge games reported under other events numbers, the info that the VOs need must be provided in the Play By Forum Game Tracking form.


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Given the ability to report under the lodge event directly is the more guaranteed way to get someone to record a lodge session, i would think if the short campaign info is pressed for space then the event number is more important than the data tracking link.

And for clarity, if a GM reports under the lodge event they don't need to fill out the data tracking form since it is already captured in the lodge event?


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Lysle wrote:

ATTENTION COTTONSEED GMS!

If you wish to report your Pathfinder Society Second edition table recruited here at the Cottonseed Lodge under the Regional Support Program in 2025 (optional but recommended), please use the following Event Number:

#4921133

Reported Regional Support Program events for 2025 earn a 1.25x multiplier on Achievement Points for PFS2 tables.

Any GM who wishes to be added as reporter to the Cottonseed Lodge for 2025 to report their PbP tables, should please send a request via PM on the boards (preferred) or leave a post below.

Go ahead and add me as a reporter for Cottonseed Lodge for 2025.


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GM redeux wrote:
And for clarity, if a GM reports under the lodge event they don't need to fill out the data tracking form since it is already captured in the lodge event?

This is correct.


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GM Blake wrote:
Go ahead and add me as a reporter for Cottonseed Lodge for 2025.

Done.


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Watery Soup wrote:
Super Zero wrote:
Reporting to the lodge event is less work (you don't have to create an event)

Creating an event is trivial. You click a button and put in a name. I don't think you even need to put in a date.

The extra work comes in because reporting through a third party is necessarily inefficient - the person putting the data into the system is not the same person who is familiar with the game, so there's no chain of custody for the information. If people put in the wrong PFS number, or someone types in the wrong PFS number, or the reporter simply forgets to report, it's a problem to track everything down.

So, let's say, as in one of my current games, someone wants to get credit for their non-default faction. I, as the GM know that, and if I'm the reporter, I can just make sure to change the autofilled default. But if I pass it onto someone else, there's no guarantee it happens. And when it doesn't happen, the only option the player has is to contact the GM, who contacts ... ? And gets forwarded to ... ?

There is a huge amount of additional "paper"work created with third party reporting. Don't see your game show up after a day/week/month? Is it because someone forget to report, or is the reporter busy, or the PFS number got mangled? How many E-mails/PMs does it take to untangle that?

Neither of the option uses third party reporting. One option is you report to Paizo on a shared event. The other option is you report to Paizo on your own event, and also fill out our very brief form so we know about your game.


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GM redeux wrote:

Given the ability to report under the lodge event directly is the more guaranteed way to get someone to record a lodge session, i would think if the short campaign info is pressed for space then the event number is more important than the data tracking link.

And for clarity, if a GM reports under the lodge event they don't need to fill out the data tracking form since it is already captured in the lodge event?

To answer the second question first, you are correct that GMs either report to the shared event or they report to their own event and use the form. (to use the shared event and then fill out our form actually would be a bad thing, because if we don't notice, we would double count that game).

Returning to the first question, I do not think either way is any more 'guaranteed' than the other. And a GM who uses the shared event can look up that number in the long campaign description, can look it up on a previous chronicle sheet, or see it in their list of campaigns to report to. A GM who uses our form instead needs access to that link for every game.


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Watery Soup wrote:
GM Redelia wrote:
Registering your game with us one of those two ways (unless it's a convention game) is not just a nice thing, it's a requirement to recruit from this lodge.

While that's accurate, I find that people are way more amenable to doing something because it's a nice thing to do, and less amenable to doing something because it's mandatory.

Whenever I give a new player a PFS number, and they ask why they need one, I have two options.

(1) Tell them that it's mandatory.

(2) Tell them that I can't get credit for GMing unless I assign them a number.

While a lot of people question (1), wanting to know full scope of what they're agreeing to by taking a slip of paper, nobody has ever questioned (2). They'll shrug and take the little barcode I hand to them, because they couldn't care less about Paizo or OPF, but I'm a nice guy who just GMed for them.

Edit: Note that (2) is technically inaccurate - I can totally get GM credit without assigning them a number. It's still the better line.

It would be dishonest and manipulative to pretend this in optional until someone decides not to do it. That's also one of the easiest ways to generate a lot of ill will. One of the worst feelings in the world is when someone asks you to do something in a way that makes it feel optional, you choose not to do it, and then they tell you it's actually required. I'm not going to do that to this community; I have too much respect to everyone here to play such games.


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There is, however, a different visceral response to "should" versus "must" even though both words mean obligated to.

Silver Crusade

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I might have missed a few on the data tracking form. I better check my records.


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GM Redelia wrote:
GM redeux wrote:

Given the ability to report under the lodge event directly is the more guaranteed way to get someone to record a lodge session, i would think if the short campaign info is pressed for space then the event number is more important than the data tracking link.

And for clarity, if a GM reports under the lodge event they don't need to fill out the data tracking form since it is already captured in the lodge event?

[...] Returning to the first question, I do not think either way is any more 'guaranteed' than the other. And a GM who uses the shared event can look up that number in the long campaign description, can look it up on a previous chronicle sheet, or see it in their list of campaigns to report to. A GM who uses our form instead needs access to that link for every game.

Alright, I'll lay out my thinking then. The Data Tracking Link exists because Paizo isnt capable of updating their reporting system so that it can inherently track reporting for an individual lodge and/or region. It can only track the 'event'. So when VO's were asked to give numbers for their lodges and regions then they needed to count those games manually.

This means the Data Tracking Link exists to save VO's the time and effort of manually tracking games run in their lodge. That's understandable, but lets be honest, there is no way you can guarantee someone will fill that out. it is in addition to the reporting.

Now, you have a shared event that you can add GM's to. This is great as it allows GM's and their players bonus achievement points. Moreover, it will inherently remove the need to fill out the data tracking link. So yes, this makes it more guaranteed to get your numbers. It is baked in.

While I haven't GM'ed a PbP game here in 2 years or so, and I stepped down from being a VO last year, I still am an admin over at Cayden's Keg. We've been doing a shared event since our lodge started back in 2020. I am really excited to see the rest of the PbP region starting to take to this too as it gives bonuses to your GMs/players and gives better data.

And for this reason, IMO, you should be promoting the event number in the short bio if you think 3 lines is too much space. It is better for players(bonus AcP), better for GMs (bonus AcP, no additional step to fill out a separate form, more respectful of their time by not requiring clicks for info that should be easily accessible), and better for VOs/OPF (Better/more reliable data).

I know it may seem like a small thing, but given how the shared event benefits everyone involved while streamlining the process, I believe it deserves prominent placement in the short bio.


GM Redelia wrote:
It would be dishonest and manipulative to pretend this in optional until someone decides not to do it. That's also one of the easiest ways to generate a lot of ill will. One of the worst feelings in the world is when someone asks you to do something in a way that makes it feel optional, you choose not to do it, and then they tell you it's actually required. I'm not going to do that to this community; I have too much respect to everyone here to play such games.

I do agree that there are times where just bringing down the hammer up front makes it easier. For example, telling people that filing taxes is required. Or, telling people that safety glasses are required. Times when there are serious consequences for not doing something.

GMing a game is not one of those. The barrier for entry is high and the barrier for walking away is low.


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Watery Soup wrote:
GM Redelia wrote:
It would be dishonest and manipulative to pretend this in optional until someone decides not to do it. That's also one of the easiest ways to generate a lot of ill will. One of the worst feelings in the world is when someone asks you to do something in a way that makes it feel optional, you choose not to do it, and then they tell you it's actually required. I'm not going to do that to this community; I have too much respect to everyone here to play such games.

I do agree that there are times where just bringing down the hammer up front makes it easier. For example, telling people that filing taxes is required. Or, telling people that safety glasses are required. Times when there are serious consequences for not doing something.

GMing a game is not one of those. The barrier for entry is high and the barrier for walking away is low.

This lodge is part of Paizo Organized Play. In order to GM inPaizo Organized Play, adherence to certain rules is required. To GM in this lodge, adherence to our rule to use one of the two approved methods to let us know about the game is required.

I've tried to put this more nicely, but evidently that has led you to believe this is optional. We really hope to not have to do this, and are not looking for people who break the rules, but if we become aware that a GM refuses to adhere to the rule even after we remind them, that GM will not be permitted to GM from this lodge anymore. That is why I have been saying that this is a requirement, not just something a GM should do.


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