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Yeah it turns out you can't make dragon zombies because they've got too many HD. So when Tar-Baphon reanimated the victims of Omox's battle with Ozem's fleet, only the big corpses stayed at the bottom of the lake. History!Correct. Did you read the latest gameplay posts?Illia found a dragon skeleton. I get that. Maybe I'm confused, that's not Illia's original body somehow is it?
Tar-baphon lacks vision. Necromancy is not a cudgel. It is a scalpel. A giant, ungainly army of zombies is a waste of good corpses.
As a thought exercise awhile back I statted out a small mansion/tower as though I were a wizard. I'm going to review and consider some of the same tricks for Meredian's mansion. Plus add some more since she's less-than-good. I'll post it when it's ready.
Edit: Plus I'm a cleric also, so the exercise changes a bit.
To answer Dapper's question about what I'm going to do with a giant dragon corpse-
1) I'm a Dracolich. Taking over the corpses of dragons is literally what I was made to do.
2) If I want to do something else with the corpse, I just have to Ressurect it first and kill it again. That resets the timer death-timer. :)
So here's some options-
1) I retire Necromancer-Anaxian as a PC. He takes over Illia's old corpse and becomes an NPC, being on the Council of Colors full time and concentrating on developing the city. He'd be a powerful ally for the party, like Jiator and Adrexa. In his place, I'd create a new Axaxian to use the Pseudodragon body and run around with the group.
2) I keep necromancer-anaxian as a PC, but create another soul-copy out of the big dragon, which becomes an NPC. This is pretty muh the same as option 1, but would maintain the continuity of which Anaxian stays with the group.
3) I ressurect the dragon. It comes back to life locked in some serious chains and bindings to keep it helpless, and put the Graveknight's Armor on it. Over the course of a few months, the dragon slowly becomes the new Graveknight. It becomes an NPC. Anaxian makes a new Cohort out of the Underworld Dragon body.
4) This one's the same as 3, but in this version, Necromancer Anaxian takes over the Underworld dragon's body and makes a new cohort out of the pseudodragon body.
Anyone have any thoughts or preferences. Personally I'm partial to 3 or 4.
So here's some options-
1) I retire Necromancer-Anaxian as a PC. He takes over Illia's old corpse and becomes an NPC, being on the Council of Colors full time and concentrating on developing the city. He'd be a powerful ally for the party, like Jiator and Adrexa. In his place, I'd create a new Axaxian to use the Pseudodragon body and run around with the group.
2) I keep necromancer-anaxian as a PC, but create another soul-copy out of the big dragon, which becomes an NPC. This is pretty muh the same as option 1, but would maintain the continuity of which Anaxian stays with the group.
3) I ressurect the dragon. It comes back to life locked in some serious chains and bindings to keep it helpless, and put the Graveknight's Armor on it. Over the course of a few months, the dragon slowly becomes the new Graveknight. It becomes an NPC. Anaxian makes a new Cohort out of the Underworld Dragon body.
4) This one's the same as 3, but in this version, Necromancer Anaxian takes over the Underworld dragon's body and makes a new cohort out of the pseudodragon body.
Anyone have any thoughts or preferences. Personally I'm partial to 3 or 4.
I'd say make it as nasty as possible then turn it into an NPC that guards your horde. Keep it as secret as possible to use as a trump card later if needed. Probably let the council know, but otherwise keep him out of sight.
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That would definitely be Option 3 or 4.
A Collossal Graveknight Antipaladin Dragon would make one hell of a treasure guard. That woudl make a great purpose for the Armor's inteligent item stuff too. Very fitting with the dragony themes. Lazily guarding treasure is just about the most dragony thing there is.
Option 5- We retcon harpy cohort (who hasn't done anything), and Illia- has a cohort slot suddenly open. Find ways to nerf down an adult bronze dragon by 3 CR. (Feral Juju?)
And then suddenly Illia- gets in on the life in stereo game. And you'd get to find out what Illia- would be like as a Int 5 Huge dragon. :P
Except you generally can't turn a non-evil creature into a graveknight or lich.
I forget what our actual rules for Dracoliches were in this game, regarding cloning minds and things. If you were to possess an Adult Bronze Dragon statted as, say, a skeleton, that's not super broken; it's got too many HD to become a zombie RAW.
Also, Illia- may not want to see her old body become a duplicate of Anaxian's brain, so reviving it as a fun, gigantic skeletal pet may be the best option.
We've got access to Desecrate don't we? The adult bronze dragon is 16 HD, as I understand it. A CL 8 Create Undead within a desecrate would be sufficient to the task, wouldn't it?
We've got access to Desecrate don't we? The adult bronze dragon is 16 HD, as I understand it. A CL 8 Create Undead within a desecrate would be sufficient to the task, wouldn't it?
I'm a cleric. Its fine. I forget sometimes too.
Oh! 3.5 had a rule against zombies over 20 HD. Apparently PF *doesn't*?
Even so, an adult bronze dragon is 16 HD.
I forget what our actual rules for Dracoliches were in this game, regarding cloning minds and things. If you were to possess an Adult Bronze Dragon statted as, say, a skeleton, that's not super broken; it's got too many HD to become a zombie RAW.
It's basically this-
Rejuvenation (Su)
When a lich is destroyed, its phylactery (which is generally hidden by the lich in a safe place far from where it chooses to dwell) immediately begins to rebuild the undead spellcaster's body nearby. This process takes 1d10 days—if the body is destroyed before that time passes, the phylactery merely starts the process anew. After this time passes, the lich wakens fully healed (albeit without any gear it left behind on its old body), usually with a burning need for revenge against those who previously destroyed it.
With the difference of- Dracoliches can't make their bodies out of nothing. They have to have an existing corpse.
When the rejuvenation period is over, the new corpse becomes their body, exactly as if that dragon had the Dracolich template.
If a dracolich's body is destroyed, it generally doesn't get to be used again, though some restorative magics might be able to fix it (like, say, 65 castings of Restore Corpse).
If Illia wants her old body as a Cohort, that's fine with me as a player and I'll try to help make it happen.
However, Anaxian really won't stand for a draconic undead around that isn't him. He's kinda touchy on that particular subject. Convincing him will be difficult.
Got it.
If a dracolich's body is destroyed, it generally doesn't get to be used again, though some restorative magics might be able to fix it (like, say, 65 castings of Restore Corpse).
Except this doesn't work on a destroyed undead body; best RAW I can find would suggest that requires Limited Wish.
Destroyed undead bodies don't disintegrate. They just become corpses again. (unless they're killed by positive energy or something that actually does destroy the body)
Restore Corpse doesn't work on the undead. When an undead is destroyed it isn't undead anymore. It's just dead. Then the corpse is restorable.
Do you see it differently?
"A destroyed skeleton or zombie can't be animated again." You can probably restore a former body of yours to work again, but that's as a lich, and they're supposed to regenerate.
Hmm. I actually hadn't noticed that. So much for undead recycling.
Edit: Looking at it a little deeper, that rule is specific to skeletons and zombies. It isn't part of the Undead Traits, or any other kind of physical undead that I can think of.
Guess skeletons and zombies aren't reusable.
Dapper: FYI: As a side quest I'm planning on researching and ransacking a merchant ship. Just wanted to give you a heads up to start thinking about that.
I just need to figure out where and how to do so.
Yep. Intelligent Undead can be re-created, but they also possess some autonomy.
This is a reminder to Drisquar to make an economy roll when he has the opportunity.
Opps! On it! We don't need any other roll, right? All other aspects are good? If so, I'll again add Jiator and my bonus to Economy:
divided by 3 is 23 BP.
Also, Dapper, Dris began his journey to Taldor. Would be kinda fun if he ran into an encounter or two lol.
Err, at 120 mph, you're literally a cat 3 hurricane. Drisquar may *literally* run into encounters, but this will probably result in bugbears and goblins being flung into trees and off of cliffs.
Treasury updated.
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Err, at 120 mph, you're literally a cat 3 hurricane. Drisquar may *literally* run into encounters, but this will probably result in bugbears and goblins being flung into trees and off of cliffs.
Treasury updated.
Freedom of movement. He doesn't cause drag. He's a very isolated cat 3 :-)
His defense is the same as the SR71. By the time they know he's there, he's not.
Cmon, let's go destroy a drow house. Show our strength. Steal stuff. You know, a typical Saturday.
I don't have a problem with the idea. I think we shouldn't go in blind though.
Much dragon wow.
As soon as we got here and I built my Lair I had pretty much everything I needed so I figured it would be best to let everyone else be in the driver's seat regarding how the city got built and what diplomatic angles we wanted to pursue.
I'd been mostly doing legend lore and being available to lend a hand to the rest of you for projects and stuff. After seeing the kinds of things you all had planned and the direction you were pushing the city, I decided it was time to start being more active.
There's a lot of me to go around, so when I want to, I can get a lot done. :)
Sorry, guys... having a bit of an emotional catharsis week. (I had the conversation with my ex that I've been avoiding for five months, where I finally just said "look, you never actually gave me a reason for ending a three year relationship, and I need to know that if I'm going to make my next one work better"). So I might be alternating between posting manically and being too despondent to check paizo over the next few days, etc.
This too shall pass. Hang in there.
I just had an idea for a magic item. It's a pair of thin flat stones that fold in on themselves. When unfolded they can create and maintain an effect identical to sending. I'm going to call it a RAAZR.
Yes, it's a magic cell phone. What of it?
Printed out a Macrabe Mansion map and am working on adding Meredian's touches to it. I'll have to work on loading a digital copy somehow.
@Inubrix: Sorry I haven't found more for you to do in the downtime. Hopefully, we can change this soon (after month 3, the party will be going on *some* sort of quest, and might come back with enough resources to start crafting constructs or something).
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Also: guys, I've made up basically none of this world stuff. Golarion is crazy! It's just that nobody ever actually goes to the city of Shraen or the fleshpits of Nemret Noktoria or the Feasting Hall of High Ilvarandin or the fungal jungles beneath Jalmeray, etc.
It's alright i figure i'll do something eventually
It's alright i figure i'll do something eventually
If I ever ransack a ship I was planning on bringing you with me. You know, for the murdering.
Huh. They do sound a little full of themselves.
Er... the Duergar of Nar-Voth are full of themselves. The great Drow houses of Sekamina are far worse, but the Neothelids and Intellect Devourers of Ilvarandin put them to shame. And still, as far as I can tell, none of that compares to the priesthood of Nemret Noktoria.
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So... yeah, there's not a whole lot to Drisquar's story. According to rng, he was a Duergar warrior who lost an arm and leg in battle, discovered alcohol, and migrated to the surface to become a cleric of Cayden/build a tavern.
I guess that story's also been found out, more or less, through any questions he might have.
Almost forgot: I'm going it make a prayer bead that increases caster level for a few minutes a day. I'll be using it for permanency effects and such.
Mechanics question:
1)can you cast something from a scroll then make it permanent?
2) same as #1, but the scroll spell level is higher than you can normally cast. However, you do have the requisite caster levels otherwise during the castings.
Yeah, UMD>scroll>permanency is a pretty common trick.
Yeah, UMD>scroll>permanency is a pretty common trick.
In this case I won't need UMD, but same idea.
So... month 3 is the last month I have city plot currently planned out for. At the end of the month, you'll also have finished crafting your WBL 14 equipment.
What do people want to do next? We've got three options, as I see it, for the party to decide between:
1. The actual campaign plot: find another one of the liches from the council of colors
2. Just keep doing city building until an actual crisis arises, through diplomacy or chance
3. Go on a murder spree. Take out a Neothelid fortress or House Shraen or pillage some other city for no reason.
Murder spree for fun and profit is my vote. Murdering some neolithids seems like a politically safe bet
Illia-'d rather move on with the plot. She'd rather have one or two more level 20s guarding the home front before angering mythic people.
Illia-'d rather move on with the plot. She'd rather have one or two more level 20s guarding the home front before angering mythic people.
Heh heh. Jiator's only level 17. Sir John is level 12!
...still doesn't hurt, of course. Each of the story-liches will also confer something unique and helpful. (Jiator came with a ton of lyres, you'll need *a* high-level druid to construct underground farms, etc).
Basically, I originally had an 8-quest plot for this campaign (you've done 3/8 main plot quests). Then I played Kingmaker and went "hmmmm"
Sir John used to be a bit stronger till he was statted as a PC, methinks. :P
See what theyll give us for taking care of Shraen since it was already on our calendar
I'm up for a mix of all three, but definitely want to move plot forward.
There's a few bits of business left to do based on the things we've talked about in game
Illia's dragon body
steal from a boat
finish anaxian's phylactery with Jiator
I would like to have those things completed before we move on with the plot, mostly so they aren't forgotten
Thinkin about giving Shimsil Spiritual Weapon as a 3/day SLA.
1) Would that be ok? Figure its a good way to allow Dris to attack at range without needing to use his bow.
2) The weapon he would summon would be a greatsword, which is the favored weapon of Szuriel, the Horseman of War.