One final note, on the secret doors.
Kol's room was set up so one and only one man could get at a 600 lb box at a time. The maximum staggering lift capacity of Kol was 600 lbs. He reinforced the floors so he could Rage, pick up crate A, turn around, drop it on the reinforced floor (thus the dents and gouges), then repeat with crate two. This blocked off access to the doors from his own gang.
It would have required STR 18 to do this, and allowed access to the secret doors in under a minute, as opposed to the 30-40 minutes to tear the crates apart, jerk the lead out a small box at a time, and carry it around. This was intentional on his part, as he wanted to be able to know if anyone had gotten access.
The sealed door for the bodies, he had reinforced enough to move them aside, to let multiple people into the abattoir.
As somebody who is both a fan of, and also studied the Mafia and organized crime in general, OOC I totally knew what was going on with the locales, but IC, Elrohir has no idea what just happened.
Sucks about losing the hideout as a potential base though. I'm always fond of such things.
As appreciative as I am for complex plots and the possibility of having a potential base, I will agree with mdt and say we did Part A right and Part B terrible.
As far as being a team goes, boy, do we have a tough road to travel. No Rogue, no Diplomacy, and we run out of points too soon. I've got a lot of work to do with Connor.
Part of it is, you all did part A great because you all really made combat people.
Which left you in a lurch with part B.
On the bright side, you should all be thinking about avancement, when we do the FF thing, everyone goes up to 2nd.
Yeah, part A went fine. Part B had a few screw-ups, as was summed up pretty readily by mdt in his "explanation" post.
In regards to leveling up, are there any things in particular that you do differently? House rules for HP, that sort of thing?
Also: I'm not entirely sure where to go from here. From the start, I'd intended to MC into Aegis, but I don't know whether to do it now at 2 or next level at 3. I'm thinking now at 2, to get it in fairly early. For that matter, regarding Aegis, would you consider a 3rd party Homebew "Light Armor" astral armor? The written choices are Unarmored, Medium Armor, and Heavy armor, but there was a homebrew version written up that, if I remember correctly, one of the founders had input on.
Hooray! Getting that 2nd level. I'll wait until you say "go".
I'm also an active-reactive team player who metagames skills at the gaming table. I.e., nobody takes Rogue skills, then my character is going to pick up some Rogue skills like Disable Device as well as any magical (or in this case psionic) powers to fill the slot. Just because so many adventure paths are written for a standard cast of characters with an assumed list of standard spells, and TPKs are made of ignoring that preconception.
mdt, I really do appreciate you "explaining everything", even when you don't have to. And you said you wouldn't do it again. Don't blame the players for low INT. :) We're just going to have to get better, that's all. It's not like we can pick up the Campaign Setting or Guide to Atalantia and make up for not actually living there for several years. ;)
During down time you can use the down time rules (although limits on that based on situation, ie: No opening a business while wanted, etc).
You can continue on your current class, multi, or retrain.
No special rules on HP etc. You can either get rolled HD, or average for die, your choice. But once made, you do that for future levels.
Hooray! Getting that 2nd level. I'll wait until you say "go".
I'm also an active-reactive team player who metagames skills at the gaming table. I.e., nobody takes Rogue skills, then my character is going to pick up some Rogue skills like Disable Device as well as any magical (or in this case psionic) powers to fill the slot. Just because so many adventure paths are written for a standard cast of characters with an assumed list of standard spells, and TPKs are made of ignoring that preconception.
mdt, I really do appreciate you "explaining everything", even when you don't have to. And you said you wouldn't do it again. Don't blame the players for low INT. :) We're just going to have to get better, that's all. It's not like we can pick up the Campaign Setting or Guide to Atalantia and make up for not actually living there for several years. ;)
If I'm not mistaken, Reaghar said that he was going to be picking up some Disable Device upon level-up.
Also, I've realized that this level-up period of time is the perfect opportunity for Alister to learn how to read! Taking a level in any other class than barbarian gives you literacy, so this-
Huh. They took out illiteracy. How have I never seen this? I don't really know. Whatever, I guess. Alister's not needed to read yet, anyway, so it's not all that important.
I could've sworn Barbarians were illiterate, but I guess that might've been a 3.5e holdover houserule or something that was used in one of my groups. No idea.
During down time you can use the down time rules (although limits on that based on situation, ie: No opening a business while wanted, etc).
You can continue on your current class, multi, or retrain.
No special rules on HP etc. You can either get rolled HD, or average for die, your choice. But once made, you do that for future levels.
Down time rules are neat, I've not really used that much of them.
Multi-classing it is.
That's a tough decision. Rolling crap for HD hurts a lot more than rolling well helps, though. I'll think about it, but I'll probably end up rolling.
That's what down time retraining of HP are for.
I suppose. I forgot you could do that. Takes 3 days per hit point, which is a decent bit of time, though.
Any word on the Astral Hauberk?
Hmm,
I guess it would be ok. Doesn't look overpowered...
Alright, thank you. It's not a huge thing, but I do remember not liking that there was a real light armor option. You can just use regular armor with the Skin type, but I don't like that nearly as much.
Would you also be open to allowing the Crystal Warrior archetype, from Psionics Augmented? I've sent you the archetype write-up.
Yes, that's fine. I should have that soon, they're supposed to be putting out the new Psiconics Revised book which includes all the supplements and new stuff. Did the preorder, so I get the PDF.
Excellent, thank you very much. I'll make an updated version of Alister (sans HP calculations at this point), but I won't upload it until we've actually leveled up.
Actually, I'll just roll now, as long as that's alright with you. For w/e reason, I'm having issues editing on my phone, so sorry for the doubleposting.
No problem, and no double posting.
During down time you can use the down time rules (although limits on that based on situation, ie: No opening a business while wanted, etc).
You can continue on your current class, multi, or retrain.
No special rules on HP etc. You can either get rolled HD, or average for die, your choice. But once made, you do that for future levels.
Given Connor's luck with the die (i.e., terrible), he will take the average each level + CON. Psions aren't meant to be meatshields, anyway.
No reason to change class or retrain. Psion (Shaper) with Psicrystal Imprinter will make Connor the psionic equivalent of a specialist wizard with spell mastery. A very small spellbook, granted, but still with more than the usual powers.
Hey Sammark, Selvan appears to be busy and incommunicado (hopefully he's not still upset).
Anyway, did you intentionally not send a message to the dead drops in your post, or was it just a case of player memory omission?
Not upset really just busy sorry. I'll post as soon as I'm able. Just a lot to do this month between RPG superstar, personal projects, and the holidays.
No problem. :) Just as long as someone posts a dead drop note, I can fast forward the game and everyone can level up. :)
Just to give you guys a headsup, I'll not be available tomorrow, as I'm going abroad for a couple days, but I should be available for the daily post while I'm out.
Good luck with the travel! I've done London, Singapore, and Hong Kong. I was always wiped out after the flights. I hate taking off at 9AM on Saturday, flying for 30 hours, and landing at 10PM the same day. :)
yeah, i once had to go to japan and back round trip twice in two weeks. THAT sucked.
i have found that drinking at the airport and then some more in the plane does wonders to get the body on the right sleep schedule.
Yeah, let me tell a story.
Everyone remember that big de Lahoya/Maywether fight back in 2007? I was flying back from London the week before it. The Friday before it to be exact.
Our plane was supposed to leave Heathrow, but that flight got canceled, and we got shipped down by train to Gatwick to take another flight. A LOT of people were flying to that fight, in fact, there was like 20 of them in the tail section. I was sitting at an exit row seat in the tail section of a 737 (very nice seat! No seats in front of me at all, and the bulkhead was 6 feet in front of me. And nobody in the seat next to me!).
The big problem was the fight fans. Our Gatwick plane left 4 hours late, and they'd been drinking at the bar in Heathrow all afternoon, then at the Gatwick bar, then on the plane. They were singing fight songs and basically being obnoxious for the first 5 hours of the flight. The flight crew cut them off, and someone broke out their duty free vodka and bourbon and passed it around.
Finally, about 8 hours into the 12 hour flight, they all went to sleep (drunks do sleep finally). One guy, about 3 rows back and on the opposite side of the aisle from me got up to go to the bathroom. Saved his sanity. The drunk sitting next to him, while passed out, started throwing up. He threw up in the empty seat, on himself, on the floor. The guy on the otherside managed to point him at the empty seat and himself so he avoided it. The guy who lost his seat ended up moving to an empty exit row seat on the opposite side from me as compensation.
When we landed, the upchucker STILL hadn't woke up, one of the flight crew had to dig his vomit encrusted seatbelt out and buckle him in.
I heard the flight crew talking, and they had already called ahead, and canceled his connecting flight, and his return ticket, for violating his flight terms.
So, no connecting ticket, no entry to the US, and he was british with a passport. When I asked, I was told he'd have to buy another ticket back to the UK, and then come back over again, he couldn't buy a ticket in the US, he had to have a connecting flight on arrival.
Round trip ticket to Las Vegas : $1500
3 Nights at a Hotel in Vegas : $3500
Tickets to the La Hoya/Maywheather fight : $4000
Return one-way ticket to London : $1000
Throwing away all that money because you got drunk on the way over : Priceless...
Reaghar,
I'd actually prefer it if people didn't go back and reread before giving their accounts. It's much more realistic if human memory faults creep in and each tale is slightly off from what happened. :)
hah, i definitely dont get THAT drunk on a plane. if i get bored, i get sleepy. bored sleepy plus drunk sleepy means i go to sleep before i can drink enough to get really drunk.
plus, i mean common sense. I am out of my crazy party phase. i haven't thrown up just from drinking in years.
now, throwing up from eating sketchy street food in korea; food that seemed like a very good idea while intoxicated, might be a different story. hahahahaa
Oh Selvan. Always the soldier.
And there we go. A solution to make everyone happy.
EDIT: Or you can call the shouty angry lady everyone is deferring to miss raggy pants. That will go over well.
Yea, except for Elrohir, who hasn't done anything wrong, yet apparently is to be arrested...
Yea, except for Elrohir, who hasn't done anything wrong, yet apparently is to be arrested...
Actually the layman's term is "disappeared". The point of that entire back and forth was acknowledgement that you didn't do anything wrong but it also doesn't matter. Blame your friends for dragging you along rather than shooing you away. :P
*rolls his craft bullcrap check*
Really am throwing Elrohir a big "stay in the party and consequently out of jail" card here.
As far as being a team goes, boy, do we have a tough road to travel. No Rogue, no Diplomacy, and we run out of points too soon. I've got a lot of work to do with Connor.
Having no rogue is hardly a bad thing. And we do have diplomacy. The issue here is if you haven't noticed those who have it can't roll worth anything and more if you haven't notice MDT tends to puts much more weight on what is said rather than how you roll.
It's not what you say when you post TarkXT. If you're referring to Volkragga. Diplomacy is just not an absolute begin and end all.
For example, you can roll a 60 on a diplomacy check to talk a farmer into letting you barbeque his 12yo daughter, this does not mean you get him to agree to it. What it likely means is that he will laugh it off nervously and consider it a bad joke.
In the situation you had, you didn't really roll that well, and then spoiled it by something you said afterwards. For example, it's a bit like saying how nice the house's decore is to the wife of the house, and then commenting while she's still in ear shot on how ugly her baby is. The second comment wipes out anything you had from the first thing.
Actually the layman's term is "disappeared". The point of that entire back and forth was acknowledgement that you didn't do anything wrong but it also doesn't matter. Blame your friends for dragging you along rather than shooing you away. :PYea, except for Elrohir, who hasn't done anything wrong, yet apparently is to be arrested...
Connor tried real hard to shoo him away. Players-at-the-table wise, it didn't work. :) Now Elrohir has been dragged in of his own accord, in my opinion. Welcome to the undercover squad.
Sigh. I'm not within the 5-foot splash range of Elrohir's soon-to-be-dispersed parts, am I?
Sigh. I'm not within the 5-foot splash range of Elrohir's soon-to-be-dispersed parts, am I?
Yes, you are, but fortunately for you, Mirandi decided to enjoy decking him, rather than letting her monk husband kick his sternum through his spine.
I'm not trying to play 'GM Abusing Players' but god, you don't call someone a 2 dollar hooker to their face when they have the power to send you to gitmo with no oversight...
If you want to leave Elrohir, that's your choice.
I am not trying to be a jerk about this, but, I try to play my NPCs as real people. Would Elrohir want to try to help the NPCs if the situation were reversed and someone insulted him every pose and insulted him with every other word?
You have to understand where he's coming from. He broke no law, did nothing wrong, and is being threatened with imprisonment, all because Mirandi lost her cool and revealed senestive info in front of a non "soldier".
Which was never acknowledged, after he pointed it out several times. She's the one who screwed up, not him.
Actually, she did acknowledge it was not your fault, and she also apologized, although maybe that didn't quite make it through the way I intended.
Mirandi rolls her eyes. "Oh shut up about her, if you'd let me blow her brains out on the Dawnflower, you wouldn't have to deal with her today." She turns back to Elrohir, and nods. "I'm sure you did, Elrohir was it? I have no joy in this, but what you have heard today, , is classified. Just knowing it requires me to arrest you and put you in an isolated place so you can't tell anyone."
Well, up to Elrohir now. Let us know one way or the other if your staying or not.
Holy crap. So many posts. That'll teach me to not at least check on my phone. Sorry about not being here, I spent a lot of time trying to get a job yesterday. In a real pinch at the moment, which makes it kind of vital, but very few places around here are hiring.
In any case, holy crap.
Oh yeah, Alister, revelations and the two teams are together now and drama to boot. All in less than 12 hours.
So I saw. That's quite a bit of posting for this group. Not that it's normally slow, just that this little bout was significantly faster.
A bit of drama, a bit of Selvans martyr complex, and a bit of attempting to work the twisted system into salavaging Elrohir's life (Selvan's not a badguy he just catches a lot of crap) and Elrohir making things worse for himself when the light at the end of the tunnel is shown.
Hmm, always the way. The parents go out of the room, and the naughty children all sit and stare at their toes and hope they don't get punished. :)
I'm actually waiting for Alys. Otherwise, I'd be talking with Team Mintakia non-stop.
mdt, I really do appreciate you "explaining everything", even when you don't have to. And you said you wouldn't do it again. Don't blame the players for low INT. :) We're just going to have to get better, that's all. It's not like we can pick up the Campaign Setting or Guide to Atalantia and make up for not actually living there for several years. ;)
Sorry, not sure how I missed this the first time through.
When I say I won't explain, I mean the NPCs thought processes or the reasons I set the plot up a certain way.
You can ALWAYS ask questions about Atalantia, ALWAYS. Even in the middle of combat if there's something you want the answer to, ASK. Ask in Discussion. I'll wax philosophical about things that are common knowledge. Now, if you want to know who the Potentate is seeing behind his wife's back,that's specifics you'd need to find out in game. But world, culture, etc, ask away.
I'm actually waiting for Alys. Otherwise, I'd be talking with Team Mintakia non-stop.
Oh, I know. :) Just giving OOC grief to pass the time. :)