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Because I cannot wait until August to find out the answers, I wanted to speculate and question the details of the Gap. An undisclosed period of time where the entire universe has amnesia and something went down. While I won't debate what happened (yet), I wonder what the initial events following the Gap were.

For instance, was the Gap a total and complete amnesiac event? Did people forget their spouses, their jobs, even their names? Did entire political landscape have to be rewritten right then and there because no one could remember what it was like before? Is it possible that some person awoke to find themselves Kings because their clothes were the best in the group? Did wizards (technomagi) have to learn spells from scratch, scientist rediscover the laws of the universe and more? Were languages suddenly forgotten?

Or did people still have a vague idea? Maybe they knew how to fly a ship but no knowledge of when they learned. A dozen alien languages rattling in their heads. A connection to the person in the room with them.

Or is it just a loss of history. Full knowledge of their skills, capabilities and relations but a total lack of knowledge how they arrived in their current situation?


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Nope, can't say I shop at The Gap.


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I believe that the gap was a targeted though massive scale effect that specifically erased something from the multiverse. i expect that to be some kind of super show down of the gods, remember that Golarion is gone and Golarion is at its heart a prison for something the gods themselves weren't able to kill. So the entire period of the gap is likely the events that lead up to the prison breaking and the conflict to save existence from non-existance and either to stop it from happening again it was erased or because they pulled some godly shenanigans to hide the evil away or pocket universe everything else to save it. Either way, i think the Gap is targeted to specific events and times. You would wake up the next day after the Gap and know who you are and when your birthday is and all the skills you knew but maybe not how you learned the skills, the battles you fought to earn those scars, that kind of thing. what interests me is the idea of things like a diary, are there logs out there from go from "June 8, 1237" and then the next entry is "January 3rd, 39,886"? How are pre-gap artifacts handled? i could see there being a huge market for ancient antiquities like that.

Think about how massive the collapse would have been universe wide if people forgot everything they knew their whole lives, no knowledge of relations, no skills, no nothing. Almost everyone would die in short order because they would have to literally re-invent the wheel while working within the ruins of cities and villages that relied on a complex infrastructure to keep basic necessities flowing.


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I had a great theory I developed before I fell asleep last night but, ironically, I seem to be experiencing a bit of a gap myself.


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Archmage Variel wrote:
I had a great theory I developed before I fell asleep last night but, ironically, I seem to be experiencing a bit of a gap myself.

The Gap is the result of Good getting the ultimate triumph over Evil and the final defeat of Rovagug but in the ensuing all century long victory party (insisted upon by Cayden Cailean) the universe suffered a collective black out and cant remember what happened. coincidentally the first few decades after the Gap progressed like a much more epic retelling of "Dude, where's my car?"


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Torbyne wrote:
Think about how massive the collapse would have been universe wide if people forgot everything they knew their whole lives, no knowledge of relations, no skills, no nothing. Almost everyone would die in short order because they would have to literally re-invent the wheel while working within the ruins of cities and villages that relied on a complex infrastructure to keep basic necessities flowing.

If the Gap was an act of the gods, they would not necessarily have to impose it exactly at the end of the period about which they wish to suppress information -- especially if they were able to arrange things so that very few people were obsessed with events during that period. For example, they could wait until 50 or so years after the end of the time period that they want to suppress and then wipe out all memory and records from 350 to 50 years ago. The only people who would lose their sanity and ability to function would be scholars who obsessively studied some part of that period of time -- most other people over the age of 50 would just have annoying gaps in their memories.

As to why they would do that -- Maybe certain events occurred that it was important that mortals not know about. Initially, few did, so they only had to wipe the memories of the handful of mortals who stumbled onto the truth. Unfortunately, at some point some seemingly innocuous bits of information become common knowledge -- but once these bits of information are put together, it is all too easy to piece together whatever it is that humanity was not meant to know. Nothing short of the Gap can put the genie back in the bottle at that point.


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I just had a thought about what the gods might have wanted to suppress: The invention of time travel. It is safe to assume that time travel is not a thing in Starfinder, as it would mess up a lot of things and enable mortals to do things that even the gods cannot do. Ensuring that time travel can never be invented would be a very high priority for the gods of this setting.


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The Castrovel Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible...


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Matthew Shelton wrote:
The Castrovel Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible...

The time of the Gap starts and ends at the boundary of a time loop. As one travels throughout reality fluctuations in the laws of physics and magic cause time abberations in regional time flows and thus the differences in time knowledge in the gap. The loop was caused by a group of Rovagug cultists and culminated with the annihilation of existence as we know it.

The gods are mostly outside time due to their natures and as such realized that with the destruction of existence they would have no worshipers to continue to validate their existence and as such they themselves WOULD cease to exist despite not being affected by time itself.

Together the gods constructed a divine machine that needed an eternal power source so they broke open Rovagug's prison (destroying Golarion) long enough to shackle him to the divine device which then put the missing years into a sort of stasis slightly out of phase with the normal universe a moment before the final act that would have destroyed all of existence, sealing it with a knowledge lock.

That lock went reality wide. Should any non divine entity ever actually find out the reason for the need for Gap, the knowledge would then open the lock (which is manifested in reality as Absalom Station), releasing not only Rovagug from the machine but allowing the final act of existence to happen and the universe to be annihilated.


There was an anime movie I really liked called "A Wind Named Amnesia" I would like to think that something similar happened to Golarion.

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Well, now that the book's out we've got a bit more information.
* It's several thousand years long. (I thought I read 3000 somewhere, but can't find it now)
* It's got fuzzy boarders to it by a few hundred years.
* It was bad news all around for years after it "finished".

(The tricky one)
* It might start only a few centuries from pathfinder "now". It references that Absalom Reckoning was used for "nearly 5 millennia". As it is currently 4717, that leaves two options. Either The Gap starts in less than 300 years, or some OTHER event happens in about 300 years that resets the calendar. If the latter is the case, we still have no benchmark for when the Gap starts, but it certainly heralds something major happening.


Gilfalas wrote:
Matthew Shelton wrote:
The Castrovel Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible...

The time of the Gap starts and ends at the boundary of a time loop. As one travels throughout reality fluctuations in the laws of physics and magic cause time abberations in regional time flows and thus the differences in time knowledge in the gap. The loop was caused by a group of Rovagug cultists and culminated with the annihilation of existence as we know it.

The gods are mostly outside time due to their natures and as such realized that with the destruction of existence they would have no worshipers to continue to validate their existence and as such they themselves WOULD cease to exist despite not being affected by time itself.

Together the gods constructed a divine machine that needed an eternal power source so they broke open Rovagug's prison (destroying Golarion) long enough to shackle him to the divine device which then put the missing years into a sort of stasis slightly out of phase with the normal universe a moment before the final act that would have destroyed all of existence, sealing it with a knowledge lock.

That lock went reality wide. Should any non divine entity ever actually find out the reason for the need for Gap, the knowledge would then open the lock (which is manifested in reality as Absalom Station), releasing not only Rovagug from the machine but allowing the final act of existence to happen and the universe to be annihilated.

I really like this. It hurts my brain a little but I like it. But it is said that Torag is now watching over or standing guard over golarian as if were going to be given back or something is coming to find that planet. Like WHY Torag? Why the Dwarven god? Why didn't more stay? Iomedae Who grew up there, or someone like that? He is the god of protection so I am not surprised. Just a few thoughts that I thought of.

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Haven't heard anything from Erastil. Wouldn't be surprised if he stayed behind to keep people off his lawn. On the other hand, I could see him being popular with small colonies.


I suspect it has something to do with the Aboleths.


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I wonder what the Gap looked like?

I mean, assuming that the speed of light works the same as in our universe (and it does mention "light speed"), then it should be possible to build a large telescope array about 300 light years away from the Pact Worlds system and watch as Golarion vanishes.


I wonder if it wasn't just a way for the creators (who I love) to go ahead and just say 'yeah i'm not writing 4000 years of history here and we can release more on it later'? My money is on aboleths and other aberrations. I wonder too if it doesn't wind up having something to do with magic returning to the mana wastes and those star portals up in the north west of Golarion?

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thistledown wrote:


* It might start only a few centuries from pathfinder "now". It references that Absalom Reckoning was used for "nearly 5 millennia". As it is currently 4717, that leaves two options. Either The Gap starts in less than 300 years, or some OTHER event happens in about 300 years that resets the calendar. If the latter is the case, we still have no benchmark for when the Gap starts, but it certainly heralds something major happening.

On the scale of 5 millennia 4500 years is "nearly."

My personal pet theory is that the Gap perfectly corresponds with the period that prophecy stops working, and that both are caused by the same thing. Notice in the book that Pharasma is still listed as the god of prophecy, but nowhere does it mention that prophecy doesn't work. Maybe that's because to the records of SF it never stopped working. (Cause no one can remember that time period)

That is to say all of Pathfinder is during the Gap.

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Kyron "Death Knell" Shess wrote:
thistledown wrote:


* It might start only a few centuries from pathfinder "now". It references that Absalom Reckoning was used for "nearly 5 millennia". As it is currently 4717, that leaves two options. Either The Gap starts in less than 300 years, or some OTHER event happens in about 300 years that resets the calendar. If the latter is the case, we still have no benchmark for when the Gap starts, but it certainly heralds something major happening.

On the scale of 5 millennia 4500 years is "nearly."

My personal pet theory is that the Gap perfectly corresponds with the period that prophecy stops working, and that both are caused by the same thing. Notice in the book that Pharasma is still listed as the god of prophecy, but nowhere does it mention that prophecy doesn't work. Maybe that's because to the records of SF it never stopped working. (Cause no one can remember that time period)

That is to say all of Pathfinder is during the Gap.

Hmm. I like where you're going with this.


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I guess what we need is the latest AR date that is known in the Starfinder era -- we could conclude that the Gap began soon after that date. Note that there are vague legends about various undated events during the Gap, so an exact known date is important for this purpose.

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David knott 242 wrote:

I guess what we need is the latest AR date that is known in the Starfinder era -- we could conclude that the Gap began soon after that date. Note that there are vague legends about various undated events during the Gap, so an exact known date is important for this purpose.

Unfortunately that doesn't work as the Gap is known to have started/ended at different times in different places and to have skipped certain times. Which could mean that


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It would tell us when the Gap started on Golarion, though.


What if the Gap started because of out of control Drift usage, and so to forestall the omnipocalypse the God's universally sanctioned the erasure of the history of Drift usage, then used The Starstone to Stabilize the Drift. Absalom Station was built around it to ensure a flow of souls through it to power the stabilizing effect (it's like a watermill). 3 years later, the Drift is safe to use freely, so Triune "emerges" and "invents" Drift engines, and surreptitiously monitors and adjusts Drift engine usage. The intensity of the drift beacon of Absalom Station is intentional: it makes the perfect hub for interstellar civilization, therefore residents therefore deaths therefore power to the Starstone Stabilizer.

But that's just a theory.


Still reading the CRB, so I haven't formulated a theory yet, but in general, I suspect this is going to be Starfinder's version of Aroden: lots of speculation, but never an official word from Paizo on what happened.


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The Gap started because an upstart wizard accidentally started a fire in the library of the Akashic Record.


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Jürgen Hubert wrote:

I wonder what the Gap looked like?

I mean, assuming that the speed of light works the same as in our universe (and it does mention "light speed"), then it should be possible to build a large telescope array about 300 light years away from the Pact Worlds system and watch as Golarion vanishes.

good call on this one!

That reminds me of a scene in the Starship's Mage series of books. (Good read btw)


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Jürgen Hubert wrote:

I wonder what the Gap looked like?

I mean, assuming that the speed of light works the same as in our universe (and it does mention "light speed"), then it should be possible to build a large telescope array about 300 light years away from the Pact Worlds system and watch as Golarion vanishes.

We know the gap ended about 300 years ago, but we actually don't know when Golarion vanished. So it could have vanished 1300 years ago. The Gap affects actual written and recorded information, so I could see a "glitch in the light" or the telescope if you tried to pull that particular idea.

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