If I go stand in the street and try to sell my belt, I may have to stand for hours and then get maybe 4 bucks if it's a good belt. That doesn't mean I can go to a belt shop and buy a good belt for 4 bucks, that's more like 15-20 bucks.
If that's the case, why do I have to pay exorbitant amounts if I need/want a spell cast?This economic argument simply doesn't make sense. Either there's enough demand out there already that I can sell my services at the listed "market rate" without saturating it, or there isn't enough demand and I can pick up spells cheaply from the wizards who are desperate to offload them.
But we're not talking about an attempted one-off sale. In fact, that's the usual argument for why an adventurer can only get half price for a factory-new wand, because he isn't in a position to set up a wand-selling business and doesn't know how to find customers.
TOZ is suggesting something even more radical and counterfactual, the idea that even if I set up Belts'R'Us in the local mall and take up belt-selling as a full-time profession, there will suddenly be no demand for belts and I'll only be able to get $1.50 for a belt. (Actually, one person suggested the price of the relevant spells would drop by 99%, equivalent to a 15 cent belt.) And presumably Macy's, Wal*Mart, Target, and so forth will all also drop their prices radically as the market oversaturates. I open my single pizza restaurant and pizza prices all across New York drop by 99%?
No single PC spellcaster can saturate the market for spells in a large city this way; the market price in a large market is robust. If there's room for a hundred spellcasters at 100gp per spell level, there's certainly room for 101 at about that same price.
Actually selling spells should more like being a lawyer or a physiciank, than like running a shop. You will be sitting in your mansion/office/tower and wait for customers.
You will get single specialized jobs and try to solve that problem. Sometimes there will be noone, sometimes you'd need to make a complicated schedule for your customers that. Maybe you don't have the needed spell effect memorized. Then you must make an appointment and learn the spell the next day. Never will you be able to sell all your spells.
The price will stay high, but no chance in hell awizard sells all his spells.
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Actually selling spells should more like being a lawyer or a physiciank, than like running a shop. You will be sitting in your mansion/office/tower and wait for customers.
Never been a physician or a lawyer, have you?
The average number of billable hours per year a lawyer works is right about 2000. This is basically 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks per year (and a two week vacation period), so that's a full-time job. There's not a lot of time sitting around waiting for clients. Similarly, being a physician is a full-time job -- the average physician works about 60 hours per week, which would be 3000 billable hours per year if physicians billed by the hour. One key aspect of modern medical practice is to maximize the number of patients that can be seen by any one physician by using things like nurse-practitioners to do the routine work of most practices. I could add other professionals like dentists into this description, of course.
This kind of work load equates to a huge demand for both legal and medical services, which is why i'm fairly confident that I won't be able to get my MD and JD and suddenly saturate the supply. There are more than 4,000 MDs in the Seattle area alone; if I were to open a practice there and steal only one hour of work from each of them, I'd have more than 4000 billable hours myself and everyone else would still have 2,999 billable hours, not enough to shift the supply/demand curve.
You will get single specialized jobs and try to solve that problem. Sometimes there will be noone, sometimes you'd need to make a complicated schedule for your customers that. Maybe you don't have the needed spell effect memorized. Then you must make an appointment and learn the spell the next day. Never will you be able to sell all your spells.The price will stay high, but no chance in hell awizard sells all his spells.
Why not? I have to make an appointment for a doctor or a lawyer (the reason that doctors work so hard is because they can typically fill a full-time day with scheduled appointments and then get off-hour emergency calls). As a tenth level wizard, I have about twenty-five spells per day, most of which will take less than a minute to cast. I need only find twenty-five clients per day to sell all my spells, with 24 hours notice so I know the spell load I need to memorize. (Alternatively, I leave the slots open and use Quick Study to learn as needed for the walk-in traffic.) 25 clients a day is about how many an average doctor sees; a lawyer sees fewer, but needs to spend more time with each one.
As a professional spell-seller, why can't I attract as many clients as a professional physician?
This was meant to be humorous and inventive, not a discussion on economics. Please try to keep it that way.
Here's another one I heard a while back. It's a 3.5 scheme, but interesting none-the-less.
Hunt down a dragon, kill the dragon, find is horde. But wait, there's more! Dragon hide is quite valuable, so get your druid or ranger to skin it for you with their high survival skill, there's an extra 2-5k in gold to go with their horde. Finally, use Flesh to Salt on their body. It will turn that 15000 pound dragon in a giant pile of salt. Salt (if I remember correctly) sells for 1-5gp per pound. You just made an extra 15-75k in gold, along with the dragon hide, and the dragon's horde!
The will work on any monster really, but dragons are nice because you can dex damage them into oblivion quite easily, and they come with the added bonus of their horde and their hide.
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Had a rogue in the game buy good locks. Then in went to three (currently) empty houses/apartment style buildings, picked the locks, and replaced them with his own. He then proceeded to sell the houses far below market value, stating he was leaving town that day, and needed the funds to pay for his voyage (strangely, all true). He even opened up the house and let the prospective client wander around inside to get a good feel of the house.
He proceeded to sell four houses that day, on average three times each. Coin up front.
This was meant to be humorous and inventive, not a discussion on economics. Please try to keep it that way.
Here's another one I heard a while back. It's a 3.5 scheme, but interesting none-the-less.
Hunt down a dragon, kill the dragon, find is horde. But wait, there's more! Dragon hide is quite valuable, so get your druid or ranger to skin it for you with their high survival skill, there's an extra 2-5k in gold to go with their horde. Finally, use Flesh to Salt on their body. It will turn that 15000 pound dragon in a giant pile of salt. Salt (if I remember correctly) sells for 1-5gp per pound. You just made an extra 15-75k in gold, along with the dragon hide, and the dragon's horde!
The will work on any monster really, but dragons are nice because you can dex damage them into oblivion quite easily, and they come with the added bonus of their horde and their hide.
isn't there a spell that repairs a corpse? I imagine you could just skin the same dragon over and over if so.
This was meant to be humorous and inventive, not a discussion on economics. Please try to keep it that way.
Here's another one I heard a while back. It's a 3.5 scheme, but interesting none-the-less.
Hunt down a dragon, kill the dragon, find is horde. But wait, there's more! Dragon hide is quite valuable, so get your druid or ranger to skin it for you with their high survival skill, there's an extra 2-5k in gold to go with their horde. Finally, use Flesh to Salt on their body. It will turn that 15000 pound dragon in a giant pile of salt. Salt (if I remember correctly) sells for 1-5gp per pound. You just made an extra 15-75k in gold, along with the dragon hide, and the dragon's horde!
The will work on any monster really, but dragons are nice because you can dex damage them into oblivion quite easily, and they come with the added bonus of their horde and their hide.
Sorry, you are right.
Ok so how about these two:
Open a Water Shop in a deserttown with "Create Water", ifinite supply as long as it's consumed.
Knowledge(Nature) find Rocs, Handle Animal -> Combat Train. Congratulations you just aquired somthing woth 10 800 gp. Sell and repeat. Animal Empathy or Charm Animal might work too.
Also works well with other expensive Animals and magical beasts like Pegasi Griffins etc.
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Get a job silencing paladins, because everyone hates paladins. Even other Pallys hate Pallys (That aren't themselves). Imagine 10 paladins of Iomedae running into eachother.
Guy 1:I'm the chosen one of Iomedae!
Guys 2-10:No I Am!
Guy 11 (walking into the group):Wow, Iomedae really gets around!
As you can see, getting payed to make paladins shut up is a legitimate business.
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I'd open up the Blood Bath and Beyond franchise.
Whatever happened to buying dozens of ladders?
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Whatever happened to buying dozens of ladders?
People stopped buying 10 foot poles with holes in them.
The stuff that is brought with a summoned monster disappears when it does. Called monsters no, but you have to negotiate to get them to stick around, and telling them to drop their loot and go away after you pay them isn't really going to work.
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oi, it's still summoned stuff, and it still goes away when the monster does. Same reason you can't summon them to use em for spell components.
==Aelryinth
Be an Oread.
Use Ferrous Growth.
Ferrous Growth: Oreads with this racial trait learn how to mimic the magic of their shaitan ancestors. Once per day, such an oread can cause a touched piece of nonmagical iron or steel to grow into an object up to 10 pounds in weight, such as a sword, crowbar, or light steel shield. This object remains in this form for 10 minutes or until broken or destroyed, at which point it shrinks back to its original size and shape. This racial trait replaces the spell-like ability racial trait.
In a big city you can probably sell one Elven Curved blade per day for a few days until word gets around about your scam.
Move to a different town/city and repeat as needed.
It would only be a few hundred gold a month but a nice retirement plan if I ever heard of one.
Summon Monkeys, Have them rob banks. Prophet.
So are the monkeys worshiping the gold, or are you buying your way into religious power in monkey faiths, or....?
Use Wall of Stone to create a sheet of stone 1/2" thick and cut it up and sell for floor tiles. At a Silver Piece per square foot, that would be 90 gold per casting for a 9th level cleric. Since you can shape the stone nearly any way you want, you can even include break lines it easily snapped into tiles. Alternately you can make bricks or blocks.
Use Wall of Stone to create a sheet of stone 1/2" thick and cut it up and sell for floor tiles. At a Silver Piece per square foot, that would be 90 gold per casting for a 9th level cleric. Since you can shape the stone nearly any way you want, you can even include break lines it easily snapped into tiles. Alternately you can make bricks or blocks.
I'm sorry -- I just cast a 5th level spell to earn 90 gold pieces?
And this is supposed to be an obscene amount of money? I'd make more money purifying food and drink for the local navy yard.
Use summon monster to terrorize locals. Then get hired by locals to slay monster. Rinse, repeat.
Pickpocket a group member. Then use pickpocket to place stolen loot and one of your items on a different group member. Accuse that group member of stealing and demand to search their stuff. When group finds stolen items, kill that character and divide up their loot. When that player makes a new character with new starting wealth, again find an excuse to kill the new character and take their stuff. Rinse, repeat.
Sell horses to adventurers. Follow them to dungeon. When they go into dungeon, steal their horses that they left outside. Go back to town with horses. When adventurers walk into town, sell them horses. Rinse, Repeat.
I loved these. :)
I'd have to agree with the earlyer suggestion made, which was to bribe the GM with food in RL. This will garantee the stuff not disappearing during the adventure in an attempt of the GM to restore balance to the game.
Remember Steve Jackson's game of Munchkin: Bribe the GM with food -> you go up a level.
With a low level rogue get contact and infiltrate with in all the black markets and thief´s guilds that you can.
At high levels go dismantling and getting all the resources from all the black markets and thief´s guilds that you can.
is there a way to shrink a dragons corpse down with magic to carry able sizes cast gentle repose on it and stuff that toy sized corpse into a bag of holding and go about selling parts to wizards clerics and alchemists after restoring it to full size?
Shrink item, if it's a small enough dragon to start with. Or zombify it and use trap the soul, though that could get expensive quickly.
Regenerating monsters are a literally endless supply of exotic cuisine. Tarrasque steaks for everyone!
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THREAD NECRO!
Start off as a 1st level Tian Human Druid from Po Li. Choose Chosen Child and Rich Parents as your traits. You start the game with 1,800 gp. You will need the alternate racial trait Eye for Talent, so your animal companion can start with +2 to its INT.
So, your animal companion (say a dog) has 4 INT. You can give it any feat at 1st level. Choose Additional Traits. Give it Chosen Child and Rich Parents. Now your animal companion starts the game with 1,800 gp.
Release your animal companion from service. Search for a new animal companion, giving it +2 to its INT score when you gain it. Choose Additional Traits, and give it Chosen Child and Rich Parents. Wash, rinse, and repeat.
Congrats. You can make a fortune and never have to do anything but find stray dogs off the street, which carry sacks and sack of gold.
Okay, you see that village over there? Yeah, it has Gremlin problem, or at least it will.
You see those hills, they're lousy with Gremlins.
Yeah, you see where I'm going with this.
Break into the treasury in the middle of the night, Rob the town stupid and leave a couple of gremlins and an empty bottle of Mad Dog locked in the empty vault.
Now, you see that next village...
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Step 1. Make a bunch of gold coins with Extended Major Creation.
Step 2. Stop by the bank and ask to switch to bars.
Step 3. Teleport.
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Step 1. Make a bunch of gold coins with Extended Major Creation.
Step 2. Stop by the bank and ask to switch to bars.
Step 3. Teleport.
Step 0.5: Disguise self.