Kalindlara
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Well, not exactly, it was Pathfinder, but perhaps before they'd fully converted to the present rules schema.
'Fraid not. Legacy of Fire was pure 3.5 ruleset, the last of its kind. Council of Thieves was the first Pathfinder AP.
Now, if you're referring to the Pathfinder brand... it was that. But the rules were straight outta WotC.
Lindley Court
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Another fire bard? I'm not complaining, the blurb does make the flamesinger sound different from the flame dancer, and there's always possibilities of other elemental musicians.
I just had my hopes up for a rain-dancer skald, I guess. Hell, I might even get that in this volume! I just don't know.
I'm Hiding In Your Closet
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Another fire bard? I'm not complaining, the blurb does make the flamesinger sound different from the flame dancer, and there's always possibilities of other elemental musicians.
I just had my hopes up for a rain-dancer skald, I guess. Hell, I might even get that in this volume! I just don't know.
I was kind of bothered by that - there already is a pyromancer Bard, why would we need another one?
A rain-dancer sounds great (though I don't know why it would specifically be a Skald).
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Another fire bard? I'm not complaining, the blurb does make the flamesinger sound different from the flame dancer, and there's always possibilities of other elemental musicians.
I just had my hopes up for a rain-dancer skald, I guess. Hell, I might even get that in this volume! I just don't know.
Now we just need a "Flame War Orator" 0.O
Set
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Lindley Court wrote:Now we just need a "Flame War Orator" 0.OAnother fire bard? I'm not complaining, the blurb does make the flamesinger sound different from the flame dancer, and there's always possibilities of other elemental musicians.
I just had my hopes up for a rain-dancer skald, I guess. Hell, I might even get that in this volume! I just don't know.
Ah yes, the Flamespeaker Archetype. Which will be published in 'Fire Bards of Golarion,' in 2025, when they've run out of ideas, along with the Volcano Drummer, Fire Flautist, Incendiary Comedian and Cinder Mime Bard Archetypes.
Seriously though, Bards who use Wind instruments (or harps, or singing) to control the wind, or dwarven bards who 'drum the earth' (or stomp on it with Dance, or just cause vibrations with String instruments, or use Terran language Comedy to 'make the earth spirits rumble with laughter...') to start tremors, could be funky.
Ylania Greenbriar
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Ylania Greenbriar wrote:I hope there will be goodies for wood elemental specialistsUltimate Wilderness will be where you're likely to get most of that. Mark Seifter confirmed wood is getting a full reprint in that for kineticists. Should be really nice wood based stuff even aside from that. This companion is looking a lot like it's just for the traditional four elements.
Thanks!
| SillyString |
Product description is cool and all, but anyone know if there will be any new options for sylph, ifrit, undine, oread or better yet the Suli or the bloodrager class? (Ideally, top of my wish-list is a jann bloodline/archetype for the bloodrager) That's what I'd be interested in seeing from something elemental themed :)
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Ah yes, the Flamespeaker Archetype. Which will be published in 'Fire Bards of Golarion,' in 2025, when they've run out of ideas, along with the Volcano Drummer, Fire Flatulist, Incendiary Comedian and Cinder Mime Bard Archetypes.
I thought that the Fire Flatulist was a racial trait for dwarves?
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This is one of the more anticipated books on my list. How about the rest of you guys?
Honestly, prior to seeing the description I was super-psyched about this one. After; I'm far less so. That's not to say that I'm assuming the things mentioned in the description will be boring/low quality, simply that they aren't the kind of things that I get excited about from new material.
But who knows, there might be planetouched stuff and/or unusual things in there too (Barbarian/bloodrager love *fingers crossed*). From what we know at the moment though, its not one i'll be picking up on release... but if I hear from others that it has some interesting things, i'll consider it for my "maybe" list.
Or to put it in the words of Gorbacz:
4/10.
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This is one of the more anticipated books on my list. How about the rest of you guys?
Much as I like kinetecists, it seems like they're getting a ton of love in this companion, which makes me concerned about how much content is left for other classes. Especially since they're putting in a whole prestige class too.
Was hoping for more spells/feats to make a single element build for spellcasters more viable. Guess we'll see.
DM Beckett
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This is one of the more anticipated books on my list. How about the rest of you guys?
Pretty much as others have said, it was, but with the new description, it really seems there will not be any room for anything I would actually want to see get material. Elemental Spells, Archetypes for Cleric, Wizards, Sorcerers, Bloodragers, and Warpriests around a single core element, and the like.
Nothing in the updated description appeals to me, so 2-3/10.
Worse, it really seems that so many of the specifically named options I already have, and I'd rather see something new rather than possibly another poorly handled attempt at reprinting.
Likely going to pass on this one now.
| Luthorne |
I'm not too interested in prestige classes, but the earthshadow sounds intriguing, as does the windstep master. And, of course, kineticists are certainly in dire need of more material, so that's certainly something to look forward to from my point of view. Beyond that, we'll just have to see what else is inside.
DM Beckett
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At this point, I'd honestly just rather them come out with a Player's Guide: Kineticist, PG: Fighter, PG: Rogue, ESPECIALLY PG: Monk, (fixed, the definitive edition), etc. . . all around.
I'd find it more preferable to all of these other books one would think would be very pertinent to a few classes and them getting nothing or little.
A lot of classes have needed love, (as far as mastering the Elements), long before the Kineticist existed, which seems like a big waste to me. YMMV.
| Dragon78 |
It is nice to see wood and void get some love for kineticist but I wonder if any other classes will get wood and void themed stuff. Also if void gets focus and that is related to the negative energy plane, any chance the positive energy plane will get a little love as well.
I hope the genie-kin races will get some love.
I really hope that all the non-spell casting and non-element based caster classes will get something in this one.
Set
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Personally any elemental themed archetype for classes that usually do not have element themed options is always interesting.
I'm greedy, I want more *and* better.
More options for classes that don't already get them (not a ton of elemental themed rogue/ninja/slayer Talents, or elemental Rage Powers for barbarians, for instance), but also better options to make clerics or druids with the Air, Earth, Fire and Water domains, or Elemental Bloodline sorcerers, or Elemental School wizards better able to represent their themes, or an elemental-themed druid to replace their animal companion with a small (initially...) elemental, as well as alchemist Discoveries that modify bombs to generate air, earth or water based effects, or mutagens to grant an elemental template or appropriate elemental abilities.
All good to me. I love more options.
N. Jolly
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Dragon78 wrote:I love the kineticist but hate every archetype ever made for it ;)N. Jolly's Kineticists of Porphyra has some amazing archetypes. Just saying.
Mine are pretty hype, but I like kinetic knight myself from 1p. I'll be watching this book closely, see if it has any fun kineticist tricks.
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Azten wrote:Mine are pretty hype, but I like kinetic knight myself from 1p. I'll be watching this book closely, see if it has any fun kineticist tricks.Dragon78 wrote:I love the kineticist but hate every archetype ever made for it ;)N. Jolly's Kineticists of Porphyra has some amazing archetypes. Just saying.
I dislike archetypes who take away ranged blasts outright even more than the others.
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Sure. I'd originally brought this up back on page one, but the way I figure it, the more it's talked about the more likely it is to happen. If not here, then somewhere else.
You would think that, but sorry to burst the hope bubble, when it comes to cleric options and especially archetypes..... I do not recommend that anyone holds their breath!! Paizo are not known for their cleric love!
Elemental clerics would have been great.....eg) a proper Fire Priestess a la GOT ;)
| doc roc |
I just don't like archetypes for kineticist, every time I see one my first thought is "wow I wish that space was used for more kineticist wild talents and/or feats".
Im a bit behind on Kineticists..... just about every book I see the masses are crying out for options!!
Are they considered bland these days?
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Dragon78 wrote:I just don't like archetypes for kineticist, every time I see one my first thought is "wow I wish that space was used for more kineticist wild talents and/or feats".Im a bit behind on Kineticists..... just about every book I see the masses are crying out for options!!
Are they considered bland these days?
Not so much bland as having very few options available. As if there was a class that only had two or three spells per spell level available.
Rysky
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doc roc wrote:Not so much bland as having very few options available. As if there was a class that only had two or three spells per spell level available.Dragon78 wrote:I just don't like archetypes for kineticist, every time I see one my first thought is "wow I wish that space was used for more kineticist wild talents and/or feats".Im a bit behind on Kineticists..... just about every book I see the masses are crying out for options!!
Are they considered bland these days?
Can't they use those spells all day long though?