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Here there be monsters!

What is a hero without monsters to vanquish? This 328-page book presents hundreds of different creatures for use in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Within this tome you'll find fire-breathing dragons and blood-drinking vampires, vile demons and shapechanging werewolves, sadistic goblins and lumbering giants, and so much more! Yet not all the creatures in this book are enemies, for some can serve lucky heroes as allies or advisors, be they summoned angels or capricious nymphs. And it doesn't stop there—with full rules for advancing monsters, adapting monsters to different roles, and designing your own unique creations, you'll never be without a band of hideous minions again!

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary is the must-have companion volume to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium.

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary includes:

  • More than 350 different monsters
  • Dozens of monstrous variants to modify creatures and keep players on their toes
  • Numerous lists of monsters to aid in navigation, including lists by Challenge Rating, monster type, and habitat
  • Extensive rules for creating effective and balanced monsters
  • Rules for advancing monsters by hit dice, template, or class level
  • Universal monster rules to simplify special attacks, defenses, and qualities like breath weapons, damage reduction, and regeneration
  • More than a dozen feats tailored especially for monsters
  • Suggestions for monstrous cohorts
  • Two dozen additional animal companions
  • More than a dozen different wandering monster encounter tables
  • ... and much, much more!

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Without Opponents, Combat Sure Wouldn't Be Much Fun!

5/5 —

Bestiaries are Pathfinder's version of the D&D Monster Manuals: reference books containing descriptions and stat-blocks for hundreds of new creatures for PCs to battle, bother, or befriend. They're not designed to be read cover to cover, but that's exactly what I did for this review. The Bestiary weighs in at 327 pages and contains (according to the back-cover) over 350 different monsters arranged in alphabetical order.

The book starts with a two-page Introduction, and it's actually worth reading because it explains what the (28!) different categories of information in a creature's stat block mean. It also introduces the the "Monster Icons" scheme, wherein each monster receives three different icons to visually denote its creature type, terrain, and climate. I like the idea of the icons, but I find them too small and similar to be useful, and I'm not interested in flipping back to page 5 too figure out what they mean. I'm happy just reading the corresponding entries in the stat block.

For monsters, we start with Aasimar on page 7 and run through until Zombie on page 289. This is what the book is all about, but it's a challenging thing to review as my notes are full of bits of scattered remarks about dozens of different monsters. As I can't figure out a coherent way to synthesize them, I'm going to take the unusual tack of just including them as a sort of impressionistic picture of what's in the book. Skim to the bottom for more of the review.

"A"

--aboleths are a lot tougher than CR might indicate!

--Not officially Golarion, but flavour in entries generally compatible

--backdoor cosmology with angels stuff

--really good write-up of Solar Angels

--Army Ant Swarms are pretty nasty!

--like archons--I've never really seen them used outside of summoning, when no RP is involved

--azatas: CG celestials

Bs

--cool how barghests become greater!

--bebiliths: wow, awesome art for an awesome creature!

--bugbear artwork is weird, but fascinating bit on "The Nature of Goblinoid Evil"

Cs

--creepy Choker

--good mixture of animals and various types of monsters

--a lot of classic ones, but some new ones (like chuul) as well

--like history of cyclops and flash of insight power

Ds

--dark folk and dark stalkers?!?! humanoid subtype with language--never heard of them...

--demons! Good, engaging, clear explanation

--don't argue with a balor demon!

--great stories for demons--quasit familiars taking master's souls!

--devils! emphasis on hierarchy

--a good variety of tough foes, with lots of HP and resistances

--great writeup of lemure devils

--fantastic artwork all the way through!

--Devourers are pretty nasty for their CR!

--too many dinosaurs!

--dragons! stat blocks are so long, there's very little description

--driders and drow: underused

E

--elementals

F

--familiar (no idea that was here!)

--froghemoth--really?

G

--gelatinous cubes are really dangerous!

--genies

--love Shaitan genie art

--ghosts: emphasis on story-based customization, 2 page spread

--Giants!

--fun gibbering mouthers artwork

--goblins

--golems

Hs

--half- templates

--occasionally the titles aren't the most intuitive: "Herd animal, bison" for example

--need full stats for combat-trained horses

Is

--intellect devourer--WTF!

Ks

--kytons are cool/creepy

Ls

--lamia artwork is regrettable

--lich: gotta have 'em!

--linnorms are nasty, especially curses and poison!

--lycanthrope template

Ms

--medusas, minotaurs, mimics--all the classics!

--mummy rot sure is nasty!

Ns

-- nagas look dumb

--neothelids are intriguing! need more

--nymphs have cool boons

Os

--Oni need better explanation

Ps

--good amount of player detail for pegasi

Rs

--rakhasa: a lot of potential in the right campaign

--retrievers are scary

--rust monsters!

Ss

--sea hag artwork is great! (and evil eye comatose ability!)

--shadows can be quite more lethal than CR

--touch ACs are so low because of artificial natural armor bonuses, making Alchemists and Gunslingers especially powerful

--shoggoths arent very scary for CR19

--skum have surprisingly interesting write-up

--giant slugs too goofy

Ts

--tarrasque: bad pic, underwhelming

--troglodyte pic is great!

Us

Vs

--vampires: elaborate template

--vargouille's kiss is nasty

Ws

Xs

--xills are awesome!

Zs

--zombie pic is hilarious

Hm, that was embarrassing. Sorry!

After the monster entries are a series of appendices, and these definitely add value to the book.

Appendix 1 is Monster Creation, and it offers a very thorough and clear guide to monster creation. There are a *lot* of moving parts to creating balanced monsters in Pathfinder, so this will take some time until you get the hang of it. Appendix 2 is Monster Advancement, and this is another important part of the book because it shows GMs how to adjust creatures in the book to make them more or less powerful by adding simple templates (like "Giant" or "Young") and by adding racial hit dice or class levels. Appendix 3 is the section of the book I use more than any other, and it's indispensable: Universal Monster Rules. In order to save space and avoid repetition in stat blocks, common monster abilities are fleshed out here: everything from Darkvision to Damage Reduction to Incorporeal and more. Only very, very experienced GMs should try to run creatures just from the stat blocks without remembering to double-check what their monster abilities do, precisely, in the Universal Monster Rules. The same appendix also contains creature Types and Subtypes, which are like packages of basic information that all creatures of a particular category, such as demons or animals, share. Again, this is to save space in stat blocks. Appendix 4 is very short, and provides some advice on Monsters as PCs. I've never used it. Appendix 5 is Monster Feats, though some PCs may actually legitimately use some of them like Craft Construct. If you notice that a monster has a feat you can't find in the Core Rulebook, that's probably because it's listed here. Appendices 6 and 7 list Monster Cohorts (for the Leadership feat) and Animal Companions (for druids and rangers), respectively. Appendices 8-12 are indexes that help a GM who is looking for monsters of a particular type, CR, terrain, etc. Really useful information that most people who just use online databases probably never realized was available. Finally, Appendix 14 contains Encounter Tables broken up by terrain. These include average CRs for an each table, but I still think it'd be foolish to actually roll on them: in a Hill/Mountain, region, for example, your PCs could run into CR 3 orcs or CR 12 fire giants. A party that is challenged by the former would be curb-stomped by the latter. Good random encounter table design needs to have a narrow range of CRs before they become feasible.

I'm not a huge monster guy like some people, but I definitely enjoyed reading the Bestiary and I learned a lot about the core monsters of the setting. I know there are five later books that expand the selection far more, but much of what I see in APs and PFS still draws from this book. Along with the Core Rulebook, it's safe to say that the Bestiary was one of the releases that helped to solidify Paizo's reputation as a company that publishes the highest calibre of RPG books in terms of writing quality, artwork, design, and layout. It's not indispensable since there are multiple websites that present the same information, but for ease of use (and the joy of skimming), the Bestiary is one of those books that every GM should have.

It all starts here babee

5/5 —

One only two books you require to jump in and play Pathfinder, it is the essential meat in the gaming stew. As important and the core rulebook is, it is nothing with out this work.

Expanded and tweaked off the OGL 3.x material, its cleaner, better organized and tweaked for the Pathfinder rules. Every hero needs a foe, every damsel in distress needs a captor, and every GM needs a source of badies to keep the group on their toes. You will find it all here, between these pages is years of destruction and mayhem.

No matter if you playing Pathfinders own setting, one of your own design and creation, or another publishers material, this is the must have companion to your CRB.

They need more monsters

5/5 —

not as useful as the advanced raced guide for the monsters you could play as it does have a lot. i own this and well do my best to keep it hidden from my players. they keep trying to make them fight dragons... they are lvl 5

great reference book

5/5 —

This book has all the monsters you would need on a starting campaine

The standard by which all monster products will be judged by.

5/5 —

By now, there are several Bestiaries out in print, but when this book first came out you arguably needed to own it to play the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Was it worth the purchase? Decide for yourself!

Crunch
When we talk about a book's crunch, we're looking at its game rules, mechanics, and similar stats. As a monster book, the Bestiary is 99% crunch, and for Paizo's first real Bestiary, it is absolutely fantastic. There isn't a whole lot you can really say about monster stat blocks; they work perfectly and there aren't any monsters that feel ridiculous for their challenge rating (CR). The book also includes several new races that are appropriate for player characters; in this book, we have aasimars, the tieflings, and drow, as well as the applicable but seldom appropriate deurgar, drow noble, and svirfneblin. The book stays true to the rules of its predecessors; when you look at a drow, you recognize it as a drow from previous games. Because of the significant power up that the core races received these classically "OP" races aren't very far out of line with your traditional player characrers, and as a result we don't see the Level Adjustment system in Pathfinder. If you're unfamiliar with the term, in older editions of Dungeons and Dragons, some races were deemed so powerful that you had to actually forgo class levels in order to be a member of the race. For example, if you wanted to play a drow, you had a LA of +1, meaning that your race counted as 1 class level when determining your party's level. This either meant you were more powerful than your friends or (and more commonly) your GM had you start at a lower level to compensate. And believe me, it is not fun to be a sorcerer of an LA race because of how far behind your party is! The racial benefits seldom made up for the loss of character levels and it was a pretty terrible mechanic all around, so good riddance.

Although the book's theme is classic monsters, Paizo manages to add its own spin on fantasy games by including weird and amazing monsters. A perfect example is the froghemoth, which is basically a giant aberrant frog-monster. As a huge Lovecraft fan, I was ecstatic to see monsters like the shoggoth creep up in Pathfinder as well. For a first Bestiary, the spread of monsters is well-chosen and you could definitely run a game with only this book if you really wanted to.

What probably amounts to the best change of all, in my opinion, is the changes to the rules for building your own monsters. These rules are difficult to comprehend and enact in other games, but the Paizo team does an excellent job of laying out step-by-step every detail in crafting your own monsters by including handy charts and tables. For a game that knew it wasn't launching with much material and that it wanted to be backwards-compatible with older products, it was a very wise choice to streamline monster-making as much as they did and its probably the best reason to keep a copy of Bestiary I in your library alongside future monster tomes. 5 /5 Stars.

Flavor
When we talk about a product's flavor, we're talking about its fiction content, its style, and its overall feel. This section is always very opinionated, because even though I whole-heartily enjoy Lovecraft and his works, there are those who don't like their minds thrust into insanity and the mere sight of a shoggoth or whatnot. When you read the Bestiary, the one thing that becomes very clear is that there simply is not much room for flavor. Most monsters get a paragraph and a half of descriptive text and a beautiful picture, but that's about it. Honestly, however, that's all this product needs. The monsters that are detailed are classic monsters, so the information provided about them tends to be enough that classic gamers can recognize the creature for what it is and new players can get a sense of wonder and learn enough about the monster to be on the same page with the veterans. The art is fabulous in this book and supplements the descriptions perfectly, even when the monster concept is weird text-wise a beautiful illustration helps to sell it to you personally.

The elephant in the room is that Pathfinder wants to have its own identity as much as it wants to follow in the footsteps of its predecessors. This means that every so often the Paizo team completely re-imagines and redefines the traits of a specific monster. Usually this happens to a relatively unknown or under used monster (we'll talk more about this in Bestiary III), but there is one monster in particular that is relatively well-known and got the Paizo makeover in a big way. That monster, which has become Paizo's mascot of sorts, is the goblin. To give a little bit of background, traditionally goblins have admittedly lacked character; they were little more than evil halflings in most settings. Paizo's very first adventure path, Rise of the Runelords, shook this up by drastically changing the image of the goblin; they were now psychotic savages who were obsessed with fire and scared of dogs and horses. They sang Children of the Corn style songs about death and murder and often filled a role as comic relief in many of the adventures they have been featured in while simultaneously managing to inspire fear and terror in many a party. In my experience, you either love or you hate the new look of goblins. Many classic gamers that I've played with deplore the "new" goblin if only for the art design; big heads, small bodies. Honestly, however, it doesn't bother me much; my gaming generation includes Warcraft's techno-suicidal goblins and Warhammer's hordes of insane, suicidal goblins; next to those, Paizo's take on the goblin fits in rather nicely.

For being limited to several paragraphs of text per monster, the Bestiary gives you everything you'd expect and more flavor-wised. Its a book of monsters that feel threatening and believable; there's nothing too dumb or too far out there unless you're a hard-core medieval traditionalist. 5 /5 Stars.

Texture
When we talk about a book's texture, we're talking about its grammar and layout, among other things. As someone who has actually sat down to try and write a bestiary, let's be clear that if there's one thing I get, its that stat blocks are HARD. They're hard to format, they're hard to standardize, they're even hard to spell check because of the sheer amount of text that a book like the Bestiary has. All of its complex jargon, half of it made of surreal naming conventions. With all this mind, if there's one place that the Bestiary is amazing, its the texture. There is almost no errors of any kind in this document. Perfect grammar. Perfect spelling conventions. Perfect formatting. Everything is perfect.

As you can see in the picture I included, the Bestiary breaks from traditional monster books in that it limits one monster page, with only a few exceptions (mostly animals and familiars). There is extreme attention to detail in the text placement, and its very impressive that the book manages to be as descriptive as it is with as little space as it has; almost every monster is illustrated, after all, so not only are you juggling stat blocks, but you're also juggling them with text descriptions and illustrations. This book is a marvel of editing and layout and nothing less. 5 /5 Stars.

Final Score & Thoughts
Crunch: 5 / 5
Flavor: 5 / 5
Texture: 5 / 5
Final Score: 5 / 5

This book does everything right. It is the shining star by which all monster-based products should be judged. For a first attempt, Paizo smashes their monster book out of the park, past all expectations. It makes me excited to start looking at the future Bestiary products.

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Why isn't it out yet? *tear*

how many pages does the beastiry book have. and when will retailer get whole of a copy.
Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy
Rizzen wrote:
Why isn't it out yet? *tear*

Every time you press F5, they delay it another hour.

Liberty's Edge
yoda8myhead wrote:
Rizzen wrote:
Why isn't it out yet? *tear*
Every time you press F5, they delay it another hour.

...and God kills a kitten and a puppy. Think about the poor kittens and puppies!

320, in about two weeks, just before the end of the month, if your in the U.S.

Over here in europe it takes longer, and is more random depending on the store.
Liberty's Edge
sora3456 wrote:

how many pages does the beastiry book have. and when will retailer get whole of a copy.

At one point it was saying 328 pages. I would say for sure it is around 320 pages....

I could swear that at one point it did say it in the description.

Sean

Well people are faster than me already answered. :) That was bloody weird. I sure as heck didn't see the other posts there not for the 31 minutes. Hmmmm....Oh well.
Paizo Employee Creative Director

Actually, and if I remember right, it's 328 pages. We had to add 8 pages to fit in all the back matter stuff we wanted like the OGL and encounter tables and some extra indexes.

Am I understanding correctly that that this book is in-stock, ready to ship, and I could have it in my hands in a week or two?
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JFunk wrote:
Am I understanding correctly that that this book is in-stock, ready to ship, and I could have it in my hands in a week or two?

Yes.

Scarab Sages

I just want my precious PDF. ;-;

Even though I didn't pre-order it?
JFunk wrote:
Even though I didn't pre-order it?

Pre-order + subscription pre-order = shipping either today (13Oct09) or tomorrow (14Oct09)

That is all.
Dark Archive

I was so eagerly awaiting my shipment of the Bestiary that I set my mail account to forward all mail from Paizo to my phone as a text.

So, just as I'm walking away from the messageboards, taking a drink and heading back to bed... my phone chirrups happily.

A package containing 1 item from Paizo Order #1241199 is expected to ship from the Paizo warehouse by Wednesday, October 14 via Standard Postal Delivery, estimated 4 to 8 business days in transit.

My PDF is unlocked, my book is en route, and Paizo has made one very sick woman (who is home with the flu, trying desperately to find the proper balance of codeine coma and eagerness for new book) very happy.

Thank you Paizo, for proving yourselves:

a) Incredible
b) Awesome
c) Sadistic (Seriously, JUST as I was returning to bed)
d) All of the above

Woot!

Shipping notice received, PDF downloaded!

Thanks, Paizopeoples!

::sigh::

You know, much as I'm glad that I'm supporting my FLGS, its times like this that I miss being a subscriber . . . at least I'm still pre-ordered at the FLGS.
Liberty's Edge

I has a pdf! ^_^

Jeremy Puckett
Sovereign Court

I am looking at the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary, and am hugging it. Great job, PAIZO. Once again, you've created a timeless gift to the gaming community of breathtaking quality.
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hida_jiremi wrote:

I has a pdf! ^_^

Jeremy Puckett

*Is sad his PDF isnt here*

KnightErrantJR wrote:

::sigh::

You know, much as I'm glad that I'm supporting my FLGS, its times like this that I miss being a subscriber . . . at least I'm still pre-ordered at the FLGS.

And through your actions, your FLGS can continue providing quality products by Paizo. Have a virtual hug! *HUG*

Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

According to the main online stores, the delivery has been delayed until mid-late November. Is this true of product ordered from Paizo online store? BN and Borders have it listed for the end of October, Amazon has mid-November... Any idea of the impact?

Mine is shipping on wednesday and should arrive 4 to 8 days later, according to the e-mail i got this morning.

Edit : And i've got the download :)
Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Seldriss wrote:
Mine is shipping on wednesday and should arrive 4 to 8 days later, according to the e-mail i got this morning.

Thanks, maybe I should just order it from Paizo and pay the extra $8 that I was saving at the online stores...

Liberty's Edge
KnightErrantJR wrote:

::sigh::

You know, much as I'm glad that I'm supporting my FLGS, its times like this that I miss being a subscriber . . . at least I'm still pre-ordered at the FLGS.

I wish all RPG publishers would adopt Evil Hat's PDF policy. Specifically, I'm talking about the if you buy a book at a game store you get the PDF for free.

Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Cellowyn wrote:
Thanks, maybe I should just order it from Paizo and pay the extra $8 that I was saving at the online stores...

Correction - the $13 + shipping and handling that I will save buying from Amazon.com...

Cellowyn wrote:
Correction - the $13 + shipping and handling that I will save buying from Amazon.com...

Take in consideration the free PDF if you order from Paizo...

WillH wrote:
KnightErrantJR wrote:

::sigh::

You know, much as I'm glad that I'm supporting my FLGS, its times like this that I miss being a subscriber . . . at least I'm still pre-ordered at the FLGS.

I wish all RPG publishers would adopt Evil Hat's PDF policy. Specifically, I'm talking about the if you buy a book at a game store you get the PDF for free.

I second this idea :)

Grand Lodge
Seldriss wrote:
Cellowyn wrote:
Correction - the $13 + shipping and handling that I will save buying from Amazon.com...
Take in consideration the free PDF if you order from Paizo...

Note that it's a Free PDF only if you Subscribe from Paizo.

Andrew Betts wrote:
Note that it's a Free PDF only if you Subscribe from Paizo.

True.

Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Andrew Betts wrote:
Seldriss wrote:
Cellowyn wrote:
Correction - the $13 + shipping and handling that I will save buying from Amazon.com...
Take in consideration the free PDF if you order from Paizo...
Note that it's a Free PDF only if you Subscribe from Paizo.

Right, so if I do not, then I am paying $20+ based on shipping to PA.

If I do, then it is $10+ based on the cost of the PDF...

Guess I have to decide if I want to subscribe or not...
Cellowyn wrote:
Thanks, maybe I should just order it from Paizo and pay the extra $8 that I was saving at the online stores...

Does anyone know what's the average domestic shipping cost for getting this from Paizo? I'm just trying to factor in my costs. [feigns shock] My Amazon pre-order got bumped to mid November as well. [/feigns shock]

Cellowyn wrote:
Seldriss wrote:
Mine is shipping on wednesday and should arrive 4 to 8 days later, according to the e-mail i got this morning.
Thanks, maybe I should just order it from Paizo and pay the extra $8 that I was saving at the online stores...

If you're buying online, I'd go through Paizo. If you're wanting to buy at a store, I recommend that instead.

Just my tuppence.
Urizen wrote:
Cellowyn wrote:
Thanks, maybe I should just order it from Paizo and pay the extra $8 that I was saving at the online stores...
Does anyone know what's the average domestic shipping cost for getting this from Paizo? I'm just trying to factor in my costs. [feigns shock] My Amazon pre-order got bumped to mid November as well. [/feigns shock]

Placing an order will automatically show your shipping costs. My subscription was:

Subtotal (1 Item) $33.99
Shipping & Handling $6.54

That's with the AP discount, and shipping from WA to Northern California.
Dark Archive
KnightErrantJR wrote:

::sigh::

You know, much as I'm glad that I'm supporting my FLGS, its times like this that I miss being a subscriber . . . at least I'm still pre-ordered at the FLGS.

As I, too, pre-order all Paizo stuff at my FLGS (to support them and also to promote these excellent products), I feel the same way...

Asgetrion wrote:
KnightErrantJR wrote:

::sigh::

You know, much as I'm glad that I'm supporting my FLGS, its times like this that I miss being a subscriber . . . at least I'm still pre-ordered at the FLGS.

As I, too, pre-order all Paizo stuff at my FLGS (to support them and also to promote these excellent products), I feel the same way...

If it's a consolation Asgetrion and K.E. Jr.. I'm a subscriber, who currently isn't set to hold for anything before shipping, and I have no PDF.

I'm not sure many folks do, because I don't see as much chatter as I would have thought.. at least at the time of this writing.
Dark Archive
Watcher wrote:


If it's a consolation Asgetrion and K.E. Jr.. I'm a subscriber, who currently isn't set to hold for anything before shipping, and I have no PDF.

I'm not sure many folks do, because I don't see as much chatter as I would have thought.. at least at the time of this writing.

Still.....waiting

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

*drools all over the keyboard as he goes through the PDF*

Amazing!

Ok, I have a brilliant (to me, at least) idea! (Stop me if this sounds dumb or hard to implement).

I know this wouldn't be put in anytime soon to fix my lack of Bestiary, but I was thinking about the issue and I was wondering if this sounded like it might work.

Could there be a suboption for subscribers who are set to Monthly or Ship With AP, that is like "with early PDF access". A subscriber who has the suboption selected would be opting to do something like so:

For example, lets use my account as an example, the proposed price of the Bestiary PDF will be 9.99. I'll be waiting a week until Seeker of Secrets comes out before I get my bestiary shipped, which means I can't look at the PDF for a week. What if, my card was charged the full PDF price of 9.99, allowing me to read the PDF for the next week. These PDF charges are subtracted from the total owed of the monthly shipment (ie: next week I'd be charged "Bestiary - Bestiary PDF"). This way I would be sated with a PDF until the actual hardcover ships, and if I randomly cancelled my order you would have already received full payment for the PDF I have downloaded.

Any thoughts?
Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Anyone that has the PDF already that would be interested in reviewing the Bestiary on Know Direction can drop me a line: knowdirection_at_hotmail_dot_com
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Cydeth wrote:

*drools all over the keyboard as he goes through the PDF*

Amazing!

*GRRRR*, you're practically begging me to send my Imp squad to sabotage your computer and to drag your sorry carcass to Citadel Rivad! ;P

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Watcher wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
KnightErrantJR wrote:

::sigh::

You know, much as I'm glad that I'm supporting my FLGS, its times like this that I miss being a subscriber . . . at least I'm still pre-ordered at the FLGS.

As I, too, pre-order all Paizo stuff at my FLGS (to support them and also to promote these excellent products), I feel the same way...

If it's a consolation Asgetrion and K.E. Jr.. I'm a subscriber, who currently isn't set to hold for anything before shipping, and I have no PDF.

I'm not sure many folks do, because I don't see as much chatter as I would have thought.. at least at the time of this writing.

Alright, Watcher, that's acceptable... you're spared from a surprise visit of the Asmodean Inquisition! ;)

Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Urizen wrote:
Cellowyn wrote:
Thanks, maybe I should just order it from Paizo and pay the extra $8 that I was saving at the online stores...
Does anyone know what's the average domestic shipping cost for getting this from Paizo? I'm just trying to factor in my costs. [feigns shock] My Amazon pre-order got bumped to mid November as well. [/feigns shock]

Based on my pre-purchase info, it came out to about 6.50.

Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Mikhaila Burnett 313 wrote:
Cellowyn wrote:
Seldriss wrote:
Mine is shipping on wednesday and should arrive 4 to 8 days later, according to the e-mail i got this morning.
Thanks, maybe I should just order it from Paizo and pay the extra $8 that I was saving at the online stores...

If you're buying online, I'd go through Paizo. If you're wanting to buy at a store, I recommend that instead.

Just my tuppence.

Thanks for the tuppence! Now I just need about 300 more of them to cover the cost difference between Paizo rates and Amazon's! :)

Yes, I agree, order through Paizo, if you don't mind paying more... Of course, you get a cheaper amount with poorer service...

I guess you get what you pay for. :(
Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Cellowyn wrote:
According to the main online stores, the delivery has been delayed until mid-late November. Is this true of product ordered from Paizo online store? BN and Borders have it listed for the end of October, Amazon has mid-November... Any idea of the impact?

As it's now in stock, if you order it from us, we'll ship it to you right away.

We shipped the Bestiary to all of our distributors last week. We've set the retail release date at October 21, which should be enough time for most of our distributors to get copies to most of their retailers. I have no idea why Amazon is post-dating the release date.
Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Rizzen wrote:

Ok, I have a brilliant (to me, at least) idea! (Stop me if this sounds dumb or hard to implement).

I know this wouldn't be put in anytime soon to fix my lack of Bestiary, but I was thinking about the issue and I was wondering if this sounded like it might work.

Could there be a suboption for subscribers who are set to Monthly or Ship With AP, that is like "with early PDF access". A subscriber who has the suboption selected would be opting to do something like so:

For example, lets use my account as an example, the proposed price of the Bestiary PDF will be 9.99. I'll be waiting a week until Seeker of Secrets comes out before I get my bestiary shipped, which means I can't look at the PDF for a week. What if, my card was charged the full PDF price of 9.99, allowing me to read the PDF for the next week. These PDF charges are subtracted from the total owed of the monthly shipment (ie: next week I'd be charged "Bestiary - Bestiary PDF"). This way I would be sated with a PDF until the actual hardcover ships, and if I randomly cancelled my order you would have already received full payment for the PDF I have downloaded.

Any thoughts?

Sorry—our subscription fulfillment process is built around the act of shipping packages, and dividing up the PDF from the print edition would, to be frank, make our programmers cry.

Vic Wertz wrote:
Sorry—our subscription fulfillment process is built around the act of shipping packages, and dividing up the PDF from the print edition would, to be frank, make our programmers cry.

Aww... well, it was worth a shot :) If I order the pdf out of impatience while waiting for the subscription to ship, will it mess anything up when the subscription ships?

To the Tune of 'Time' by Hootie and the Blowfish

Piiiazo, why you punish me?
Like a damn carrot dangling on a stick
You wash away my dreams.

Piiiazo, why you walk away?
With no Bestiary in the mail
You left me crying

Can you send mine before tommorrow
End all the pain and sorrow
PDF for free?
Cause tomorrows just another day
And I dont believe mine's sent

Piiiazo, I dont understand
Some schmucks posting on the boards
Gleeful they got their book already
Piiiazo, send Josh after after them
Maybe the rest wont all cry tonight

Can you send mine before tommorrow
End all the pain and sorrow
PDF for free?
Cause tomorrows just another day
And I dont believe......
Liberty's Edge

Well I have my PDF as well. I mean I do so want my "Dead Tree" copy but I so like the PDF and it is tiding me over very well. It is going to make my updating RotRl AP so much easier! You folks at Paizo really do right by your customers!
Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy
Rizzen wrote:
If I order the pdf out of impatience while waiting for the subscription to ship, will it mess anything up when the subscription ships?

You can't order the pdf until the 21st. The only way to get a pdf before then is to get one when your subscriber copy ships.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

Gone midnight here in the Netherlands - maybe I'll have a shipping notification in the morning. Oh yeah - and a pdf, though that's definitely not what I'm waiting for. Honestly :-)

Oh, alright, you got me...
Liberty's Edge

Can you guys charge my card for my subscription order? So I could get the PDF... :O)

I understand I added a bunch of stuff to my subscription so really it is my own fault. Plus it is not like I am running a game with it any time soon. School, 18 month old, and work taking all the important time away....

Just want to see it...yet can wait but maybe.....

Here's to hoping/dreaming...

Sean
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