Kirth Gersen wrote:
Take a look at Deathbird Stories and Strange Wine, those are both short story collections. (I'm not entirely sure that Harlan Ellison every wrote a novel length prose piece.)
Cordwainer Bird, though, there's an awesome author for you! :P
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Well, granted, in this day and age we would call him "mixed-race", but I sort of feel like that's a term that only gained traction in the U.S. since white people had to come to terms with voting for a black dude.
(Y'know what Freehold, you can just go ahead an post that PM for everyone to read, it looks like I derailed the thread anyhow. :P)
But about Lehane's stuff, I got Live by Night for Christmas, and really enjoyed it in a drippy-epic-romance sort of way.
You've read Harlan Ellison, right?
You might pick up some Dennis Lehane (Mystic River and Gone, Baby, Gone are his two most popular books, but only because they've been made into movies) just for blanks and giggles. Definitely worth reading, but not for the timid.
Also: "Alexandre Dumas was black!"; It's totally weird cause I just PM-ed Freehold about Django Unchained.
Have you watched Call the Midwife lately? Holey Bejeezus, just don't buy a pickle fork for your wife the eighth time she's preggers!
Lord Snow wrote:
It wasn't his betrayal of Robb, that comes later. I was saying that after dealing with Theon as a rather innocuous supporting character in the first book (and season), a page and half into his first POV section in the second, I said to myself "Wow, this guy's a f**king a**hole!"
I don't disagree with you about Theon's motives, but the TV series is front loading a bunch of stuff that makes him sympathetic, like the realization that he chose wrong and his real father died in King's Landing. You don't get that in the books until book five, after two volumes of off screen torture.
Look, I'm from Rhode Island, and I make an effort to pronounce "Awfhen" without a T; just don't ask me about Waw-wick. :P
EDIT: Never mind thinking, why are you punishing me for my creative spellong and pronunciation?!
I don't disagree, but Robertson isn't the occasional guy who follows you around with a Bible. He's a media figure with a TV show and an audience numbering in the high thousands, if not full-on millions. I'm not saying Robertson is a good example of Christian thought, but, as has been said before, I wish I saw more Christians having that Mr. Incredible vs. Incrediboy moment of "You are not affiliated with me!!"
I guess I'm saying that, whether or not anyone wants to dismiss Christians, Robertson deserves dissing and dismissing, frequently and in public, by "his own kind."
Kirth Gersen wrote:
See, Kirth, I know from the Horrible Milk Incident thread that you're the kind of fascist who demands that guests take off their shoes, so my point stands. :P
Well, I'm not saying you're wrong exactly, but religious nut-jobs (oversimplification, I know) have been burning books since before RPGs were around. I mean, say, Kurt Vonnegut books; stuff in recent history. I think Theeeshades is right on this one. Smart phones have assimilated into mainstream culture so thoroughly that at this point it'd be like calling out people who wear shoes.
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
In other I. Claudius news, I finally find a hawt chick sexy enough for Rome and she turns out to be a manipulative, psycho biznitch. Poor Clau-clau-claudius... :(
Wait, which one? Cause you just described every woman in the thing, aside from his mother. No, wait, she starves her daughter to death and then kills herself, that's as psycho as anyone else. Also, which of the hawt sexy chicks in Rome wasn't a manipulative, psycho biznitch?
Honestly, I thought I, Claudius had a hotter Livia Drusilla (Sian Phillips) than Rome (Alice Henley), but maybe that's just cause I love 'Sidi-ji so much. Old ladies with poison? That's sexy!
James Jacobs wrote:
That's the only real kind of coffee,JJ; if you wanted coffee, why did you ask for a cup of cream and sugar? :P
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
This is the first time I've seen this thread, and I couldn't be bothered to read all the way through it. Sorry if I'm repeating something that others have posted before.
I think dropping the playtest step from R4 is the best option listed; you Paizo staffers know how to spot a functional scenario, and we uneducated fans know how to find the most awesome of the choices. Those are the two sides of the equation, and with such a tight schedule play testing becomes a bit redundant.
Outside of the choices offered, I think R1 is giving you guys the most trouble. It felt like a disaster this year, if only because I'm not willing to weed through anyone's slush pile unless they pay me for doing so. This probably isn't very helpful, but a special forum title isn't enough reason to sort through all of round one, forever and ever. If, on the other hand, you would offer a recast of the Varian Jegarre Reaper Mini (in resin or whatever) I would probably vote on 5 to 6,000 unique entries.
I hope that all made sense.
What I'd mis-remembered is that OSUS was written as a one-off, and TDiR was the first one she wrote with plans for a series.
But Jeff, what argument? I said iirc, and Aaron corrected me, so I went and found an interview where she talked about how the books were written. If that's your idea of an argument, you must have a terrible time discussing anything. :P
Jessica Price wrote:
I was twelve when I read those books. That was just old enough that, having read The Dark is Rising first, I found Over Sea, Under Stone too childish for my oh-so-developed taste. Remains unread to this day.
It's totally weird, though. She wrote the second book first, with no ideas beyond wanting to write a story with a huge snowstorm in it iirc, and ended up with a subtle high fantasy story that just happens to be about a ten year old. Then her publishers said "Looks like a kids series to us, make it so," so she went back and wrote OSUS stone as a kid's book. Or maybe it's not that weird, and I'm just rationalizing my own snootiness from 30 years ago.
But yeah, Jess, I know exactly what you mean. Reading The Greenwitch, you see Will through Jenny's eyes, and it's very educational seeing the character from the outside after The Dark is Rising. By the end of it I was pretty sure that Will's (and Jenny's for that matter) magic power was maturity, never mind all that stuff about the endless battle between Light and Dark.
Man, I loved those books, and then they made the worst movie of all time out of The Dark is Rising. Fricken Hollywood does it again.
Kirth Gersen wrote:
The introduction by Moorcock in the first White Wolf collection mentions that "Fritz could be sensitive" about the pronunciation, so I'm trying to re-train myself. Hell, I don't know, to honor the dead, I guess.
Sure, DA, Milne's cool, too. I was just thinking that Moorcock's right in the essay: as much as I love The Chronicles of Prydain (the dial goes to eleven) Alexander probably isn't as good a writer as Susan Cooper. The last time I read the Prydain books, I found some parts a bit formulaic. Of course, the first time i read them I was in fifth grade, so it was all new to me. Alexander was one of the people who taught me the formula.
Kirth Gersen wrote:
I hadn't seen the essay; thanks for the link.
It reminds me of my own feelings when Game of Thrones really hit it big and I heard a few comment about how GRRM had done something incredible by removing morality from the Fantasy genre. Sez I, "Gee, that sounds like something you'd say if you first saw the movies of LotR, then read the books, and assumed you thereby knew everything about the entire genre."
Personally, I think JRRT surpasses Lewis as a writer, but was glad to see Susan Cooper, Lloyd Alexander, Roger Zelazny and Fritz LYE-ber (the man may be dead, but that's the pronunciation he demanded) mentioned.
As for what I'm reading, after running off with my mother's copy of the latest atevi book (look, I returned it) it's back to Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser.
Theon? You mean ** spoiler omitted **
What's funny is, I read the first four books between seasons one and two, and was rather aghast at what an a-hole Theon was. Then I saw season two and was confused by all the characterization they were wasting on him. Theon feels conflicted between loyalty to Robb and his father? Okay, but in the book he's just a treacherous douche-bag, characterization finished, and then he disappears from the story.
Then I finally get ahold of book five and I'm all, "Gee, maybe that characterization wasn't wasted after all . . ."
For those who have read the book five:
We're all pretty sure that the dude who freed, and then rescued, Theon is actually Ramsey Bolton, right? Because all that physical torture gets monotonous if you don't throw some of the psychological kind in there.
Don't worry about it, Set. Last night I was thinking of book 3's mortality rate, and it occurred to me that the opening credits will only have to cover half the names next season. :P
Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
That actually is funny, cause I spent about ten years thinking of Dinklage as "that guy from Living in Oblivion" before I even remembered his name. After you linked it it I was all, "Of course it's on Youtube!"; some people call me Hitdice, but my secret elf-name is Dumbass!":P
pres man wrote:
I'm pretty sure he isn't a fantasy dwarf in Game of Thrones, but the good old normal type (his parents and siblings seem to be all "normal" sized folks).
Yeah, totally, you're absolutely right.
My point was that after Game of Thrones finishes up (if it even ever does) the dude will have enough royalty money rolling in to go back independent-ey movies, set in the real world, such as The Station Agent.
Matthew Morris wrote:
Dinklage had the same thing going on with an ABC series called Threshold. Only about 8 episodes were aired, but I'm pretty sure the role wasn't written for a little person. It worked because Dinklage can play a sonuvab~~&+ of any size at all.
I'm also not sure that Dinklage is complaining about his own lot in life, so much as all the body doubles out there. The actors who played the scale doubles for the hobbits got plenty of attention, but none of their faces were onscreen, right? I think that's what Dinklage is talking about. He's also a good enough actor that he doesn't have that problem.
Earlier on I mentioned Time Bandits. On the one hand, Time Bandits was a movie were you had real life dwarfs playing time-traveling magical dwarves, so that's type casting or something, right? On the other hand, it got Kenny baker out of the R2-D2 tin can suit, and face recognition is a net plus for any actor out there.
Disclaimer: if I was in Dinklage's place, I would probably make an effort not to play any more fantasy little people after Narnia and Game of Thrones.
Yeah, that's the original BBC format, though; they split the super long first episode into two for American broadcast.
Also, a lot of those early BBC dramas on PBS just showed everything the BBC had filmed; I can certainly remember seeing nipples (and sex scenes for that matter) during the original broadcast of Brideshead Revisited. I don't think the moral majority types really got up in arms about it till The Singing Detective aired, and that was mid to late 80s, iirc.
Yes, I watched PBS as a kid, and went to school and told the other kids all about the nudity; that's cultural enrichment, baby!
Caligula's in I,C! There are even orgies!
What's funny is, I, Claudius came back into my life when my local PBS station stated re-airing it a couple of months ago; I said what the hell and ordered the DVD.
Now, this is a BBC series from the 70s, so the some (very tastefully done) nudity. Early in the series, it's a small enough amount that you don't really notice the digitally fuzzed out bits. So I receive my DVD, watch the rest of the series, and, because it actually is very tastefully done, don't really think much of the nudity.
Until that is, I watched a later episode on broadcast television and it looked like someone's smeared butter across half my TV screen. Man, America's one uptight nation.
I asked if you'd ever watched I, Claudius on some thread or another because you're always yammering on about Rome and I,C has some characters in common. (Augustus and Livia Drusilla were the only ones I spotted, you may do better.) But c'mon, you get to see Capt. Picard and Gimli as murderous centurions, if that's not awesome I don't know what is!
The thing about I,C is, given the way things were filmed at the time, it's more like watching a play than a high budget TV series of today. Also, a roman empire period piece with BBC orchestra pit intro music is just weird.
Books? I, like Kirth, have been rereading Fafhrd and The Gray Mouser, after running across the entire White Wolf series (with Mignolia illustrations, double win!) in ye olde used bookstore. "Lean Times in Lankhmar" is a fricken hilarious story; whoever read it and decided that Issek of the Jug should be statted up for Dieties & Demigods sorta missed the point, IMO.
Kirth Gersen wrote:
What about casting James Garner as Woodrow Call? That's like casting a Clydesdale to play a Shetland Pony!
I don't know what to say here. I really respect Dinklage as actor, but all this thread has given me reason to do is watch my Time Bandits DVD for the sixty-third time.
Celestial Healer wrote:
He was actually going to publish Misery under Bachman's name, but got outed (or whatever) before he could.
Personally, I think King's a very interesting writer, but all the stuff that makes his writing so interesting makes it nigh-unfilmable. It's no coincidence that the two movies that approach the emotional impact of the books have a voice over. (I'm talking about Stand By Me and The Shawshank Redemption.)
Full disclosure, the only book I've read since finishing the dark tower series is Lisey's Story.
The Running Man is the one where some guy is hunted throughout the entire world, and it's a game show. Actually, considering books like The tenth Victim by Robert Sheckley, Hunt-each-other-down-and-kill-each-other-on-a-game-show maybe worthy of the term sub-genre at this point.
And speaking of Jennifer Lawrence, every tween-aged girl out there should see Winter's Bone; hell that one was even directed by a woman; definitely a chick flick. :P
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
So that's when it all started? Now we know who blame, Doodlebug. You named names!
You've hit the nail on the head, Healer. PIE isn't, and wasn't ever a language. It's just common roots of various indo-european languages, which is different than, say, Latin, which has contributed to all the romance languages, and is an actual language which you can learn to speak (or at least translate).
Really Doodlebug? Even:
"Styled on my John Thomas, more like."
"Netley! How perceptive! The obelisk is phallic, for the sun's a symbol of the Male principle; of man's ascendancy."
I tell you, an architecture lecture, a history lecture, a mythology lecture, and a dick joke, all in one comic; I guess I'd give Alan Moore about a B. :P
Indeed, Orthos. The story described the honey as "unsellable," but I'd buy at least one jar of each color. Hell, given the conversation value it wouldn't necessarily have to be edible. :)
(Given my own dietary habits, I really hope M&M production doesn't produce toxic waste.)
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Whenever someone posts that "[X] is the only word in the English langauge that [Y]," we need an unconscious caveat: "...that my lame inernet source was able to quickly name of off the top of his head, and without bothering to look around or think about it any more."
They didn't even specify that it was alphabetical order; this thread has gone to the dogs in your absence, Kirth. :P
Shifty, are you really explaining etymological drift, and telling me that the 700 year old foreign language origin (it has much earlier roots, in Latin) of a word should supersede the modern english usage, in the same post? :P
Discussing MMOS in another thread, I pointed out that the word rape has become synonymous with "beat decisively." The response to my post was that 1) that's something you hear throughout society, not just in MMOs, and 2) It doesn't happen all that often, and isn't worth getting upset over. These statements were made in the same post.
There's no rape culture checklist out there, but that strikes me as the whole thing in a nutshell.
Doodlebug, if people won't discuss the differences between your points of view and Citizen's R.'s it might because the differences are so obvious that they don't bear discussing in the first place.
Well, that's where you get into some weird territory; you may disagree, but I don't think the extended ESRB rating summery on the website is fair warning to the consumer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not entirely sure the consumer deserves fair warning of the content if they went ahead and bought the game without doing their due diligence.
I'm only speaking anecdotally, but the vernacular usage far surpasses the scientific, day to day. You disagree?
Meat, have you heard about the use of video games/3D environments/virtual reality as therapy tools? Long story short, it doesn't surprise me at all that video game would get that kind of reaction, no insult to the art form.
I guess my question is, does the ESRB rating warn about everything in the article? From what I read, there was no warning that said, "This video game contains choking; if you've been choked, you could have a flashback." Don't get me wrong, I think choking falls within the greater classification of violence.
I think the customer should be educated as to what they're buying, but that shouldn't undermine the artist's vision, or whatever you want to call it.
I haven't been traumatized in my life enough to be triggered by anything I guess. Works of art effect me emotionally, but I've never had that moment where I relived an experience from myown life and walked around shell-shocked all day afterwards.
As re: are video games art, I just don't know what to tell you. I think it's much more useful to define the differences between good art and bad art than quibble about what is or isn't art. The people who produce video games are obviously creative types, going through the creative process as they create something out of nothing (if I use the word create a few more times, that sentence will have meaning :P), but I have yet to see a video game that should be alongside the Mona Lisa in the Louvre, y'know?
If seeing someone gets choked in a video game gives you flashbacks, I think you should be angry at the [redacted] who actually choked you, rather than the designers of said video game. I also think that any video game where the main character gets chocked to death right in front of you should have violence warnings all over it.