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Yeah except wash is funny and not a moron.

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Hama wrote:
Yeah except wash is funny and not a moron.

Wash is probably a Smart Hero, obviously with the Pilot background.

Gordon had some funny parts, but he missed a lot of opportunities,

like:
after he said he was always stuck being the human during cosplay, and then his holosuit deactivated, revealing his humanness, and he didn't immediately make a quip about that being his cosplay outfit.

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His character is the one I mostly don't like. Everyone else is OK, but he is like too much of an idiot douche to even be likable. Until they make an episode where they explain why he is like that and humanize him.


smilodan he knew he didn't have nearly enough tassels.


I think people are forgetting how the Krill view non-Krill. I can easily see why and how they were able to walk around the Krill vessel without anyone noticing anything. Krill view any non-Krill as not having a soul. So why would they bother to learn anything about Non-Krill. From what I can see the average conversation seems to be Krill killing non-Krill and not listening to what they have to say. As well it's actually kind of refreshing unlike Star Trek where it seems every alien species in every quadrant has complete knowledge of everything human.


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I think people are forgetting how the Krill view non-Krill. I can easily see why and how they were able to walk around the Krill vessel without anyone noticing anything. Krill view any non-Krill as not having a soul. So why would they bother to learn anything about Non-Krill. From what I can see the average conversation seems to be Krill killing non-Krill and not listening to what they have to say. As well it's actually kind of refreshing unlike Star Trek where it seems every alien species in every quadrant has complete knowledge of everything human.

I’m wondering exactly where the impetus for the Krill view of “non-Krill don’t have souls” comes from. Is it an extension of the way their world is almost completely shrouded in cloud cover (similar to Krikkit in the Hitchhiker’s Guide, where the idea of other worlds was foreign to their worldview), or are the Krill higher-ups ambivalent on the subject (but hey, it sure is convenient to say non-Krill are soulless for the good of the rank-and-file)? I saw elements to support both views in the episode, so I wonder which it is.


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I would imagine that once the religion became involved in politics and their society basically became a theocracy it was convenient to emphasize that only krill have souls for military reasons. I would even imagine the krill at the top don't so much believe it as use it to justify any actions they take. I may be humanizing them to much however.

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Hama wrote:
His character is the one I mostly don't like. Everyone else is OK, but he is like too much of an idiot douche to even be likable. Until they make an episode where they explain why he is like that and humanize him.

I got that impression from the very first episode, when the Captain, who was apparently not anyone's first choice for the job already, said that he had to go out on a limb to get him the pilot job, and then, on the drive-by of the ship, he's all over the place pretending to be out of control despite his Captain (and his friend!) asking him to rein it in.

Pretty much every appearance since, I've liked him less, and he seems to be rubbing off on the dude who sits to his right, which makes me regard him not only as a screwup, but also a bad influence. (As well as the source of ship gossip in scenes without the Captain and First Officer about their failed marriage that I want to hear *none* of.)

I couldn't even finish this last episode. The bit of the two of them infiltrating the Krill ship was just dragging on and on, and he was saying stupider and stupider things.

I feel bad for Adrienne Palicki (sp?), who I liked from Agents of SHIELD, and the actress who plays the doctor (who I recognize from somewhere... and keeps getting stuck with horrible scenes where she's getting sexually harassed by a CGI blob of jello).


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I feel bad for Adrienne Palicki (sp?), who I liked from Agents of SHIELD, and the actress who plays the doctor (who I recognize from somewhere... and keeps getting stuck with horrible scenes where she's getting sexually harassed by a CGI blob of jello).

She’s Penny Johnson Jerald, and you may be recognizing her as Captain Gates from Castle or as Captain Cassidy (sp?) Yates, Sisko’s eventual wife in DS9.

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She’s Penny Johnson Jerald, and you may be recognizing her as Captain Gates from Castle or as Captain Cassidy (sp?) Yates, Sisko’s eventual wife in DS9.

Ah! And now that you say that, I remember both of those characters!

And ha, a Star Trek (DS9) alum as one of the main crew of the Orville, that's kind of funny. I keep waiting in the various Star Trek and Trek-related shows for an appearance by Jeffrey Combs/Brunt/Weyoun/Shran.

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Mcfarlane is I think getting Shatner.

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While I liked the last episode, my opinion remains the same about the show. It has good ideas, but they're wasted on a writer who obviously has no experience writing science fiction. A writer with very little exposure to science fiction in general. I see this in the design of the Krill.

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3. Is the Union really new? These people know nothing about each other's planets and species and cultures and stuff.

I got the impression that there are just so many planets in the Union, with so many species, on any given crew, it's common to have several species which are unfamiliar to many.


Also tje orville seems to have attracted ,ore than its fair share of nuts


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It's getting more and more sci-fi as it sheds some of its comedy.

That being said, I can do without the divorce jokes, and finally we get an episode that has none. The frat bro thing was overdone a little, but I'm OK with it as this IS a comedy show first and foremost.

There's absolutely zero reason those two should have been picked for that job. That being said, if they didn't, we wouldn't have an episode--and this sort of thing happened on STTOS all the freaking time... why does the bridge crew go down on away missions, again?

I like the leg callback, as well as the holoemitter callback. It's good to see some continuity, even if not not being used to its full extent (The Orville would be one of the most OP ships ever if it was).

The "noncombatant" issue was mildly unnecessary. It was a warship, one transporting a WMD, with the intent to use it. All bets are off. I wonder if this issue will come up again the next time they have a space battle against a Krill ship? For that matter, I wonder if the end result of this episode will be in making them less of a threat thanks to the knowkedge gained.

I like the religious approach. That idea was floated early in the episode and it's good to see them trying to address it. For people who wonder about the aliens motives, remember that there are REAL WORLD mainstream religions whose adherents might think that non-human sapients are without souls too.

For me, the only thing I dislike about this series is that tries too hard to be comedy and sci-fi. If they took the comedy elements out and focused on the sci-fi then it would be on par with series like Star Trek. On the other hand, if the series were more focused on comedy and using the sci-fi as something to spoof, it would also be pretty amazing (Galaxy Quest, the series!). I hope they find a niche to settle into eventially, because they could go either way but seem... lost.


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.. in space?

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I think they just need to add the humor to the flow of the story, instead of stopping the story for a beat or two so the characters can make a joke, and then return to the story.

I just hope they call back Gortus's dietary options.


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SmiloDan wrote:

I think they just need to add the humor to the flow of the story, instead of stopping the story for a beat or two so the characters can make a joke, and then return to the story.

I just hope they call back Gortus's dietary options.

I can just see the episode where he, Alara, and other members of the crew are trapped in a cell, where amazingly, the cell is tough enough to be a jar of pickles that Alara can’t open, and then someone suggests Gortus start eating the walls...


In my opinion

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it wasn’t so much did they have the moral right to kill the kids, rather the captain didn’t want to kill kids. It’s one thing to say “we have to stop them” and quite another to personally burn a bunch of children to death.


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You CAN blow up a warship with kids on it... if you have to.

But you really should try to find another way if you can. Trekiverses are much more accomidating for hammerspace solutions than the boring real life we have.


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Mcfarlan is now the species light bringer.. AKA satan


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Its going to be like Game of Thrones soon...
I present to you Mercer, Sower of the Space Tree, Satan of the Starlight, Space Vampire Hunter, Killer of Krill.

As for the warship thing... no. I don't care if they are space aliens, they don't get a pass for using kids as (human) shields. Especially while raising them as child soldiers. If they knowingly bring children into a military vessel going to war, the moral burden is entirely on them. Even their Super Nuke and murder religion are not as repugnant as this facet of their culture.

So... good job to the writers on that part, I guess. I officially hate them now, where before they were just funny rubber forehead aliens.


Why cant aliens ever have huge rubber buts, or legs, or shoulders? Why does it always have to be the forehead for crying out loud.


I’m not saying the “moral burden” isn’t on the krill. I’m saying some people might have a problem with personally killing kids.


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Why cant aliens ever have huge rubber buts, or legs, or shoulders? Why does it always have to be the forehead for crying out loud.

From watching the SyFy show "Face Off" it is easier to do facial prosthetics and reuse them than larger builds.

This is probably why we won't see Bortus totally unclothed all the time -- he had a full body make up and prosthetic job done for the egg episode -- and that takes up a lot of time and money for the staff to do. Much easier to slap on a funny forehead and ears and contacts than do all the intense work, fix it between takes and so on.

I mean, look at Issac. His body is not particularly complex for such an advanced race .. it looks like he is a guy wearing a rather loose robot suit.

I also imagine this is a deliberate poke at the various Star Trek series and their rubber forehead aliens.

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Do bumpy-foreheaded aliens make fictional smooth-foreheaded aliens or differently bumpified foreheaded aliens?


To grey's we're the rubber forhead aliens.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
To grey's we're the rubber forhead aliens.

"And what's wrong with their foreheads, so smooth and creepy, like a mannequin. It's like someone took a belt-sander to their foreheads!"

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
To grey's we're the rubber forhead aliens.

Ok, now this has been killing me for years.

When do you put a ' on a plural and when don't you?

I could never reconcile that. Also on possessive nouns as well.


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Its as if it's use is so poorly understood

;)

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HOLY COW EPISODE 7 WAS AWESOME


Hama wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
To grey's we're the rubber forhead aliens.

Ok, now this has been killing me for years.

When do you put a ' on a plural and when don't you?

I could never reconcile that. Also on possessive nouns as well.

Put an apostrophe on a plural when it's necessary for clarification. For instance...

I dotted all my i's and crossed all my t's.

...would be clearer than "is" and "ts". Also, numbers are allowed. For instance...

They came in 2's and 3's.

Combining plural - when that plural is indicated with an appended S - with possession also allows an apostrophe. For instance...

All the computers' software got upgraded.

Similarly, if a word or name ends with an S, you'll need an apostrophe after it for possession. For instance...

John Adams' government service prepared him for presidency.

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What confuses me is when putting the apostrophe for plural makes the word sound like a possessive.

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Isn't it Adams's? Or Adamses and Adamses'?


Hama wrote:
What confuses me is when putting the apostrophe for plural makes the word sound like a possessive.

Language can be confusing. But it's true that the apostrophe isn't usually used for plurals. It's only a few situations.

SmiloDan wrote:
Isn't it Adams's? Or Adamses and Adamses'?

If your name is Gollum.

Seriously, though, in spoken language I might have said "Adamses" in my sentence above, even though I know it's wrong. Again, it's a matter of clarity.

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John Adams's hat.
The Adamses are coming over.
We're going to the Adamses' house instead.


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John Adams never had the opportunity to watch The Orville in his life, but I'd like to return the conversation to the most recent episode.

I really liked it. My only issue was I felt that making the planet so similar to 21st century US was a bit heavy handed. "A Taste of Armageddon" from TOS was broadcast before lottery numbers were an issue with Vietnam enlistment, but no one watching was confused about its relevancy, no matter how futuristic the set design was.

I really liked that John's idiotic grind on the state was a plot point rather than just played for bro-laughs.

I really really liked how lysella assimilated the existence of an alien spaceship so quickly, and liked even more that she turned off the feed at the end of the episode, rather than mindlessly up-voting, in contrast to her inattentive down-vote at the beginning.

[i]The Orville[/] can stand shoulder to shoulder with name brand Star Trek; I thought this week was better than that TNG episode where Riker has illicit UFO sex with the nurse.

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I remember when this episode was on Black Mirror.

It seemed a little Philip K. Dickish too.

Not that this is a bad thing. It's just not that original of a thing. Which is to be expected of a satire.


Hama wrote:
HOLY COW EPISODE 7 WAS AWESOME

Upvote!

Seriously though, I kinda agree with Hitdice on making a bit more allegorical and less on the nose. But for a show starring Seth MacFarlane, I wouldn't call what we got bad by any stretch.

BTW that online show, STD, is apparently getting a 2nd season. Anyone heard anything about Orville getting a back 9 or s2?


mmm delicious anvil nom nom nom

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I like stuff that are on the nose and anvillicious.


I guess the way they did it was fine. My way would of been to just hack their up vote system and spam it a couple million or so times. OR just stop the votes. also did the up votes not count for anything? I feel like they should of cancelled out an equal amount of down votes.


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I was waiting for isaac to say " your scheme almost worked. I felt bad so i hacked the voting system."

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SmiloDan wrote:

I remember when this episode was on Black Mirror.

It seemed a little Philip K. Dickish too.

Not that this is a bad thing. It's just not that original of a thing. Which is to be expected of a satire.

The Black Mirror episode was so much better, too! Its been out long enough that they had to have known about it before writing this episode.

I thought the Orville episode was not only really on-the-nose, but also pretty one-note and shallow--like they came up with the premise, the ending joke, and then struggled to flesh the idea out beyond that.


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It did also make me dislike social media more. as well as show case a possible down side to a true democracy.

The TV show hosts irritated me. They immediately took the majority's side to keep themselves safe.

Also personally If I knew my vote would get someone lobotomized I would be more careful with it.


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It did also make me dislike social media more. as well as show case a possible down side to a true democracy.

Totally agree as it seems instead of actual doing some research people seem to take what is written on social media as the pure unadulterated gospel truth imo.

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The TV show hosts irritated me. They immediately took the majority's side to keep themselves safe.

Pretty much like many TV show hosts in our world imo. Second they probably did that to not get a down vote themselves.

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Also personally If I knew my vote would get someone lobotomized I would be more careful with it.

That's what made this episode more terrifying to me at least. Imagine I give you a down vote for example because you told me that for yourself 4E was a terrible rpg next to Pathfinder. My vote is the one that sends you to get lobotmized and from the way some people acted in that world they could care less. Of course the lobotomy is down out of site as if they were actually televised people would be more careful and uncomfortable the system in place.


Orville still ends up being the better show imo next to STD.

This is the type of social commentary many want in the show. Instead they seem to want to focus on stuff were not interested in imo. The stale old "captain loses his mind" from the original show which they did to death imo. Focusing so much on Micheal to detriment of the other characters. With the Orville I like that they are showcasing different members of the crew. With the added bonus of them not being able to fix everything. The anthropologist they rescued Dr. Claire was unable to reverse the damage at least with what equipment she has on the Orville. Typical Star Trek would have been a insta-fix hypo spray. Maybe it's me yet I think this will be my new Star Trek for the moment.

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Will spacemen in the future self-identify as spacemen?

Also, why didn't they research who that statue was? Just the Snapple lid summary could have saved his life.

It was a neat premise, but had a bunch of holes in it.

And they have to stop body-shaming Alara Kitan. Maybe the next away mission will be on a planet where everyone looks like Xelayans, so the humans have to wear weird hats and scarfs. Or use the holo-disguise thingamajig.


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Dr. Claire and the missing scientists = Nurse Chapel and Roger Corby.
It was done with a guest crewman again later on.

I think the reason they are so casual about downvoting is that they aren't being "lobotomized" they are being "corrected". It is a good thing. All the negative impulses that lead to their transgression(s) are being removed. Why would that be a bad thing?

Answer: Because anyone that spoke out against the system from a position of informed opinion would get downvoted and face correction.


Really enjoyed this episode.

Pros:
The Union lets themselves use cloaking devices. Granted, they might not be effective on anything larger than a shuttle, or against anything more advanced than 21st-century-equivalent technology...
The episode seemed to be shaking the finger at the idea of the power within an uninformed vote more than anything else. It isn’t democracy or the lack of a system of laws above even the power of the popular vote that was causing the bulk of the problem (though those factors did come into play), it was the casual disregard the people had for the power they wielded and the flippancy with which they nevertheless wielded it. “I know zilch-nothing about the issue at hand, but I didn’t like the guy’s choice of tie, so I’ll downvote him anyway.” And the issue isn’t so much the people not being informed (because they all have lives to live and things to do and cannot reasonably be expected to do the legwork of properly researching everything about every issue presented for their vote), it’s their whims being given so much weight in the first place.
The end of the episode showed the best outcome that could reasonably be expected for that world. The Orville can’t just tell them all how wrong they are because that’s something the have to realize on their own or it’ll never take. Nor can our one resident who now knows better be expected to turn an entire world around. She only has the power to affect her own involvement (and when presented with that vote at the end, the one she knows nothing about, she abstains from voting up or down, the most responsible thing she can do).

Cons:
Not happy with the archaelogist team. It seems like the ins and outs of this society’s system of governing and justice would have been readily apparent just by tapping into their broadcasts. They should have picked up on how dangerous and swingy even innocuous things like “letting yourself get caught on camera not giving a pregnant lady your seat” before they studied the society from within. Heck, even Starfleet uses duck blinds and isolation suits.

There might have been some other stuff, but I probably glossed over it. Upvote!

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