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Luke was meditating at the temple to become a powerful “Grey” Jedi?
This was my pet theory that I wanted to be true. Not so much that he was trying to become a Grey force user, but that he'd decided that a society which cares so much about balance would unbalance itself by only using one side of the force. Upon coming to this revelation, he'd help teach Rey to actually develop with both sides in harmony.
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How many people seriously believe Lucas charted a 9 piece movie?
Hopefully no one, because he very obviously didn't. He was still writing the first one when it started filming, and a lot of people weighed in on things that were wrong with it and had to change, both during filming and post production editing. There are enough documentaries and 'behind the scenes' footage that this is simply factual.
ESB and RotJ were still unrealized concept sketches, if that.
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This was my pet theory that I wanted to be true. Not so much that he was trying to become a Grey force user
Luke was meditating at the temple to become a powerful “Grey” Jedi?
Obi-Wan, being portrayed by Alec Guinness and Ewan MacGregor, certainly could have been. But Mark Hamill is American -- his Luke would be a Gray Jedi instead.
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Obi-Wan, being portrayed by Alec Guinness and Ewan MacGregor, certainly could have been. But Mark Hamill is American -- his Luke would be a Gray Jedi instead.This was my pet theory that I wanted to be true. Not so much that he was trying to become a Grey force user
Luke was meditating at the temple to become a powerful “Grey” Jedi?
Well I’m Australian, so I’m happy with grey, colour and mum.
As a former french colony wouldnt tatooine have a gris jedi?
Smack talks review is as hilarious as it is insightful as it is not safe for work.
This was my pet theory that I wanted to be true. Not so much that he was trying to become a Grey force user, but that he'd decided that a society which cares so much about balance would unbalance itself by only using one side of the force. Upon coming to this revelation, he'd help teach Rey to actually develop with both sides in harmony.
Luke was meditating at the temple to become a powerful “Grey” Jedi?
Who says he didn't? The example he offered Rey seemed a perfect balance of Obi Wan's "Here's a light saber, use the force, when you're old and beat to hell, occupy the bad guy so the younger generation can escape," and Anakin's self aggrandizing whininess. Having achieved such perfection, he transcended physical existence to become one with the Force. It's all right there in the movie! :P
(More seriously, we haven't yet seen how Rey is going to comprehend/understand/account for the dark side/light side dichotomy, but this movie has at least raised the issue.)
(More seriously, we haven't yet seen how Rey is going to comprehend/understand/account for the dark side/light side dichotomy, but this movie has at least raised the issue.)
I don't think that they've written it yet. If they're going to.
Anyone else kind of creeped out out that Rose kissed Finn without his permission or nonverbal consent?
We're not there yet. Close, but not yet.
Well since men have been kissing,hugging,groping women for so long in movies, turn about is fair play.
Well since men have been kissing,hugging,groping women for so long in movies, turn about is fair play.
Not really. It was horrible and gross when dudes thought they could get away with (looking at you Han) and its horrible when woman try to get away with it. We should break the cycle because there is no such thing as fair play when it comes to this.
Anyone else kind of creeped out out that Rose kissed Finn without his permission or nonverbal consent?
No, i wasn't creeped out by that. Honestly, I don't see that as a Star Wars relevant issue.
It does seem off topic.
Any word on Rose's trial in the next film?
Anyone else kind of creeped out out that Rose kissed Finn without his permission or nonverbal consent?
not in the slightest.
Any word on Rose's trial in the next film?I think it got leaked that she'll get a stiff chewing out by the higher ups and demoted to janitor but she'll still have plenty of important side jobs to do because the brass likes her. Then she and Finn will combine their janitorial knowledge of the First Order and the Resistance to save the Republic.
Can't we just write her out of the story entirely? I think Star Wars can only handle so many characters and Rose is one to many.
This new trilogy should be about Rey, Finn, Kylo and maybe Poe. That's it. We don't need three different storylines and multiple arcs occurring all at once.
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Any word on Rose's trial in the next film?I think it got leaked that she'll get a stiff chewing out by the higher ups and demoted to janitor but she'll still have plenty of important side jobs to do because the brass likes her. Then she and Finn will combine their janitorial knowledge of the First Order and the Resistance to save the Republic.
With a special crossover appearance by Roger Wilco from the Space Quest games. If it's well received by fans, I hear the next stand alone could be a Lando movie featuring Leisure Suit Larry.
Anyone else kind of creeped out out that Rose kissed Finn without his permission or nonverbal consent?
Too busy facepalming over the plot armorthat keeps the ATATs from blowing them to smithereens
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Anyone else kind of creeped out out that Rose kissed Finn without his permission or nonverbal consent?Too busy facepalming over the plot armorthat keeps the ATATs from blowing them to smithereens
In fairness, if you don't like HUGE amounts of plot armour then Star Wars may not be the series for you :-).
At least in the movies (haven't watched the TV shows or read the books) there has always been absolutely huge amounts of plot armour for anybody considered a "named character".
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Anyone else kind of creeped out out that Rose kissed Finn without his permission or nonverbal consent?Too busy facepalming over the plot armorthat keeps the ATATs from blowing them to smithereensIn fairness, if you don't like HUGE amounts of plot armour then Star Wars may not be the series for you :-).
At least in the movies (haven't watched the TV shows or read the books) there has always been absolutely huge amounts of plot armour for anybody considered a "named character".
Yeah... it may be odd that none of those walkers bothered to shoot or step on them, but it was also odd that Leia takes the only nonlethal hit from a non-stun settting blaster in the entire original trilogy, that none of the Death Star's fighters bothered to chase and shoot up the fighters that survived the Battle of Yavin (I mean, what did they have to lose?), that the Millennium Falcon routinely outperforms ships that are decades newer than it is (it was a "piece of junk" in the original trilogy, after all), that Han, Luke, Leia, and the droids survive more intense frontline combat than a Stalingrad veteran without taking injuries until the third film, that the star destroyer gunners don't shoot at an escape pod leaving the Tantive IV even though droids are a known quantity in their universe...
Any word on Rose's trial in the next film?
She should be put on trial or at the very least be the most hated person in the rebel alliance imo. It's great she saved Finn she also did something truly dumb and allowed the Empire to get through the armored door. Yes I know true love makes for a great scene in a movie not when it's written in such away that it dooms everyone else imo. I do wish they would remember that the Millennium Falcon also carries Concussion missiles and not just the quad cannons. In other sources comics and novels Han and others use them.
In fairness, if you don't like HUGE amounts of plot armour then Star Wars may not be the series for you :-).
At least in the movies (haven't watched the TV shows or read the books) there has always been absolutely huge amounts of plot armour for anybody considered a "named character".
There are limits and that passed them. At warp speed.
I can't think of any plot armor nearly as bad as stopping for a picinic in front of the entire first order. They didn't even bring a laser sword.that none of the Death Star's fighters bothered to chase and shoot up the fighters that survived the Battle of Yavin (I mean, what did they have to lose?)
Their lives?
I mean their boss just got blown up, are they even getting paid anymore?
They just blew up your base. you don't know how many of them are left or what kind of ships they have, are you really going to chase after them or go try to go get vader from whereever he's going AhahAHahAHahAH
that the Millennium Falcon routinely outperforms ships that are decades newer than it is (it was a "piece of junk" in the original trilogy, after all)
Crash a 1952 buick into a prius.
The junk is a deliberate aesthetic to be overlooked, kind of important as a smuggler. Han and chewie made a lot of custom modifications under the hood.
that Han, Luke, Leia, and the droids survive more intense frontline combat than a Stalingrad veteran without taking injuries until the third film,
Lukes hand?
c3po got blown apart in 2
But yeah. stormtrooper precision is a running gag (my earth science teacher used it as an example of the difference between precision and accuracy...they're all exactly 3.48292 meters to the left...)
that the star destroyer gunners don't shoot at an escape pod leaving the Tantive IV even though droids are a known quantity in their universe...
Its on tatooine. Where's it going to go? We know where it landed just pick it up later. Sand and servos don't mix
Head cannon is they were trying to outfox someone launching an escape pod to see what happened to it.
They'd literally have to serve at each others jurors to have a court-martial at this point...
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There are limits and that passed them.
In fairness, if you don't like HUGE amounts of plot armour then Star Wars may not be the series for you :-).
At least in the movies (haven't watched the TV shows or read the books) there has always been absolutely huge amounts of plot armour for anybody considered a "named character".
I'm not really disagreeing but I think you're overstating the amount of difference.
Speaking for myself I know that my ability to ignore total silliness is strongly correlated to how much I'm enjoying the movie. So, if I'm liking the movie I'll notice and scoff at flying up a giant space worms butt and just not let it bother me but if I'm NOT liking the movie a character speaking in a bad Caribbean accent can really make a poor movie unwatchable.
I think that you have lots and lots of valid concerns about this movie. Too much plot armour seems to me like pretty small potatoes compared to your other points :-)
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I think that you have lots and lots of valid concerns about this movie. Too much plot armour seems to me like pretty small potatoes compared to your other points :-)
They're interrelated.
If the deeper levels of the story/subtext/message is that someone is wrong and needs to learn/change grow because what they're doing is getting someone killed (Don't kill what you hate save what you love!) .... for me that absolutely has to have a measure of plausibility in the upper levels of the plot.
Doing the thing you're supposed to be doing can't be the thing you're supposed to do just because its the thing you're supposed to be doing. It's circular and arbitrary. Its the metanarrative taking over the entire story. It makes the entire story a heavy handed authors message with tell don't show.
I am a philistine. I am somewhere between I don't care about that layer and actively annoyed because that layer tends to put on airs with pretenses at high art. Critics gobble that layer up like a space cat on Thela siren milk.
Stormtroopers are nameless faceless mooks. Them being terrible at their job is both consistent with the story and the Genre in general. They may be unrealistically bad shots and easy to kill or knock out but they're CONSISTANTLY bad shots that are easy to kill. The way spaceships move is more like a dog fight/ariel combat but its consistent in that regard. So fine, they all shot at han solo and missed.
But Just sitting in front a bunch of at at walkers sipping tea and eating crumpets... No. At least show the guy in the atat go "godamn it FN-2187..." and pull the laser a bit to the left to shower him in rocks or something. As it is is there anything in star wars nearly as egregious as not being shot or squashed there? Luke had to DIE to pull that off.
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That's under the assumption that he would have succeeded and destroyed the blaster ram (or whatever it was) rather than just disintegrating. He'd been ordered to retreat and was disobeying. He should also be tried for disobeying orders, were this actually any kind of real military organization.
1) everything in the star wars universe explodes when you crash a ship into it
2) rule 1 goes double for anything bright and glowy.
3) Poes bringing someone up on disobeying an order trial will be delayed until we can find jurors who don't fall out of their seats laughing...:)
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like a space cat on Thela siren milk.
Hmm. Space cats.
You're right, THAT is what Star Wars is missing. You can keep the silver foxes and porgs, I want Space Cats :-) :-) :-)
On a more serious note - as I say, I mostly agree with you. I thought that scene very badly handled. I just think other parts of the movie were considerably worse :-).
like a space cat on Thela siren milk.
Hmm. Space cats.
You're right, THAT is what Star Wars is missing. You can keep the silver foxes and porgs, I want Space Cats :-) :-) :-)
On a more serious note - as I say, I mostly agree with you. I thought that scene very badly handled. I just think other parts of the movie were considerably worse :-).
Kilrathi would definitely screw up the first Orders day.
Why fan theorizing ruined star wars .. and makes it better.
Ah the internet that place where everyone hates everything at all times.
Hmm..Porgs are actually CGI'd puffins. This was done because it was too much of a hassle to CGI them out, but Puffins are in fact a common food source so...just eat the puffins and problem solved!
Agreed Bjorn.
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... are the HISE people reading this thread or were the changes THAT obvious...