Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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Scarab Sages

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There is so much subtext in that "That isn't you." line we could read it tons of ways. I don't think it will mean Arya is turning back south, too much of the marketing photo shoots have leaned heavy on the 'getting the band back together' feel, and she still is missing one piece of equipment from her kit. A piece of equipment dropped by a certain boss monster with an affectionate streak for Tully women.


I think there was a picture of that dagger in one of the books Sam was looking through, too, but wasn't it in King's Landing the last time we saw it? Or did Cat take it back north to the Aerie? Then again, if Littlefinger kept it, it could be at Winterfell right now.

Scarab Sages

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Here is an aside. Sansa's wardrobe for season seven has an amulet type of fixture on it, a circle with a chain through it. The quickly dropped "DARK SANSA" of the Eyrie had a similar one, but with a cross bar, that different sources posit was representative of her femininity or a stylization of the moon door. This new amulet is sleeker and has no cross bar (perhaps representing her maidenhood?), but retains the general style of her Eyrie amulet. Just wondering if anybody else had any thoughts on the symbolism there.

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Hitdice wrote:
I think there was a picture of that dagger in one of the books Sam was looking through, too, but wasn't it in King's Landing the last time we saw it? Or did Cat take it back north to the Aerie? Then again, if Littlefinger kept it, it could be at Winterfell right now.

Cat took it with her to KL and Littlefinger claimed he lost it to (lie that instigated war of 5 kings) Tyrion in a gambling debt. She returned it to him.

And yes, it seemed to be in the book Sam was reviewing.


Well, it definitely doesn't mean that that's not Nymeria. She's in the neck, and a dire wolf south of the wall was "the end is near!" level of out of place.


Arya stark

"I got your NOooOOOOooose"

Scarab Sages

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Arya Stark:

"Boop. Who's a good girl? You are! Yes you are!"

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When I die, I want Theon Grayjoy to lower me into my grave so he can let me down one last time.


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The memes being produced at Theon's expense are worth it all.


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GM Niles wrote:
The memes being produced at Theon's expense are worth it all.

That's what happens when you murder children to prove your manliness.


The showrunners are honestly setting us up for a massive disappointment when it comes to Theon.

We keep expecting him to come around at some point...but I really don't think its gonna happen.

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I know folks think Theon should have charged in and fought, on the other hand, Euron knew, Yara knew, and theon sure as hell knew it was suicide. Sure part of Yara probably wished Theon would have fought to save her, but I doubt she can blame him.

The real travesty is that one sand snake and Ellaria are still alive. The terrible no good Dorne storyline continues ugh...


Well, the next ep. Title is "The Queen's Justice" so, I'm expecting them both to meet a grisly demise. The grislier the better imho.

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Maybe they have a bear somewhere in King's Landing, so it can be ... grizzly justice.


Delightful wrote:
GM Niles wrote:
The memes being produced at Theon's expense are worth it all.
That's what happens when you murder children to prove your manliness.

But hey they were nameless NPCs so they don't matter.


Since this is a shorter season(7 episodes) there is a whole bunch of acceleration. Euron's ambush was ridiculous and it looks like Cersei has grabbed Ramsey's 'I win' ball until episode 5 at least. (Leaving one episode for prep for season 7)


From a showrunner perspective, the naval fight made huge sense to me the way it plays out. It removes some options from Dany, forcing her towards a more direct Cersei confrontation. It also saved a lot of CGI money on the naval battle.

Cersei's scene in the basement with dragon skulls is a "Chekov's gun" clue that Cersei is going to do battle with a dragon. I'm still in the club that Cersei dies this season, but this is our warning that a dragon is going to die at some point (whether by Cersei's hand or someone else).

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I think when Cercei does die, it's going to be by Jamie's hand.

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Marc Radle wrote:
I think when Cercei does die, it's going to be by Jamie's hand.

That would certainly be appropriate and tragic and put a fancy bow on the whole messed-up Lannister family story.

But I'd prefer Cersei to die at the hands of her own MountainZombie, which turns out to be as susceptible to the Night King's control as any other zombie. Surprise! Your undead bodyguard works for the king of the dead!

OTOH, the Faceless God seems to be pretty chill about Arya taking his face-lifting secrets and using them to pursue her own vendetta against the Frey family (despite multiple somewhat lukewarm admonishments to forget her name and vengeance, and embrace the Faceless God's service). That the Frey family scoffed at the meal-bond tradition, which, IIRC, was one laid down by the Seven, suggests that her vendetta against the Freys just happens to neatly coincide with a divine agenda anyway. Her vendetta against Cersei, until recently, did not necessarily fit with any divine agenda. But now that Cersei has blown up the church, Arya might have a bit more leeway to use the Faceless God's teachings to pursue that particular vendetta as well...

Honestly, the line to kick Cersei's butt goes around Westeros, and Tyrion's in it twice. :)

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Now that Arya is an awesome assassin going around killing all her enemies, its just about time for her to have an untimely death.

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Even worse, she'll finish her list, realize that there is no way to still be Arya, and rip her face off, truly accepting the doctrine of the Faceless Men. Or *boop* Jaqen under her face.


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Marc Radle wrote:
I think when Cercei does die, it's going to be by Jamie's hand.

bud ump csh.


I think that when Cersei dies, Jamie will die. They are in a death spiral with them pulling and pushing each other along. If blowing up the sept didn't make Jamie break off nothing will.


archmagi1 wrote:
Even worse, she'll finish her list, realize that there is no way to still be Arya, and rip her face off, truly accepting the doctrine of the Faceless Men. Or *boop* Jaqen under her face.

In a way, she already did that when she said "That's not you." She actually is becoming a "girl with no name" which may be why 'Jaqen' let her go. Arya was still holding onto her idendity, but letting her go back and confront her past is causing her to realize that she isn't that person anymore.


MannyGoblin wrote:
Since this is a shorter season(7 episodes) there is a whole bunch of acceleration. Euron's ambush was ridiculous and it looks like Cersei has grabbed Ramsey's 'I win' ball until episode 5 at least. (Leaving one episode for prep for season 7)

Euron still has Ramzses' the crazy bad guy i win ball. Going through trick weapon sand snakes as a man in full plate armor with an axe is to be expected, but just running into the other fleet and not getting friendly fried by flaming catapults and arrows is villian ex machina.

Cersei's political win makes sense. Given westerosi tech levels, the idea that she blew up the sept is about as likely as hand of the gods. She's been the queen for years, and danerys is in fact landing a bunch of slave soldier eunuchs and the gotterdamnedrung mongols dothraki on the place. So the nobles not being happy, but prefering her to the crazy dragon lady is understandable.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Euron ...just running into the other fleet and not getting friendly fried by flaming catapults and arrows is villian ex machina.

Yeah, Euron is a douche ex machina. I was chatting on another board about Euron's incredible navigational luck, especially without any magical assistance, and someone quipped "Euron's penis always points to Danger." So that's now my headcanon.

Hopefully with all the consolidation in plots and characters, Euron will take the place of Quentyn Martell in that book scene with Rhaegal.

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Douche ex machina... New favorite term.


Take a look at a map of Westeros, Yara's fleet was leaving Dragonstone, which is an area with lots of islands and peninsulas. Them having been spotted and Euron knowing where they were isn't that outrageous. In fact, them NOT spotting each other was stretching my credulity in episode one.

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Euron already had the upper hand. His fleet had already amassed inside the Bay prior to the Targ Armada arriving at Dragonstone. They're all probably moored on the north end of the island and along the mainland to the north, where it would make sense to rally. None of the Targ armada knew that a) Euron was involved yet, or b) that he was literally just up the street from them. The last good intel for anybody in the Targ camp concerning any ships in the Stormlands or Crownlands was that Stannis the Mannis obliterated the Crown's armada in season 2, had half of his armada wild fired and then took the remainders up north to never be seen again. The Crownlands were, as far as they knew, undefended from the sea, so no reason to worry about a fleet of pirates popping out of there.

A sloop or something running scouting out at the southern mouth of the bay is enough to alert the Iron Fleet to the Ironborn portion of the Targ Armada leaving the main force. Hell, maybe they even saw the other half of the Armada as well (those on the long haul to Casterly Rock), but since they were flying Targ sails instead of Greyjoy colors, his familial hatred and need for a prize had him narrow in on his niece's fleet. Tarry inside the bay until after dark, emerge, then hawk behind the Greyjoy fleet for a few days as they separate more from the rest of the armada, and Boom, element of surprise.

The only problem for me, though, is that the Iron Fleet had to have massively superior ships than the Greyjoy Fleet to catch them in a few hours. Even incompetent pirates would have seen a fleet tailing them close enough for the sneak attack, so either the Greyjoy Fleet was going slow for some reason, or Euron's ships have plot speed boosts.


I'm guessing the last Sand Snake will get smashed by The Mountain while Ellaria(sp) gets special attention from Cersei. I think Jaime MIGHT argue about keeping the last snake alive as a hostage against Dorn but Momma Snake is gone.


MannyGoblin wrote:
I'm guessing the last Sand Snake will get smashed by The Mountain while Ellaria(sp) gets special attention from Cersei. I think Jaime MIGHT argue about keeping the last snake alive as a hostage against Dorn but Momma Snake is gone.

Momma snake would make just as good a hostage would she not?

I think that puts baby snake on the chopping block as Cersei loves her some dramatic irony.


Hmm I can't remember if Jaime saw Momma kiss his daughter and thus poison her. If he did, she is gone.

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MannyGoblin wrote:
Hmm I can't remember if Jaime saw Momma kiss his daughter and thus poison her. If he did, she is gone.

IIRC, Jamie did'nt see it, He and Bronn were already below deck on the ship when she kissed daughter on dock.


I don't know how good of a hostage any of the Sands actually makes. They seized power in a coup after a moment of frustration at the death of a trueborn member of the ruling house, but they're all bastards and it seems like the Martells may all be dead. We haven't really gotten deep into Dorne politics, so it's very wide open for the writers to have whatever reaction they want from whoever takes power in Dorne now.

In a more realistic setting, whoever was left in charge in their absence probably has a better traditional claim to the throne of Dorne than someone with the last name of Sand. Having the Sands eliminated by your enemy is just too convenient to do more than make a token effort to recover them.


MannyGoblin wrote:
Hmm I can't remember if Jaime saw Momma kiss his daughter and thus poison her. If he did, she is gone.

Killing someone for revenge is amature level revenge.

Cersei gives master classes


I imagine Cersei will torture Tyene (I think Tyene is the surviving sister) while making Ellaria watch. Maybe even poisoning one or both of them. I think Martin wouldn't dispatch them so easily with all the Dornish politics involved, but that's being largely ignored or glossed over in the show.

I'm more worried about what Euron will do to his own niece, Yara. She's likely worth little as leverage against Daenerys, and Euron seems to be written as Sea Ramsay. :(


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MannyGoblin wrote:
Hmm I can't remember if Jaime saw Momma kiss his daughter and thus poison her. If he did, she is gone.
IIRC, Jamie did'nt see it, He and Bronn were already below deck on the ship when she kissed daughter on dock.

This leads me to think. Does anyone think we will see Bronn again? I loved that roguish bastard.


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GM Niles wrote:
This leads me to think. Does anyone think we will see Bronn again? I loved that roguish bastard.

Maybe when Dany and the Dothraki attack Casterly Rock? Maybe if Jaime turns against Cersei, he'll need Bronn again (whether Bronn likes it or not)?


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Killing someone for revenge is amature level revenge.

Cersei gives master classes

.... do not tick off the Prof....


When is Sam going to be able to cast spells?


He did always want to be a wizard....

And there's a fair chance that he already did. I don't think its as simple as following the instructions. In the books anyway the citadel has a ... thing with magic.

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Didnt Highgarden have a large army? Feels like the writers have been clearing the board hastily which helps lead to a finish but isnt very satisfying IMHO.

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GM Niles wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:
MannyGoblin wrote:
Hmm I can't remember if Jaime saw Momma kiss his daughter and thus poison her. If he did, she is gone.
IIRC, Jamie did'nt see it, He and Bronn were already below deck on the ship when she kissed daughter on dock.
This leads me to think. Does anyone think we will see Bronn again? I loved that roguish bastard.

I was wrong, Jamie did see the kiss. We saw Bronn briefly last night. Great character.


Pan wrote:
Didnt Highgarden have a large army? Feels like the writers have been clearing the board hastily which helps lead to a finish but isnt very satisfying IMHO.

100% agree with this sentiment!


Pan wrote:
Didnt Highgarden have a large army? Feels like the writers have been clearing the board hastily which helps lead to a finish but isnt very satisfying IMHO.

large but demoralized poorly lead, sitting near kings landing and without naval support/transportation.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Pan wrote:
Didnt Highgarden have a large army? Feels like the writers have been clearing the board hastily which helps lead to a finish but isnt very satisfying IMHO.

large but demoralized poorly lead, sitting near kings landing and without naval support/transportation.

So the army is still out there somewhere and was not at the Highgarden fight?


Pan wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Pan wrote:
Didnt Highgarden have a large army? Feels like the writers have been clearing the board hastily which helps lead to a finish but isnt very satisfying IMHO.

large but demoralized poorly lead, sitting near kings landing and without naval support/transportation.

So the army is still out there somewhere and was not at the Highgarden fight?

Well House Tarley clearly defected but I don't know the number of forces they include.


I think the point that the Writers are trying to make (over and over) is that while Daenerys has a large army and dragons she also has a MASSIVE public opinion problem. Namely that her army is foreign and shes a relative of the "Mad King" who everyone remembers as some mythical boogeyman.

This PO problem IMHO is what caused Tarly (the best general left to Highgarden) and his men (iirc the best of Highgarden's men) to defect. I'd imagine if this were more fleshed out that a large contingent of the Tyrell aligned noble houses either went full Tarly OR just kinda sat this one out. Lady Olenna was a great "power behind the throne" player, but asking a bunch of manly men nobles to follow an old woman who is following another woman...well that's not gonna bring alot of support.

I'd like to know what's up between Varys and Mel...somethings up.

Also, wtf I missed Bronn. I'm gonna rewatch the episode. (My kids needed putting to bed around that time and so while I did pause the episode I bet that's why I missed it.)

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Bronn just shows up in a single scene riding a horse. He has no lines.

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