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CBDunkerson wrote:

Iowa power utility freezes consumer electric rates through at least 2029 - by switching to wind power

They're at 55% renewable generation now and expect to get to 90% when the current round of construction ends in a couple years. After that they're going to look at the infrastructure changes needed to get to 100% renewable. All while keeping rates steady and making a tidy profit.

Claims that we will do nothing to stop global warming because of the cost are simply out-dated. We will stop global warming because continuing with current fossil fuel based power generation would cost MORE than switching to renewable power.

The other day I was listening to a report about the cultural importance of the coal industry in the Appalachian coal country. The interviewees expressed a universal opinion that coal mining was so culturally important on a local level that their children would just never, ever stop mining coal. Living in coastal New England, I couldn't help but think of all the whaling museums we have here.

Whaling was and still is culturally important to us, but we don't do it because whale oil isn't a viable lighting source anymore. I think in 50 to 100 years we'll have coal mining museums throughout the Appalachians, but coal mining won't be how anyone earns a living at that point. Geological studies will get the same respect that Oceanological studies do here in coastal New England right now.

My point has something to do with the economic replacement of combustibles with renewable energy sources, but I still heat my house with a wood stove, so I guess I'm a hypocrite. Maybe I'm just saying we'll have to wait 50 to 100 years before people stop arguing about global warming for the sake of politics, I don't know.

Anyone ever read the book Rocket Boys, or see the movie version, called October Sky?


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Digitalelf wrote:
bookrat wrote:
Teaching them THAC0 was a challenge all on its own. There was a lot of "Dear God why would someone design it like this?!" :)

I know, right... You roll like a 12 on a d20 and then subtract that from a THAC0 of say 15, it makes it really hard to comprehend that when you take 15 and subtract 12 it means a character hits AC 3 (and above).

Man grade-school math is hard! :-P

To be fair, there were negative ACs, and I wasn't taught about negative numbers until junior high. Actually, I understood negative numbers very easily because of all the D&D I'd played. Waste of time, Dad? Waste of time?!


Samnell wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Samnell wrote:
1)-5)
If you're taking votes, mine is for Leiber.

Tried him, found the prose off-putting. Also tried The Blade Itself, which just didn't grab me at all. Reminded me too much of The Black Company and I checked into it. Found out what I read is representative of the series. Gave it up and took a break day.

I think it'll be the election book.

Here's my advice about Leiber: his writing career spanned so many decades that his style developed a lot, so the prose you found off-putting might not be typical. For instance, most collections of Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser order the stories as they occur, so you read a couple of prequel stories Leiber wrote later followed by the actual first story he ever wrote about them in 1937 and you're all, "Dude, I think Fritz Leiber had a stroke between Ill Met in Lankhmar and The Jewels in the Forest!"

Not that Lieber is a requirement if you're looking for cerebral homoerotic heroic fantasy that deals tangentially with economics and slavery, I'd suggest Tales of Neveryon by Samuel R. Delany; nothing in that description is a joke.

Say, speaking of the intersection of economics and slavery, have you ever read the Baroque Cycle by Neal Stephenson? It's a couple thousand pages all told, so I hesitate to call it light reading, but it might hit you right in the sweet spot.


They still move their legs to walk around, though, don't they?! :P


thejeff wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
Okay, but if the casters in Starfinder use wrist computers instead of spell books, will you still consider it "actual" Fantasy?

Sure. Why not?

It's high fantasy + space opera.
Like I said in my edit above, I'm not sure what you mean when you say actual fantasy. Is it as simple as calling the special power magic instead of something more sci-fi? Hell, I don't know, I guess I'm curious about what you consider the point of differentiation between actual fantasy and SF stories which aren't based in hard science.

If you want a hard fast line, with every thing "fantasy" on one side and everything "not hard SF" on the other, I can't give it to you.

It's a continuum. As I said above, Star Wars is a lot more towards fantasy then Star Trek is and I expect Starfinder to be even more on the fantasy end. This despite there being some characters in Star Trek with psi-powers and a whole gamut of weird powerful alien entities.

Or by another analogy: Cyberpunk is also not based in hard science. Shadowrun takes that and adds Fantasy to it. Makes something that's very different from normal cyberpunk. I expect Starfinder to have the same kind of relationship to space opera science fiction as Shadowrun does to cyberpunk.

I was just curious about what you meant when you said actual Fantasy. When you use Shadowrun as an example, I assume you mean elves, dwarves, orcs etc and magic, but feel free to clarify If I've got that wrong. Not to harp on the point, but Star Wars seems a lot closer to fantasy (to me) because of the genre conventions than because lightsabers are any less realistic than Vulcan mind melds, but that's true of just about all space opera vs all whatever you want call Star Trek.

It's not that I think hard and soft science fiction are mutually exclusive, it's that I think hard science fiction is an extremely specific subgenre of SF, whereas soft science fiction is less an actual subgenre of SF than a big pile of everything else. You might as well say that, given the existence of romances, every novel out there that isn't a romance is a hate-ance, y'know?.


thejeff wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
Okay, but if the casters in Starfinder use wrist computers instead of spell books, will you still consider it "actual" Fantasy?

Sure. Why not?

It's high fantasy + space opera.

Like I said in my edit above, I'm not sure what you mean when you say actual fantasy. Is it as simple as calling the special power magic instead of something more sci-fi? Hell, I don't know, I guess I'm curious about what you consider the point of differentiation between actual fantasy and SF stories which aren't based in hard science.


Okay, but if the casters in Starfinder use wrist computers instead of spell books, will you still consider it "actual" Fantasy?

Edit: I don't mean to be dickish when I ask that, I'm just curious about how wide your definition of actual fantasy is. Would you include urban fantasy like Charles De Lint's Newford novels and short stories, or is a preindustrial setting a requirement?


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Voss wrote:

Off the top of my head:

Warhammer 40,000 (literally so)
Marvel Universe / Guardians of the Galaxy
Wa... Starcraft
Star Wars
Star Trek (yes really. There isn't a drop of hard science to be found)
Farscape ('Delvian Pa'u of the ninth level' for instance is a perfect mystic)
Mass Effect

Some might choke on the casters, but theme them just a little and restrict spell choices to the universe and it isn't a problem. The magic weapon attachments certainly aren't. Just <technobabble the magictech> and its fine.

There was the time that the fans pointed out that the force of inertia would liquify the crew of a starship moving as fast as the Enterprise and Gene Roddenberry was like, "Good point, the starships all have inertial dampeners." I'm not saying we'll ever invent inertial dampeners, but I think admitting inertia exists qualifies as a drop. ;P


Orf, it would have killed you to say, "Even hypothetically?" :P


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Pick your favorite conspiracy theory and disprove BNW's hypothesis that it's obvious why the war is really happening. :)

Friends, Romans, and Countrymen: There is no such thing as a "conspiracy theory."

There are "conspiracy hypotheses" (i.e. "the CIA murdered JFK" - there's very good reason to suspect it because of other things we know, but not enough direct hard evidence).

There are "conspiracy FACTS" (i.e. The Manhattan Project/GM's maleficent takeover of Los Angeles's public transportation system/a surprise birthday party - these unequivocally happened, a group hatched a plan and carried out in secret, but if anyone said so at the time, it would have been denied up and down and they would have been called crazy).

There are "Big Lie NON-conspiracies" (i.e. Bush stealing the 2000 and 2004 elections - they didn't even TRY to keep what they did a secret, the trail of what happened is all right there, they just smeared anybody who called attention to it).

There are "conspiracy rumors" (i.e. "the WTC towers were destroyed by controlled demolitions and not airplanes" - somebody said something one time that's sort of believable if you don't have the right kind of specialized prior knowledge, but it blew up into a collective 'thing' there isn't even any POINT in anyone believing).

There are "conspiracy smears" (i.e. "Pizzagate" - the forces of malice and deception turn some meaningless small detail into a huge pearl of falsehood).

There is "conspiracy gossip" (i.e. "the moon landings were a hoax"/"Satanists are running around sacrificing Christian children" - scuttlebutt and the insecurities of the common people turn into a massive hivemind effect).

There are "conspiracy LIES" (i.e. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion/"China made up global warming to hurt American business" - I won't bother to elaborate).

There are "conspiracy fish stories" (i.e. "7-foot alien lizardmen" - the very notion that there are people who believe this is itself...

There are, however, more than enough Conspiracy Hypotheses out there, correct? ;)


Shisumo wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
2ndGenerationCleric wrote:
Shisumo wrote:

I was just running over here to make a post myself. Love them! Can't wait for the intro blogs to start!

Please note that the lashunta technomancer is sporting a complete set of clothes.

EDIT: I wish we could see Keskodai better...

Is she though? Is the green on her legs skin or leggings?

I'm pretty sure those are tights under the booty shorts, but so long as an exposed belly button is included in a complete set of clothes, I'll die a happy nerd.

Speaking seriously, I think Navasi's outfit is more sci-fi functional than Raia's. It looks like Navasi's wearing an unsealed vacc suit, which can be sealed and helmeted at a moment's notice in case of hull breach. That screams sic-fi realism at me.

Well, to be clear, I'm talking about relative to the previous standard.

Well, jeez, if you'd told me that a complete set of clothes could include no top whatsoever and the barest minimum of square inches physically required to qualify as bottoms, I would have said--

Y'know, it's Friday afternoon in my timezone, and I've been drinking after work, so I'm going to stop posting before I embarrass myself anymore than I have already.


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2ndGenerationCleric wrote:
Shisumo wrote:

I was just running over here to make a post myself. Love them! Can't wait for the intro blogs to start!

Please note that the lashunta technomancer is sporting a complete set of clothes.

EDIT: I wish we could see Keskodai better...

Is she though? Is the green on her legs skin or leggings?

I'm pretty sure those are tights under the booty shorts, but so long as an exposed belly button is included in a complete set of clothes, I'll die a happy nerd.

Speaking seriously, I think Navasi's outfit is more sci-fi functional than Raia's. It looks like Navasi's wearing an unsealed vacc suit, which can be sealed and helmeted at a moment's notice in case of hull breach. That screams sic-fi realism at me.


Neat! I'm looking forward to more info.


Oh god, fine, Iron, you're absolutely right, we should lower the voting age to 6; happy?


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I was responding to the specific allegation that Kirth is "someone who thinks things will get better if everyone just stopped voting." He's not, and I know that because of all the stupid posts we've both made on these very boards.

Of course, when I get called out like this to explain myself, I feel like we're going down a rabbit hole where the value of honesty is wasted against the value of accusation.


Kirth has never said that.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
thejeff wrote:

one of the places from which they look the same is when one is really far from the mainstream - on either side. Especially if everything is reduced to a pass/fail kind of approach - if neither party is good enough to be on the right side of the line, then both can just be dismissed as bad, even if there are still differences in how bad.

I'm aware that I'm very far from the mainstream, in thinking that the amount of the nation's total wealth being in the hands of 8 people (vs. the same amount being shared among 150 million people) is a profoundly unhealthy state, and we should work to reverse that rather than accentuate it. Most people I talk to actually agree in principle, but very few politicians do -- and very few people other than Comrade Anklebiter are willing to even think about rocking that particular boat.

And, yes, if one party's stance is "give all the money in the world to one person right now" and other's is "keep things so that the other half of the money will continue to accrue to the ultra-rich," then, yeah, they both fail.

I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that this election has once agin reminded me that when social welfare issues are the only differences between the two parties in a two party system, social welfare issues are worth voting on.

Wait, I tell a lie; in the last election it was less social welfare than basic governmental competence. I'm not saying you're wrong about the distribution of wealth in the US, but it is pretty obvious to me that there'd be a better chance of improving the day to day experience of the poor with the Democratic Party in power than with the Republican Party in power.


thejeff wrote:
Fardragon wrote:

The main thing that seems to differantiate D&D and it's decendents compared to many other rpg systems is it's focus on combat and loot. Thus I expect Starfinder to be more focused on combat and loot than other SF RPG systems.

Other than that, I don"t see any distiction between psionics, the Force, and magic spells.

So, the only real distinction you expect between say Traveller and Starfinder is more combat & loot?

I expect the difference to be far more like the difference between Cyberpunk 2020 and Shadowrun.

Not the difference between Traveller and Pathfinder? (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)

Vurt by Jeff Noon is good, and it sure as hell ain't Hard SF!


I'm not saying you're wrong Jawa, but that just mean that there's no point in differentiating between soft sci-fi and science fantasy. Before you ask, yes, George Lucas bothered me to no end when he started talking about about science fantasy and space fantasy instead of just using the genre name "space opera" like everyone had for decades at that point.

I've got no problem with posting works we suppose might inspire us to play Starfinder, but assembling an Appendix N for a RPG that hasn't been published yet is ambitious to say the least.

That said, Metropolitan by Walter Jon Williams deserves a mention.


Baron, after your following link, I just spent the better part of an hour doing google searches trying to affirm my hazy, prepubescent memories of Don-Wan Kihotay. May the Force be with you.


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nurmich wrote:
Fardragon wrote:
The Guardians of the Galaxy comics, especially the Dan Abnett run...
SAGA by Brian K. Vaughan is another stellar (hue hue hue) Space Fantasy comic series. (note that it's very adult-oriented in some of its themes and artwork)

I couldn't stand that series. I certainly didn't spend an entire weekend reading the first three collections after I happened to stumble across them, and I haven't been experiencing withdrawal symptoms during the hiatus between issues 42 and 43.

LYING.


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PaulH wrote:

Hi

Over here we have a different system - free at point of need.

Our system isn't perfect - rising healthcare costs and an ever ageing population costs. But it doesn't bankrupt you if you have a major accident or disease.

Over here we check for a pulse first, not if the patient has a credit card.

Our perception here is that your president wants to limit healthcare to the richest of society, leaving the poor out of it.

Thanks
Paul H

Speaking as a US citizen, my perception here is that our president wants to limit everything to the richest of society, leaving the poor out of it. I'm not joking when I say that.

Can I ask where you're posting from, Paul?


MMCJawa wrote:
Trump seems to be trying to shift the blame to Democrats for not supporting his act...which is to be expected but I doubt will get much mileage.

Speaking seriously, I think over the next two months, the Trump administration is going to start blaming Congress instead of the Democrats. It's going to get a bit weird, considering how often he mentioned working with Congress during his campaign. Sad thing is, I doubt his base will stop to consider the difference between his campaign promises and his actions in office, and I really doubt news outlets will put the two in any kind of historical perspective.

Yes, I just described the last two years as "historical," what can I tell you, it's been that tiring an election cycle.


thejeff wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
Sorry, I don't follow politics that much, is Bannon the Speaker, or the President? :P

He's Speaker for the President.

When Trump talks you can see Bannon's lips move.

I prefer to think that when Trumps talks I see Bannon's hands move, in the same way that when I see Kermit the Frog speak, I see Henson's hands move. Well, Whitmire since 1990, but you get my point.

Not that I think Bannon doesn't have to sound out the long words, he probably moves his lips while he reads.


Sorry, I don't follow politics that much, is Bannon the Speaker, or the President? :P


It's not what we want, it's just where we happened to end up.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Hitdice wrote:


To paraphrase Brando, "How many you got?"

I'm afraid we're going to have ample opportunity to find out.

Y'know, I was planning on an edit, but, sure, I'll reply instead. I was just name checking Brando to be snarky, but right after I hit the submit button, the I realized the truthiness of my own sarcasm.

I honestly do not believe that a Republican majority Congress under President Trump will stop clusterf!&~ing themselves to a degree that Democrats will say, "I usually vote the party line, but this time I have vote with the Republicans for the sake of the least among us." Like, ever, at all, infinity times. So, if you're still reading this Bugley, I guess my serious answer is, 2018 at earliest.


bugleyman wrote:
I'm just curious...how many GOP clusterf@&*s must Congressional Democrats unanimously oppose before people stop claiming there is "no difference" between the parties?

To paraphrase Brando, "How many you got?"


Wait, Ryan's saying he pulled the bill at Trump's request? I bet the President tweets a different story at 4 a.m. tomorrow morning. :P


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Now wait for the republicans to wait for the democrats to celebrate, get drunk, then run back home and pass it.

Already working on step two here.


Given Obi Wan's long soulful considered glance at the Lars homestead on Tatooine, I totally hope Lil Luke Skywalker doesn't show up for a cameo next season.


Sad news. :(


Kirth Gersen wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Obama did not start the war in Yemen, he intervened in an existing war. Which I believe is the pattern with all the military actions Obama has taken. OTOH, we started the war in Iraq.

One could argue that Bush Sr. didn't start Desert Storm, but merely intervened in an existing war, and that Dubya's invasion was a continuation of that conflict. I personally wouldn't buy that argument at all (well, at least not the second half of it), but one could make that argument.

One could also argue that the Afghanistan war was started by the Taliban, by sheltering Bin Laden. Most of the world, at the time, was willing to accept that interpretation. The continuation of that war is exactly what most people are now condemning.

Well, and the expansion into Iraq, but yeah.

At this point I'm much less worried about which party has started more wars while their President was in office (look, whatever, that grammatical construction is rock solid) than about how President Trump will deal with the North Korea Nuclear Warhead Delivery System issue. I really, really think Trump's term in office is going to do more harm than good.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
But have you noticed that none of the rivers are on fire lately? Thank you EPA.

1972 Clean Water Act, signed into law by Richard Nixon. You'll remember he had an (R) after his name, but was pretty far left of Clinton and Obama on a number of issues.

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Is the NSA running a satalite dish out of your colon? No? You're welcome. Any of your kids get shot in a new war? No. You're welcome.
If you're claiming that Obama did not increase NSA surveillance of American citizens, and did not continue our unending foreign warfare, I want tickets to that alternative universe.

I'm not saying either of those things didn't happen, I just don't think there was one moment where Obama decided to sign those particular executive orders because he thought it was a really great idea, if you see what I mean.

Oops, ninja'd by BNW while I was composing my post. (And going to the bathroom on the way to fetching another beer, but let's not get too personal, shall we?)


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Kirth Gersen wrote:
Knight who says Meh wrote:
Yeah but how is any of that helping Kirth?

That's exactly where the modern Democratic Party keeps falling down.

Dems: "We're helping the working class!"
Local People: "How, exactly? None of us are seeing it."
Dems: "Well, you're all bad people anyway, so we don't need to talk to you except by making snide remarks."

Trump: "I'll Make America Great Again (TM)!"
Local Pepple: "How, exactly? You people never do."
Trump: "No earthly idea! I've never been able to fix anything, and run all my companies into the ground! But I'm listening to you, and I understand your concerns."

I can't decide whether to favorite this or cry; guess I'll do both.


Irontruth wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
In short, team Trump is demonstrably incompetent. There is no 'brilliant plan' to distract the media with seeming mis-steps... they really are just this inept. Ergo, the democrats should go at them head on and let the country see 'the Donald' flailing about helplessly. Heck, some of the Republicans have started to do so.
It feels like these guys binge watched "24" and have decided they now know how the government works.

I think it's a pretty safe bet to include House of Cards. Maybe some West Wing, but c'mon, Bartlett? Not the president Trump wants to be!


CBDunkerson wrote:

Federal courts are saying Trump's new travel ban is just as unconstitutional as the first one.

Basically, you can't make a bigoted unconstitutional effort to restrict travel by members of a particular religion 'pass legal muster' no matter how much you water down and/or disguise it... the intent will always be unconstitutional.

Funny how that works. You'd have thought a former prosecutor like Giuliani would know that, but apparently not, because he went on national TV and bragged about how they were going to revise the "muslim ban" to 'make it legal'. Immigration lawyers have been using that, and other equally bone-headed statements by Trump and his advisers, to hammer them in court.

In short, team Trump is demonstrably incompetent. There is no 'brilliant plan' to distract the media with seeming mis-steps... they really are just this inept. Ergo, the democrats should go at them head on and let the country see 'the Donald' flailing about helplessly. Heck, some of the Republicans have started to do so.

. . . Butbutbut! It said right in the text this time that it wasn't discriminating on religion, and all these so called judges judicially overreached by considering its intent. He's trying really hard to make America great again you guys! :P


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thejeff wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
Vo Giap, Ambassador of Bachuan wrote:

What I saw on the news today suggested that the next likely president of South Korea will be Moon Jae-in, the chief of staff under the previous president at the end of the Sunshine Policy years.

That being said, I'm only posting because the removal of the South Korean president reminds me that it's been a while since I made a witch post.

Choi Soon-sil - Shaman or con artist?

It's kind of a right wing thing in the US to claim to be guided by supernatural powers, most of the candidates in these past primaries claimed god told them to run for president, which can only be embarrassing for god as that many people being wrong about their wishes can only lead some to doubt there's actually any supreme being and, in fact, that it's opportunistic sociopaths exploiting people's beliefs for personal gain. I'll try to avoid saying which side of the debate I fall under.

Or astrologers. Don't forget the astrologers.

But to pretend to take it more seriously for a moment, just because God wants you to run doesn't mean he wants you to win.

To quote Stephen King: “When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed, Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, "Why god? Why me?" and the thundering voice of God answered, There's just something about you that pisses me off.”


GM Niles wrote:
Oooh, that's another awesome theory. My daughter would be pumped if Rey was Sabine's daughter.

Your daughter? I myself would be pumped!


Matthew Shelton wrote:
Benjamin Medrano wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
BTW, is there a reason why they couldn't do imperial(metric)/fahrenheit(celsius) format? I mean, Numenera does that all the time so I think its doable at least .-.
I think the issue is that with the size of the book, the increased notation would actually have an impact on the length...but I could be wrong.
A short three-column chart showing temp equivalents (including Kelvin) could be integrated into the border art on some pages as needed.

Kelvin? This from the guy who asked if it ever reached -40 where I lived?! ;)


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

All that talk earlier about the importance of identity politics and no one did anything for International Women's Day except me and the other red?!?

F!++in' Democrats...

Maybe. Or maybe you're the only ones who're so insecure about your political affiliation that you're pathologically unable to go without mentioning how active you are. :P


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Matthew Shelton wrote:
You have to start at 20C = 68F. Every 5C up or down is 9F.

You can't just start at -40? :P


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Knight who says Meh wrote:
thejeff wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:

Musings:

Obsessing over "Trump voters" and "why Clinton lost" 3+ months post-election is a waste of breathable air.

That is 3+ months of time flushed into the septic field spent agonizing over nothing. Nada. Squat. Zip. Zilch. Zero. By the rules of the "great game", the Democratic Party lost again.

Get this through your thick skulls, Democratic Party: you lost and have been losing because you won't ditch your 'paymasters' - who would seem to be continuing to provide funds to a pack of losers that cannot maintain even parity with "The Enemy" inserting rawrl grawrl snarl woof woof bite chomp sound effects here.

I am amused by the common refrain of "Why are we wasting time arguing about why Democrats lost?" followed immediately by "You need to accept my explanation for why you lost."
I'm more amused by the notion this thread is actually the Democratic Party planning committee.

I really, really, really enjoy the thought of DNC staffers stumbling onto this thread and exclaiming, "ZOMG, we should have been on the Paizo message boards since before the election; we haven't considered any of this! You'd expect them to be RPG nerds, but it turns out they're the most politically informed people in the US, bar none! Hire them immediately!"

I enjoy reading and posting in this thread, but I think doing so makes about as much difference as getting sloshed and bulls**ting about politics with the rest of the barflies.


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Let's not equate sentience with human-level intelligence, though.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Tool use by the way is no longer considered an indicator of sentience.
No, but Gallup's Mirror Test is, and a number of non-humanoid animals have passed it, including elephants, dolphins, orca, magpies, ants, and quite possibly manta rays.
If ants pass this test, than I question it's value in determining sentience, something that we haven't yet nailed down that much in standards for. Manta Rays are another questionable inclusion, given that I haven't read anything substantive about manta ray behavior that would indicate sentience.

You don't think ants should rate higher on sentience than inchworms? :P

My real (admittedly, thread-derailing) question is, if you're of the opinion that we haven't yet nailed down standards of sentience, how can you differentiate between ants, manta rays, and all the less questionable inclusions on the list?

As for the role of slavery in my games, my campaign world features orcs as a slave race to one of the human empires, but there's no way I can describe it on the interwebs without sounding like a racist jerk.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
GOLD LEADER/SQUADRON Y-WINGS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
As I was watching the episode, I was thinking, "Ezra's flying a Y-wing; this is probably the best moment of Freehold's life, bar none." ;)

no.

The best moment of my life will be when I fly one.

Also, the charging up of the ion cannon seems to be canon now...

Fine, dude, "the best moment of Freehold's Life so far." That better?


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Freehold DM wrote:
GOLD LEADER/SQUADRON Y-WINGS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

As I was watching the episode, I was thinking, "Ezra's flying a Y-wing; this is probably the best moment of Freehold's life, bar none." ;)


thejeff wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I always thought that fantasy settings positing the existence of creatures that have human-level intelligence, but lack opposable thumbs or other means of using tools was kind of cruel. The pseudodragon is as smart as an average person, but has the hardest time turning pages.

Not every sentient needs to be a copy of Homo Sapiens, just because ours is the only model of sentience we're aware of, doesn't mean that every other one is going to follow that model.

Tool use by the way is no longer considered an indicator of sentience.

Not to derail the thread, but are there many examples of tool using, non-sentient species? I mean in the real world, on this earth.

For sufficiently low definitions of "tool-using".

None of those examples seemed particularly sentience exclusive, though. (Yes, since you ask, I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to think that bird nests are incubators, not "houses.")


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Kirth Gersen wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
kept saying "Shibe" all the time

Are you trying to say "Scheiße"? You're hurting my eyes!

Trivia: a native German speaker in my day would almost never use it by itself except in the sense of "worthless" ("Das ist doch alles Scheiße!"). For cussing, it's more fun when combined with other words. ("Hundescheiße" is a favorite).

In the days before battery key fobs, searching drunkenly for one's car, one might exclaim "Wo in der Teufel ist mein Scheißauto?!"

Okay, here's what I'm wondering, in the wake of many, many conversations with my German friend from boarding school back in 86-88: The word scheiße, in German, is not definitionally associated with the gastrointestinal tract the same way the word sh!t in English is, correct? 'Cause the two sound like cognates, but scheiße is much closer in meaning to schlock in Yiddish, right?

Zum Teufel, I'm sorry I hurt your eyes!


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I always thought that fantasy settings positing the existence of creatures that have human-level intelligence, but lack opposable thumbs or other means of using tools was kind of cruel. The pseudodragon is as smart as an average person, but has the hardest time turning pages.

Not every sentient needs to be a copy of Homo Sapiens, just because ours is the only model of sentience we're aware of, doesn't mean that every other one is going to follow that model.

Tool use by the way is no longer considered an indicator of sentience.

Not to derail the thread, but are there many examples of tool using, non-sentient species? I mean in the real world, on this earth.

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