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So... Gods and Magic rework? Well... Sounds boring.
Check out Lost Omens Divine Mysteries!
And I guess you can call it a rework? It'll show the new status of the pantheon following the death and shake ups to come. More will be discussed tomorrow.
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I understand. And I'll be happy to be wrong about the changes, I'm just judging from the position that the new book should be a replacement for Gods and Magic for remaster players. And most of the pantheon remains in its original place. So I'm just not expecting much change in this book, which is why AP sounds more interesting to me for now.
And I guess you can call it a rework? It'll show the new status of the pantheon following the death and shake ups to come. More will be discussed tomorrow.
There was 141 NEW deities in the original Gods & Magic, and only the core 20 have been confirmed to have only one deity dying.
They have already confirmed 1 to 3 orc deities will die at the very least (there might be more).Outside of the core 20, 40 of the 141 could die, for all we know. So yeah. We also had an handful of deities changing alignments in the past, and even though it's not a thing anymore, that do means that there COULD be deities that have BIG changes with their anathema/edicts doing a full on 180 degree turn... There could be more changes there than you think.
(Also note that teh "core 20" are a game construct, they are not a full-on "thing" in the lore. They are not an in-world pantheon. Heck, they are not even defined in the rules. It's just "the 20 deities teh Paizo people feel are the best/most important ones to be shown to new players first".)
What time is the stream supposed to be?
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What time is the stream supposed to be?
We will absolutely be advertising it, but its going to be 4pm Pacific time.
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I understand. And I'll be happy to be wrong about the changes, I'm just judging from the position that the new book should be a replacement for Gods and Magic for remaster players. And most of the pantheon remains in its original place. So I'm just not expecting much change in this book, which is why AP sounds more interesting to me for now.
And I guess you can call it a rework? It'll show the new status of the pantheon following the death and shake ups to come. More will be discussed tomorrow.There was 141 NEW deities in the original Gods & Magic, and only the core 20 have been confirmed to have only one deity dying.
They have already confirmed 1 to 3 orc deities will die at the very least (there might be more).Outside of the core 20, 40 of the 141 could die, for all we know. So yeah. We also had an handful of deities changing alignments in the past, and even though it's not a thing anymore, that do means that there COULD be deities that have BIG changes with their anathema/edicts doing a full on 180 degree turn... There could be more changes there than you think.
(Also note that teh "core 20" are a game construct, they are not a full-on "thing" in the lore. They are not an in-world pantheon. Heck, they are not even defined in the rules. It's just "the 20 deities teh Paizo people feel are the best/most important ones to be shown to new players first".)
Just a note that Core 20 are the 20 most well-known deities in the Inner Sea region.
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I can't preclude the possibility, though it feels like "one is going to die... others might shift around!" would have been a part of the teasers before now, and not a buried lede that goes unmentioned until late in the game... but then again could be they have all kinds of teasers awaiting us after the official dead god reveal stream. For example, we know that the Prismatic Ray will be changing in some way... who could say with certainty this isn't because one of the members is losing Core 20 status despite being supremely popular and relevant deities each?
(actually, on that note... do we know that the change coming to the Prismatic Ray is to it's members? Surely an ORC-minded name change would be too obvious, wouldn't it?)
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My latest crackpot theory is that the Riders of the Apocalypse (and maybe the Bound Prince) are involved, especially Szuriel (the Rider of War who sometimes receives messages from the Archdevil General of Hell BTW). So, the Core20 who will die would then likely be Gorum or Lamashtu.
I would say Gorum because of all the portents of war.
And maybe we will finally get out Daemon AP.
My latest crackpot theory is that the Riders of the Apocalypse (and maybe the Bound Prince) are involved, especially Szuriel (the Rider of War who sometimes receives messages from the Archdevil General of Hell BTW). So, the Core20 who will die would then likely be Gorum or Lamashtu.
I would say Gorum because of all the portents of war.
And maybe we will finally get out Daemon AP.
I'd enjoy that a lot!
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Only a few more hours!
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Whatever happens, I just hope that we get a more holistic approach to gods and demigods beyond the Core 20.
Golarion is just one world (albeit an important one, i.e. the cage) and it never sat right with me that there are all these regional gods who just don’t interact with the world.
I’d rather even that some deities just go by different names or emphasize different aspects of themselves than rely on artificial borders for influence.
Apep for example. Whatever happened to him?? I could see him and Alcazotz being two aspects of the same deity.
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The main thing I'm interested in is what kind of Lost Omens material we'll get. A guide to the Outer Sphere? This is my easiest guess so far, but I would be glad to hear other options.
I would love to see more notes from Tabris. What I am doing in my homebrew (they're not on the forums) is that, now that prophecy is broken, Tabris suddenly has what he hasn't felt for millennia: hope. This reality will end, he's sure of that, but who will be the Survivor is up for grabs - and he's determined that it will be him.
Anyhow, a guide to the outer planes written by Tabris would be incredible.
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I'm hoping the new AP will incorporate the new Mythic rules like the WotR AP did with the 1ED Mythic rules Paizo introduced almost 11 years ago.
TBH I hope Paizo found a way to avoid the power increase that was the bane of PF1 Mythic (because it ended up amplifying the flaws of the PF1 system).
So that we could play any PF2 AP with Mythic PCs.
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I'm hoping the new AP will incorporate the new Mythic rules like the WotR AP did with the 1ED Mythic rules Paizo introduced almost 11 years ago.TBH I hope Paizo found a way to avoid the power increase that was the bane of PF1 Mythic (because it ended up amplifying the flaws of the PF1 system).
So that we could play any PF2 AP with Mythic PCs.
I'd be SUPER happy if the new Mythic rules were PF edition agnostic so we could use a better set of Mythic rules with ANY AP.
I'm at peace with whatever is likely to happen. No matter who's revealed to die, it won't ruin my day. I'll be sad if it's some of them, I'll feel bad for other people if it's one I know they love; but it won't cause me agony.
Is anyone able to commit to giving regular updates in this thread, when something happens? Because I'll likely be refreshing it every few minutes, since there's zero chance I'll be able to watch the stream without massive delays, that hasn't been on the table for years, and I'm pretty sure that even opening Twitch will make my browser slow down to the point it's nigh-unusable, and if I try to actually WATCH something these days, I wouldn't be surprised if my computer crashes; it's very old.
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How do Grognards find the river? (stream, creek, trickle?) Is it on the U-Toob internet? I think I finally learned how the U-Toob works.
Grognard = Me
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See yall in 10 minutes!
And of course it's all a bit scuffed, and I wouldn't have it any other way. :V
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20 minutes of technical delays, then confirmation that Sturovenen is dying, Verex is dying and becoming a new Spawn of Rovagug, and that Szuriel the Rider of War is involved in the plotline. More to come!
EDIT: Some light details on the new novel, Godsrain, which now has its own store page. Mention that an ebook of the expanded Godsrain Prophecies will also be releasing later on, as will a number of short stories set amid the event. I thiiink Triumph of the Tusk, the new AP, was briefly introduced? Its store page has also gone live.
EDIT 2: The Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye has apparently tapped into divine power in some sort of unusual way, with a related Archetype. The old 1e Iconic Warpriest and Shaman were shown, representing a Cleric Class Archetype and a Rivethun Archetype, respectively. Four new deities shown - a living sword, an ascendant Mahja Firehair, a friendlier god of darkness, and a vampire deity who helps them conquer their innate weaknesses.
EDIT 3: Imminent playtests for the Commander and Guardian classes. Holy hell!
EDIT 4: Gorum is our goner, slumped and leaking shadow from a breached breastplate. Pay up, everyone!
"It's going to be 'on-screen,' at your table." The Godsrain is his blood, essence, and broken armor falling onto Golarion, with a particular note that it'll impact Belkzen.
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By "innate weaknesses" for vampires, are we talking "vampires will be harder to kill" or "vampires aren't as controlled by their desire for blood"?
Also, thank you VERY much for this, I hope your dreams tonight give you the solution to an issue you've been struggling with.
EDIT: OH THANK GOODNESS, that's the one I was most hoping for.
I am entirely okay with this.
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By "innate weaknesses" for vampires, are we talking "vampires will be harder to kill" or "vampires aren't as controlled by their desire for blood"?
Also, thank you VERY much for this, I hope your dreams tonight give you the solution to an issue you've been struggling with.
I'd assume that's things like being able to walk in sunlight again.
Glad it's handy! I've got one page left of a TTRPG to write, and I've been stumped on what to fill it with...
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My lord in iron......I WITNESS YOU!!!
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I fully expect a god of accidents, silence, and noise after this.
Well.
Spoiler: looks like rusthenge will be foreshadowing some stuff for my future campaign.
Welp, so long Gorum. Write if you find work!
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Lemme try.... Full disclosure, I only know the Weird Al version, so if the scansion assumes some unusual rhymes, that's why.
Bye, bye, Mr Our Lord In I-
Ron, found Gorum (on the forum) is the god who will die
Just to confirm: Wardens of Wildwood will take place BEFORE the Godsrain and War of Immortals right?
Right?
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Correct. Official Godsrain Releases™ will begin in July. Wildwood leads up TO July and is "business as usual".
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Relistening now to catch one detail I'd missed before: Sturovenen dies preventing a piece of the Godsrain from being used to re-open the Worldwound. He apparently explodes into a rainbow seen across Sarkoris.
:C
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Lemme try.... Full disclosure, I only know the Weird Al version, so if the scansion assumes some unusual rhymes, that's why.
Bye, bye, Mr Our Lord In I-
Ron, found Gorum (on the forum) is the god who will die
His armour's broken and there's blood from the sky
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Relistening now to catch one detail I'd missed before: Sturovenen dies preventing a piece of the Godsrain from being used to re-open the Worldwound. He apparently explodes into a rainbow seen across Sarkoris.
:C
A good death for a good deity. Pour one out.
Creative Director
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Just to confirm: Wardens of Wildwood will take place BEFORE the Godsrain and War of Immortals right?
Right?
Correct.
Curtain Call starts before those events, and then the events take place at some point during that Adventure Path, and all Adventure Paths after Curtain Call will be post-Godsrain stories.
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You know an announcement had a lot of stuff when few people are noticing the new class playtests coming April 29th!
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Yes! Do we think the Commander will be a sort of Warlord type, iterating on some of the ideas they had with the Envoy? And Guardian - the name makes me think it's a defensive type, but that's so open ended, and really it doesn't HAVE to be that.
I'm hoping for a Warlord from the Commander, a proper aggro-drawing tank in the Guardian, and for this mystery book to basically just have the stealth subtitle of "Hey, 4e Actually Had Some Good Ideas" :p
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"Hey, 4e Actually Had Some Good Ideas" :p
Your heresy has been noted ;)
Correct. Official Godsrain Releases™ will begin in July. Wildwood leads up TO July and is "business as usual".
Oh good. Because I’d prob have to change some things for the new players were it otherwise. The death of a god might be a bit too momentous for a group largely new to the setting or RPG’s in general.
Then again, given the scale of Rusthenge’s threat, maybe they’ll become accustomed to epic plotlines.
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It feels like Gorum is one of the easiest of the core 20 to replace in terms of "how it affects normal people's lives." Since if you're going to be involved in a life-and-death battle over something you can always pray to someone who is related to the reason you're fighting rather than the actual god of fighting.
If you actually find yourself in a "gods, please let me survive this" sort of situation, well that's where Arazni coming into the Core 20 makes sense.