Doomsday Dawn was about AucturnYes but the Dominion was involved, and wasn't the overarching plot something to do with the sun??
I don't remember anything particular about the sun... there was a Starfinder adventure a few years about involving the sun, but I only remember Doomsday being about Aucturn and potentially eating Golarion... at least those are what stick.
My Perceptions:
1. War between Andoran and Cheliax, as that has been gearing up in the background of the Lost Omens books for a while.
2. Was Sky King's Tomb
3. Maybe Seven Dooms, Maybe something else.
4. Possibly hinting at the death of Sarenrae, or this could be a call back to Doomsday Dawn because wasn't the plot there about the Dominion of the Black trying to consume the sun or some such??
5. Curtain Call
6. Season of Ghosts
7. The War of Immortals Event
8. Wardens of Wildwood
9. This one I am not honestly sure about.
10. Seven Dooms maybe
11. I think this is tied to the Starstone, due to other information regarding the Ashen Man, AND other info from the Absalom book
12. Unsure, but I am down for anything that reshapes the face of Golarion once again, but I would hope most for Sakoris/Azlanti stuff.
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A sun already died it's a burning sun orc.
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Ultimate power in almost countless hands... has anyone guessed this might be tied to the Exrmplar class? A spark of true divinity put in the hands of an untold number of mortals?
I mean, I guess they're all adventure clues not class hints, but maybe there's an adventure that officially unleashes Exemplar upon the canon?
A sun already died it's a burning sun orc.My Perceptions:
1. War between Andoran and Cheliax, as that has been gearing up in the background of the Lost Omens books for a while.
2. Was Sky King's Tomb
3. Maybe Seven Dooms, Maybe something else.
4. Possibly hinting at the death of Sarenrae, or this could be a call back to Doomsday Dawn because wasn't the plot there about the Dominion of the Black trying to consume the sun or some such??
5. Curtain Call
6. Season of Ghosts
7. The War of Immortals Event
8. Wardens of Wildwood
9. This one I am not honestly sure about.
10. Seven Dooms maybe
11. I think this is tied to the Starstone, due to other information regarding the Ashen Man, AND other info from the Absalom book
12. Unsure, but I am down for anything that reshapes the face of Golarion once again, but I would hope most for Sakoris/Azlanti stuff.
13. More Runelords Shenanigans, brought to you by Xhanderghul!
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Oh???A sun already died it's a burning sun orc.My Perceptions:
1. War between Andoran and Cheliax, as that has been gearing up in the background of the Lost Omens books for a while.
2. Was Sky King's Tomb
3. Maybe Seven Dooms, Maybe something else.
4. Possibly hinting at the death of Sarenrae, or this could be a call back to Doomsday Dawn because wasn't the plot there about the Dominion of the Black trying to consume the sun or some such??
5. Curtain Call
6. Season of Ghosts
7. The War of Immortals Event
8. Wardens of Wildwood
9. This one I am not honestly sure about.
10. Seven Dooms maybe
11. I think this is tied to the Starstone, due to other information regarding the Ashen Man, AND other info from the Absalom book
12. Unsure, but I am down for anything that reshapes the face of Golarion once again, but I would hope most for Sakoris/Azlanti stuff.
13. More Runelords Shenanigans, brought to you by Xhanderghul!
This event is mentioned in a spoiler on a post of the first page of this thread.
Something I thought I would add is a development that has happened in PFS2 4-15 In Glorious Battle. Massive Spoilers for the ending:
** spoiler omitted **
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8) A pale cataclysm ravages the lands, leaving corruption and tangled thorns in its wake. A group of tangled thorns is called a briar, and we know what that means. Our boy Treerazer is about to make his play for full demon lord status. He may or may not have an ally in Tar-Baphon, who would benefit from the living being weakened and who would have a vested interest in getting a dangerous rival off of Golarion.
Well, I think we know what this one is about now.
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It just goes to show how long the planning process for APs and Adventures actually is.
Most everything they do is a couple years in the pipeline. The fact that the Remaster went as smoothly as it did is something of a miracle.
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Funny to think how all of these must have been come up before OGL debacle despite lot of them being written afterwards
Long before the OGL debacle, but the OGL debacle has no real effect on them, or the plans we had for them, for the most part.
I've always had a general idea of a dozen or so Adventure Paths bumping around in my head, and have long kept a spreadsheet that keeps track of them out to 4 or 5 years into the future, from the very start. Those things change all the time, but mostly in the order in which they happen, so it was honestly not all that tough to come up with the vague threats Luis and I came up with for this section of Stolen Fate.
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Always fun to see folks come back to this! With each Adventure Path we do that fills one of those predictions, of course, we have fewer to pull from, and I can confirm we are now in an era where some of the current and upcoming Adventure Paths are NOT ones that were foreshadowed by this section in Stolen Fate #3. I can also confirm that they're not all done. In fact, I'm currently working on two unannounced Adventure Paths that are ones I've wanted to do for years that both have hints in this paragraph...
Still... love seeing folks put these pieces together!
As for your specific nominations, Kalvor, I can confirm you got them all except Wardens of Wildwood... I believe that one's one of those "new plots we weren't planning on at the time of Stolen Fate" examples I mentioned.
Standalone adventures don't really figure into this. They COULD, but they haven't so far.
As for the four phrases you haven't connect to yet.. stay tuned!
It's been a while since this thread was last updated, so I wanted to recap the progress of these predictions and what each story means.
Sky King Tomb: I think it has to do with the line "Great legacies reclaimed when they were thought lost", given the ending of this story.
Season of Ghosts: definitely "A humble village grows where there was nothing before", there are very few alternatives.
Seven Dooms of Sandpoint: no alternatives "An immense red bird rains fire on a small town"
Wardens of Wildwood: it's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what line is hinting at these events. Maybe "The return of great evils thought lost to time"?
Curtain Call: in the case of this story, I think the correct comparison would be "Beloved mortal entertainers make some deities laugh with delight, but others consume them and choke them with cruelty". Fits the operatic theme and direct involvement with the gods very well.
Triumph of the Tusk: It's hard to pin down given how little we know about these events. Maybe "Old gods fall and new gods rise in their place" or "Ultimate power within the grasp of almost countless hands" given the general events of the War of the Immortals that will be touched upon here?
Spore War: No guesswork here, it's definitely "A pale cataclysm ravages the lands, leaving corruption and tangled thorns in its wake".
Shades of Blood: Even given how little we know right now, this is an easy guess. "New lands rise from the ashes of ancient civilizations".
This leaves me with a few questions. Where do Rusthenge, Prey for Death, and the new Gravelands adventure fit into this paradigm? Anyone have any clues?
And of course, we still have a few phrases that I didn't connect to anything:
1) Two great powers declare war, and many neighbors have to pick sides
2) The sun destroyed
3) They see countless spirits shrieking in agony
4) A crowned phoenix with a peacock tail, whose return heralds vengeance upon the worldI'm most interested in events 1 and 4, to be honest. I like big wars...
Two is the new orc deities.
I'm still holding out hope for our return to Mzali and the chance to shove Walkena in a locker. It feels like a slam dunk for a Mythic AP.
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Plus, from what little we've seen of Spore War, the two great powers going to war is KIND of adjacent to it, as you're initially ambassadors from Kyonin trying to stop this war from occuring, but then Treerazer (Lord of the Blasted Tarn and Wielder of the Blackaxe?!) crashes the party and ruins everything.
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(Spends a Mythic Point to cast Thread Necro)
War of Immortals has thrown a lot of things into sharper relief, and others on their heads. I love it.
Eight of the thirteen have been revealed. That leaves five remaining. The Final Five.
(Insert "All Along the Watchtower" here)
1) Two great powers declare war, and many neighbors have to pick sides. This is almost certainly Andoran and Cheliax. The Godsrain is the last straw, and also possibly a reason for some alliances. Few would really want Cheliax to get a power boost, but not many would be too happy with Andoran getting one either. Some countries will have to pick their poison. Moreover, I still maintain that this one is coming soon. Most likely with Battlecry or directly after.
(Side-note: I love the thematic buildup to this. We have two back-to-back APs about diplomats and diplomacy, so showing what happens when that fails works. That we have at least one breather AP helps prevent weariness)
[Side-side-note: the Triumph of the Tusk / Spore War APs would make for a great 1-20 campaign. Why wouldn't a group of heroic diplomats who make a name for themselves helping the orcs be invited to a proto-U.N. summit in Kyonin?]
3) The return of great evils thought lost to time. James has revealed that this one's still in play. War of Immortals reveals that a great many sealed or believed defeated evils are stirring. Seriously: there are years worth of juicy plot threads, each of which could support a magnificent AP. I don't have a guess yet.
4) The sun destroyed. Walkena has been empowered by the Godsrain, and he's coming for Vidrian. I think it's time for the Bright Lions to make their big move, before the Expanse is engulfed in war.
6) They see countless spirits shrieking in agony. The Lamentations in Ninshabur (in northern Casmaron) are the result of wailing spirits, and some think that a new Spawn of Rovagug is coming. Referring to Verex-That-Was, perhaps?
13) A crowned phoenix with a peacock tail, whose return heralds vengeance upon the world. I maintain that this is Xanderghul. He gets his hands on one of the shards somehow, and it empowers him back to where he's a problem.
Aren't the vampires in Shades of Blood trying to destroy the sun?
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Man, do I want that Bright Lions AP.
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I was assuming they're referring to Triumph of the Tusk and Spore War.
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While Spore War has a diplomat focused beginning, it is very much not "go do diplomacy all the time after the first part of the first adventure." I wouldn't call it an AP about diplomats and diplomacy, any more than I'd call Abomination Vaults an AP about exploring above-ground ruins.
While Spore War has a diplomat focused beginning, it is very much not "go do diplomacy all the time after the first part of the first adventure." I wouldn't call it an AP about diplomats and diplomacy, any more than I'd call Abomination Vaults an AP about exploring above-ground ruins.
Do you think Triumph and Spore War thematically make sense for the same party to play through both?
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While Spore War has a diplomat focused beginning, it is very much not "go do diplomacy all the time after the first part of the first adventure." I wouldn't call it an AP about diplomats and diplomacy, any more than I'd call Abomination Vaults an AP about exploring above-ground ruins.Do you think Triumph and Spore War thematically make sense for the same party to play through both?
That would probably be tricky, in part because Triumph ends at a higher level than Spore War starts, if I recall correctly.
IMO, there looks to be closer thematic ties between Wardens of Wildwood and Spore War than between Triumph of the Tusk and Spore War.
The issue about Wardens ending at a higher level than Spore War starts is pretty much the same, however.
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A crowned phoenix with a peacock tail, whose return heralds vengeance upon the world.
Xanderghul returns in Revenge of the Runelords!
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1) Two great powers declare war, and many neighbors have to pick sides.4) The sun destroyed.
Strangely, or perhaps coincidentally enough, these 2 can be seen as fulfilled in one of the Starfinder playtest adventures (Empires Devoured), at least if the PCs fail.
I suspect this is just a coincidence, and the prophecies are meant to be satisfied solely in the Pathfinder product line.
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1) Two great powers declare war, and many neighbors have to pick sides.4) The sun destroyed.
Strangely, or perhaps coincidentally enough, these 2 can be seen as fulfilled in one of the Starfinder playtest adventures (Empires Devoured), at least if the PCs fail.
I suspect this is just a coincidence, and the prophecies are meant to be satisfied solely in the Pathfinder product line.
100% coincidence, since these were all specifically written by Luis and I to aim at actual Adventure Path plots for Pathfinder that were either already on the schedule or that I knew I wanted to do at some point in the years to come.
And just so folks know... "The sun destroyed" prophecy hasn't yet been announced. It isn't "Shades of Blood" which is not one we knew we were going to do at the time that we were writing these prophecies (and it's not really about destroying the sun anyway... just covering it up a little bit...).