Could everyone please wait until books officially release before asking questions?

[Cordell Kintner]

Look I get it, sometimes things aren't clear and you have a question about it, but not everyone has a subscription and gets the PDF early. By flooding the rules forums with questions before the majority of the population even has the book, you're excluding them from any conversations, which could result in only a few loud voices essentially dictating what the rules are because they were "First".

This goes for any book; Please just wait. SoM officially comes on the 25th, which is only 3 more days. I'm sure you can either come up with a solution to your questions, or figure out a better way to word them by then.

[Ezekieru]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Look I get it, sometimes things aren't clear and you have a question about it, but not everyone has a subscription and gets the PDF early. By flooding the rules forums with questions before the majority of the population even has the book, you're excluding them from any conversations, which could result in only a few loud voices essentially dictating what the rules are because they were "First".

This goes for any book; Please just wait. SoM officially comes on the 25th, which is only 3 more days. I'm sure you can either come up with a solution to your questions, or figure out a better way to word them by then.

It officially comes out on September 1st, btw. Paizo's site hasn't updated the new date, but they announced it on Twitter.

[Aw3som3-117]

I mean... it's just a forum. Nothing on here is official anyway. It's just people talking about the game they love. I don't see why someone should have to wait until everyone has access to the book to ask an open question to those interested in talking about it. It may lead to incorrect conclusions, but don't all of these forums have that possibility?

[Squiggit]

I get waiting to get into detailed rules discussions, but the notion that whoever makes a ruling first somehow takes precedent is a really weird idea and not really consistent with how any of these discussions have ever worked.

[Cordell Kintner]

Squiggit wrote:

I get waiting to get into detailed rules discussions, but the notion that whoever makes a ruling first somehow takes precedent is a really weird idea and not really consistent with how any of these discussions have ever worked.

If someone makes an incorrect ruling, then someone points that out to the OP later they would likely point at the incorrect forum post as "proof". It happens, I have seen it, and I hate it. People latch onto the first bit of "official" info they can get, especially if it feeds into confirmation bias, then they will ask why YOU didn't weigh in back when the question was initially asked.

Ezekieru wrote:

It officially comes out on September 1st, btw. Paizo's site hasn't updated the new date, but they announced it on Twitter.

Oh that's unfortunate.

[Gisher]

I'm very happy that people are already taking about the book.

[thenobledrake]

Nope. Bad idea, toss it out.

Instead, suggest people make it clear that the topic of their thread is a book that only subscribers have so far so that people that don't want to open a rules question thread about a book they don't have access to are even less likely to open them than they already are with thoughts like "Spellheart clarification? What's a Spellheart, I've never heard of that... maybe it's from that book I don't have yet, I'll skip that thread for now."

No one is being "excluded" from anything, at least not unless they listen to the OP and are thus excluded from asking whatever question about they game they feel like asking just like everyone else can on this forum. If you really can't personally handle a topic not being expressly for you... that's not anyone else's problem to deal with; you are in control of you, and which threads you open on whichever forums you choose to visit, so have the discussions you want to and let everyone else do the same.

[Steve Geddes]

I don't know if it's changed, but several years back Paizo asked people not to share details from the book until the streetdate.

I don't think "forum confusion" is a big deal, but if that's still their preference I'd honour the request, personally.

[HumbleGamer]

Ezekieru wrote:

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Look I get it, sometimes things aren't clear and you have a question about it, but not everyone has a subscription and gets the PDF early. By flooding the rules forums with questions before the majority of the population even has the book, you're excluding them from any conversations, which could result in only a few loud voices essentially dictating what the rules are because they were "First".

This goes for any book; Please just wait. SoM officially comes on the 25th, which is only 3 more days. I'm sure you can either come up with a solution to your questions, or figure out a better way to word them by then.

It officially comes out on September 1st, btw. Paizo's site hasn't updated the new date, but they announced it on Twitter.

Good to know, but updating the website would have been a good thing ( I was waiting for the 25 too).

As for asking questions, I am fine with it ( and glad to read about the book from either paizo and reddit forums), though I understand Cordell point of view.

In addition to this, the larger the pool of people who takes part into a conversation ( people who have access to the book in this specific case), the better. It's not rare to see users who rarely post on boards to come up with a good reasoning or even a solution for the answer itself.

Soo... Carry on...

[breithauptclan]

I don't think we can or should ask people to not discuss or ask questions about books that haven't been officially released.

What I would like is for people who ask rules questions to quote the relevant rules in their question. Otherwise those who don't have the rules are left wondering, and left out of the conversation.

But that can end up being a lot of extra typing that the poster has to do.

[HumbleGamer]

What about nethys?

Is it going to be updated past September 1th or when the people who work on it get their copy ( not sure whether there's some agreement with paizo)?

[Gisher]

breithauptclan wrote:

I don't think we can or should ask people to not discuss or ask questions about books that haven't been officially released.

What I would like is for people who ask rules questions to quote the relevant rules in their question. Otherwise those who don't have the rules are left wondering, and left out of the conversation.

But that can end up being a lot of extra typing that the poster has to do.

I think people are avoiding direct quotes because Paizo has asked people not to post directly from the text.

[Gisher]

HumbleGamer wrote:

What about nethys?

Is it going to be updated past September 1th or when the people who work on it get their copy ( not sure whether there's some agreement with paizo)?

It's the official rules website for Paizo now. It seems to me that they usually have the rules up pretty quickly after the books go on sale.

[Perpdepog]

Gisher wrote:

HumbleGamer wrote:

What about nethys?

Is it going to be updated past September 1th or when the people who work on it get their copy ( not sure whether there's some agreement with paizo)?

It's the official rules website for Paizo now. It seems to me that they usually have the rules up pretty quickly after the books go on sale.

Advanced Player's Guide info dropped on AoN the same midnight it was released in PDF form, for example.

[pauljathome]

Ezekieru wrote:

It officially comes out on September 1st, btw. Paizo's site hasn't updated the new date, but they announced it on Twitter.

Paizo REALLY has to learn to communicate better. Its kind of crazy when their own store doesn't have the correct information.

[thenobledrake]

pauljathome wrote:

Ezekieru wrote:

It officially comes out on September 1st, btw. Paizo's site hasn't updated the new date, but they announced it on Twitter.

Paizo REALLY has to learn to communicate better. Its kind of crazy when their own store doesn't have the correct information.

The store currently says "PDF available Wednesday" and with PDF availability known to be tied to street date... seems like their own store does have the correct information, even besides that the store and the blog they announced the delay on are the same website.

[Ravingdork]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Please just wait.

Respectfully, I must decline your invitation to abstain.

[pauljathome]

thenobledrake wrote:

pauljathome wrote:

Ezekieru wrote:

It officially comes out on September 1st, btw. Paizo's site hasn't updated the new date, but they announced it on Twitter.

Paizo REALLY has to learn to communicate better. Its kind of crazy when their own store doesn't have the correct information.

The store currently says "PDF available Wednesday" and with PDF availability known to be tied to street date... seems like their own store does have the correct information, even besides that the store and the blog they announced the delay on are the same website.

Uh, what blog is that? The previous poster said it was announced on twitter.

So, I went to the paizo site and am looking through the list of blogs, I've gone as far back as July 21st and, at least from the synopsis, NONE of them mention the release date of Secrets of Magic

I'd thought that the street date being delayed ALSO meant that the pdf was also delayed. Ie, I thought that the pdf would NOT be available this Wednesday. If that isn't correct then I, at least, am happy (I don't plan on buying the actual physical book). But if the pdf IS delayed then their store has the wrong information.

Going through their home page and clicking on New Releases, it tells me that the book is available from Paizo in 11 to 20 business days and the pdf is available Wednesday. Doesn't even tell me what the street date is (which seems to support my opinion that Paizo needs to learn to communicate better).

Edit: Went and looked at the product discussion thread and I'm not the only one confused as to when the pdf will be available.

I stand by my opinion : Paizo needs to learn how to communicate better. There shouldn't be confusion as to when products will be available. Using Social media is fine but the actual web store should be clear and up to date as well.

Paizo currently has too many places that it disseminates information on release schedules. They need to pick at least one which is guaranteed to be as accurate and up to date as possible at all times. Their store would seem to me to be a reasonable place for that information to be.

[thenobledrake]

pauljathome wrote:

Uh, what blog is that?

I don't follow Paizo on twitter, and I read the announcement that the releases were being delayed so I feel like there must have been something on their site (the only place I get Paizo news of any kind) though I too cannot find the post at this point.

One thing I can agree on here is that Paizo's website is, to put it lightly, a big mess even when it isn't randomly non-functional.

[Gilbin]

thenobledrake wrote:

pauljathome wrote:

Uh, what blog is that?

I don't follow Paizo on twitter, and I read the announcement that the releases were being delayed so I feel like there must have been something on their site (the only place I get Paizo news of any kind) though I too cannot find the post at this point.

One thing I can agree on here is that Paizo's website is, to put it lightly, a big mess even when it isn't randomly non-functional.

It's in the product discussion thread Here

[Gisher]

Gilbin wrote:

thenobledrake wrote:

pauljathome wrote:

Uh, what blog is that?

I don't follow Paizo on twitter, and I read the announcement that the releases were being delayed so I feel like there must have been something on their site (the only place I get Paizo news of any kind) though I too cannot find the post at this point.

One thing I can agree on here is that Paizo's website is, to put it lightly, a big mess even when it isn't randomly non-functional.

It's in the product discussion thread Here

But at the top of that thread, it still says that the PDF will be available this Wednesday.

[Squiggit]

It's in the customer service thread on the subject, on Paizo's twitter and is talked about in the product discussion page.

But I can't blame people for being confused, since the store page still says the 25th and the other sources are kind of buried.

[pauljathome]

Gilbin wrote:

thenobledrake wrote:

pauljathome wrote:

Uh, what blog is that?

I don't follow Paizo on twitter, and I read the announcement that the releases were being delayed so I feel like there must have been something on their site (the only place I get Paizo news of any kind) though I too cannot find the post at this point.

One thing I can agree on here is that Paizo's website is, to put it lightly, a big mess even when it isn't randomly non-functional.

It's in the product discussion thread Here

Thank you for the cite.

But I think I rest my case. Posting this as post #436 in a thread that currently has 783 posts shows that they really DO need to learn to communicate better :-).

To be clear, I'm NOT ragging on individuals like Aaron who are just trying to be helpful and informative. I'm saying that paizo has systemic problems

[Zapp]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Could everyone please wait until books officially release before asking questions?

Ehm - no?

[Malk_Content]

pauljathome wrote:

Gilbin wrote:

thenobledrake wrote:

pauljathome wrote:

Uh, what blog is that?

I don't follow Paizo on twitter, and I read the announcement that the releases were being delayed so I feel like there must have been something on their site (the only place I get Paizo news of any kind) though I too cannot find the post at this point.

One thing I can agree on here is that Paizo's website is, to put it lightly, a big mess even when it isn't randomly non-functional.

It's in the product discussion thread Here

Thank you for the cite.

But I think I rest my case. Posting this as post #436 in a thread that currently has 783 posts shows that they really DO need to learn to communicate better :-).

To be clear, I'm NOT ragging on individuals like Aaron who are just trying to be helpful and informative. I'm saying that paizo has systemic problems

It's stuff like this that is very poor. I remember when they cancelled the pacg, they did it by announcing in the society play section that they wouldn't be continuing pacg society play.