They mentioned in a not-a-promise way that they'd like to get it out by the 30th of this month.
I remember reading that back in early March too :(
Well I wish they would hurry up. I have a stack of rulings I'd like to retire becasue there are a fair number of loop holes, and just vague wording.
https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Has a change listened now to Battle Medicine. Did they stealth-drop the errata? Battle Medicine now needs Healers Tools and a free hand.
Were do you see the hand requirement?
"...or wearing..." works perfectly fine with a bandolier.
https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Has a change listened now to Battle Medicine. Did they stealth-drop the errata? Battle Medicine now needs Healers Tools and a free hand.
If they stealth dropped it there weren't many changes and I would be grumpy because there is a LOT not accounted for. :p
I expect this is just a random change someone slipped in.
https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Has a change listened now to Battle Medicine. Did they stealth-drop the errata? Battle Medicine now needs Healers Tools and a free hand.
Were do you see the hand requirement?
"...or wearing..." works perfectly fine with a bandolier.
Yes, but previously it did not require it* nor a free hand. Now it requires you to have a kit and a free hand (or kit-in-hand) which is a pretty significant change.
*In the sense that it was not listed and by the way the book told us how to read things, that meant that it was not required in any way.
Yeah It looks like you need at least one hand to for the kit, possibly 2 if the kit isn't in a bandoleer but we don't know for sure.
Still don't get it were you all read the hand requirement from...
https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Has a change listened now to Battle Medicine. Did they stealth-drop the errata? Battle Medicine now needs Healers Tools and a free hand.
Were do you see the hand requirement?
"...or wearing..." works perfectly fine with a bandolier.
Yes, but previously it did not require it* nor a free hand. Now it requires you to have a kit and a free hand (or kit-in-hand) which is a pretty significant change.
*In the sense that it was not listed and by the way the book told us how to read things, that meant that it was not required in any way.
It says:
Page 258: In Battle Medicine, change the Requirements entry to “You are holding or wearing healer's tools.” Change the second sentence of the effect to “Attempt a Medicine check with the same DC as for Treat Wounds, and restore a corresponding amount of Hit Points; this does not remove the wounded condition.”
That first part is a new edition and it seems weird that change got made without any announcement, but the fact that it includes "wearing healer's tools" really does nothing to resolve the number of hands issue. IF the intention is that the manipulate trait requires a free hand unless the ability specifies otherwise, that aspect of the rules still requires changing.
https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Has a change listened now to Battle Medicine. Did they stealth-drop the errata? Battle Medicine now needs Healers Tools and a free hand.
Were do you see the hand requirement?
"...or wearing..." works perfectly fine with a bandolier.
Yes, but previously it did not require it* nor a free hand. Now it requires you to have a kit and a free hand (or kit-in-hand) which is a pretty significant change.
*In the sense that it was not listed and by the way the book told us how to read things, that meant that it was not required in any way.
In the APG I see a few places that note battle medcine needing to have the healing kit held or worn so presumably loaded into your bandolier is fine.
Actually, the Bandolier doesn't reduce the number of hands, either, it simply:
"A bandolier can be dedicated to a full set of tools, such as healer’s tools, allowing you to draw the tools as part of the action that requires them."
Healers Tools require *two hands* to use. That means Battle Medicine now requires *two hands* to use.
Now, Alchemy Tools *also* require 2 hands, but the Quick Alchemy ability grants them an exception stating you only need one free hand.
Best answer, also. Gonna be a big change for some of my players. Springing this on them tomorrow lol.
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Well, they went for the worst possible version of Battle Medicine, which I kind of had a feeling was going to happen. Looks like it goes in the trash pile.
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How did people imagine battle medicine working without your hands free and a healer's kit?
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How did people imagine battle medicine working without your hands free and a healer's kit?
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How did people imagine battle medicine working without your hands free and a healer's kit?
Rules abstraction. There's literally four six hundred posts+ about it in other threads.
https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Has a change listened now to Battle Medicine. Did they stealth-drop the errata? Battle Medicine now needs Healers Tools and a free hand.
This is just the small batch of errata that was published last year with the "Mutagenic Flashback". Nothing new or pertaining the current discussions.
The new errata we're talking about was a bigger one involving other aspects that required more effort and analysis. Some of us, me included, expects some changes to the alchemist to make it less janky, hopefully make it more fun and in line with other classes (Fighters and Rogues have amazing base chassis on top of cool and interesting feats, meanwhile the Alchemist has a weak chassis and lackluster feats on top of not being a spellcaster to compensate the lack of feats and proficiency).
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How did people imagine battle medicine working without your hands free and a healer's kit?
Preferably in a way that didn’t require potentially SIX ACTIONS TO USE A FEAT ONCE PER DAY ON SOMEONE.
The bandolier doesn’t reduce the number of hands necessary to use a tool kit. Therefore, it takes two hands.
BUT WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE HANDS BUT TENTACLES OR JUST USE PSIONICS TO LEVITATE THINGS HUH HUH
I mean, what if you’re a sentient bag? How do you heal yourself with Battle Medicine now?
This is just the small batch of errata that was published last year with the "Mutagenic Flashback".
Is there a link to that as a separate list? Or was it just integrated in a way that you have to do a line-by-line comparison to find out what has changed?
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This is just the small batch of errata that was published last year with the "Mutagenic Flashback".Is there a link to that as a separate list? Or was it just integrated in a way that you have to do a line-by-line comparison to find out what has changed?
As far as I can tell they are just integrated in. I never heard about this Errata at all.
As far as I can tell they are just integrated in. I never heard about this Errata at all.
Me either, and I'm a pretty avid reader of rules stuff on this board.
It got snuck in in the last two days. I just checked the FAQ on Wednesday for my game, and there was nothing on it about this.
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Maybe it is still a work in progress then. I can't imagine they'd have completed their errata and not blog posted about it.
Actually, the Bandolier doesn't reduce the number of hands, either, it simply:
"A bandolier can be dedicated to a full set of tools, such as healer’s tools, allowing you to draw the tools as part of the action that requires them."
Healers Tools require *two hands* to use. That means Battle Medicine now requires *two hands* to use.
Now, Alchemy Tools *also* require 2 hands, but the Quick Alchemy ability grants them an exception stating you only need one free hand.
This is completely incorrect. You do not need the Healer's Tools in hand to use Battle Medicine. If you did implicitly need it (which you don't), you would also need Alchemy Tools in hand for Quick Alchemy, despite what it says. Neither are true.
However, this doesn't resolve wherever it needs a free hand, unless it's resolved by lack of text regarding it.
Actually, the Bandolier doesn't reduce the number of hands, either, it simply:
"A bandolier can be dedicated to a full set of tools, such as healer’s tools, allowing you to draw the tools as part of the action that requires them."
Healers Tools require *two hands* to use. That means Battle Medicine now requires *two hands* to use.
Now, Alchemy Tools *also* require 2 hands, but the Quick Alchemy ability grants them an exception stating you only need one free hand.
This is completely incorrect. You do not need the Healer's Tools in hand to use Battle Medicine. If you did implicitly need it (which you don't), you would also need Alchemy Tools in hand for Quick Alchemy, despite what it says. Neither are true.
However, this doesn't resolve wherever it needs a free hand, unless it's resolved by lack of text regarding it.
Huh? that's a very odd way to interpret a set of rules.
Since battle medicine now requires that you have a healers kit or have access to it, it necessarily means that some amount of hands free are required and a healers kit is required.
it probably should be changed to say holding a healers kit or wearing a healer's kit with at least one hand free. Even though i think that is obvious when all the various rules are considered and applied.
It got snuck in in the last two days. I just checked the FAQ on Wednesday for my game, and there was nothing on it about this.
It was released in a PDF. Now it was added to the website. If you used the Archive of Nethys or the Pathbuilder2e app, you wouldn't notice without previous knowledge.
It was the update 1.0 released 30/10/2019.
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgzq?Core-Rulebook-Errata-Round-1
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It got snuck in in the last two days. I just checked the FAQ on Wednesday for my game, and there was nothing on it about this.It was released in a PDF. Now it was added to the website. If you used the Archive of Nethys or the Pathbuilder2e app, you wouldn't notice without previous knowledge.
It was the update 1.0 released 30/10/2019.
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgzq?Core-Rulebook-Errata-Round-1
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https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Has a change listened now to Battle Medicine. Did they stealth-drop the errata? Battle Medicine now needs Healers Tools and a free hand.
I believe it slipped into a site update ahead of the actual next errata, where it would be announced.
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The change to Battle Medicine requiring Healers Tools was absolutely not in this document.LinkifiedIt got snuck in in the last two days. I just checked the FAQ on Wednesday for my game, and there was nothing on it about this.It was released in a PDF. Now it was added to the website. If you used the Archive of Nethys or the Pathbuilder2e app, you wouldn't notice without previous knowledge.
It was the update 1.0 released 30/10/2019.
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgzq?Core-Rulebook-Errata-Round-1
I did not claim that it was. I was merely making some relevant links clickable.
In Battle Medicine, change the Requirements entry to “You are holding or wearing healer's tools.”
Thought I remembered that bit of errata being different. With the new requirements, I think that means it's time to break some unfortunate news to some healers.
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It was released in a PDF. Now it was added to the website. If you used the Archive of Nethys or the Pathbuilder2e app, you wouldn't notice without previous knowledge.
It was the update 1.0 released 30/10/2019.
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgzq?Core-Rulebook-Errata-Round-1
No, that change is NOT in that PDF. There IS an errata entry for Battle Medicine in that PDF, but it does not include the first sentence. Here it is in its entirety
Page 258: In Battle Medicine, change the second sentence to “Attempt a Medicine check with the same DC as for Treat Wounds, and restore a corresponding amount of Hit Points; this does not remove the wounded condition.”
This is what the FAQ page says now: (and apparently did not say on Wednesday)
Page 258: In Battle Medicine, change the Requirements entry to “You are holding or wearing healer's tools.” Change the second sentence of the effect to “Attempt a Medicine check with the same DC as for Treat Wounds, and restore a corresponding amount of Hit Points; this does not remove the wounded condition.”
That's why those of us who are active on these boards are surprised: The FAQ page has errata that are
a) not included in the PDF for Round 1 Errataand
b) have not been announced anywhere on these boards.
That means that you have to go line by line through a six-page document comparing each line to see if a few new words have been included.
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isn't that a good thing though?
Not really. If its supposed to be used in combat (cough BATTLE medicine) then the total action cost to stop what you're doing, meet the requirements, activate it, and reset, then it should be comparable in speed to other things you can do in combat.
If it takes 5 actual actions to setup, execute, and reset, then its not an in-combat option and the fact that it's listed as 1 action is misleading.
