How do you free a posssessed creature?


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Whether it be by a demon or just a psychic with the possession spell. For the demon I imagine you can dismiss or banish it (unless your in the Abyss already), but what about for psychic or the like casting it? Can it just be dispelled like a normal spell?


I was going to give the obvious answer, and . . . Well, what do you know: The AD&D 1st Edition Exorcism spell got lost somewhere along the evolutionary path leading to Pathfinder.

The description of Magic Jar (but not of its successor spells in the Possession series) says that it is subject to Dispel Magic at either the focus or the host body.

Sunbeam or Sunburst will drive an Invidiak (Shadow Demon) out of its host, but that is specific to that creature.

Ghost's Malevolence works like Magic Jar but without a focus.


I believe Magic Circle of Protection from Evil helps.

Antimagic Field should suppress the possessor maybe?

Shouldn't Dispel Magic work?

There are special spells for this.

Killing the possessing thing should work.


You could always adapt Exorcise to PF.

Something like:

Exorcise
(Abjuration)
Level: Clr/Or 4, shaman 4, witch 4
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Components: V, S, M, DF
Range: close
Duration: Instantaneous
Target: 1 creature or object
Saving throw: none
Spell resistance: no

You cast one possessing spirit out of a creature or object. In order to succeed you must make a caster level check against a DC equal to the possessing spirit's HD+10.
Material components: a vial of holy water


The protection from alignment spells and magic circle spells suppress the control exerted by the possessing creature, but don't get rid of them.

I think trap the soul would give a save to kick out the possessor, but I'm honestly not sure I'm reading it right. It may only allow a save for abilities that are cast during the spell's duration even if they normally don't permit a save, rather than allowing a new save for an ongoing possession.


Mind-affecting stuff can target the possessor if it's not otherwise immune; suggestion "better drop the barbarian and go check on your real body, something could be happening to it!"


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As mentioned above, dispelling the possession effect (if it is created by a spell like magic jar or possession) would drive out the possessing creature. While possession does not explicitly states that dispel magic functions on it, it does not have to since, as a general rule, you can dispel any spell with an on-going duration (there may be some specific cases but off-hand I don't recall). Magic jar specifically calls out how to dispel it because it uses a focus and you can dispel it through targeting the focus or the target's location.

For more details on possessions in PF, check out here.

Besides what has already been mentioned above, there are a few other ways to get rid of possessions:

(1) use the Ritual Exorcism.

(2) use the Cast Out spell

(3) or use the Sphere of Warding spell.

Disjunction works as well, but I am not sure if an anti-magic field would break the possession (probably only just suppress the possession).

I am certain that there are likely specific archetypes that have abilities that drives out possessions.

I hope this helps!

CB


While looking for stuff you can't dispel, I found this spell. While it's not a good spell (it hurts the victim), it does make it clear dispel does work to stop possession.

Canadian Bakka wrote:
as a general rule, you can dispel any spell with an on-going duration (there may be some specific cases but off-hand I don't recall)

The big ones are Prismatic Wall, Wall of Force and Anti-Magic Field. Permanency of spells effecting you can be dispeled, but work a bit differently.


Would Banishment or Dismissal work? If so, then I imagine Dispel Evil would work.

Remove Curse would work as well. It seems there's too many exorcism-type spells.


Spells that send extraplanar creatures home would if the target is actually of extraplanar origin (as opposed to something like a ghost or caster that cast Possession), since OA confirms you can target a creature possessing someone if you know the creature exists. I suppose it's possible to knock someone out and drag them to another plane to use it on anything (except maybe ghosts, who require their target be on the Material Plane and it's unclear if existing possession continues upon extra planar travel)


A ghost's ability to regenerate suggests it is pinned to the ethereal plane and might be banished with a carefully worded miracle.


For Dispel Evil (or one of its relatives) to work against a possessing creature that was not extraplanar, the possessing creature would have to be Evil (or of the alignment targeted by a related spell), and the type of possession would also have to be a valid target for Dispel Magic (such as Magic Jar).


Can you use Channel Energy to attack an undead creature inside someone?

"The power of Erastil compells you!"


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Kimera757 wrote:

Can you use Channel Energy to attack an undead creature inside someone?

"The power of Erastil compells you!"

To the best of my knowledge, you cannot use channel energy normally to harm or affect the undead soul/spirit possessing a host. Your channel energy affects the host body instead, depending on which type of channel energy you used.

That being said, you can use this feat but I would not recommend it. Instead, I recommend taking either this archetype (if you are a cleric) or this archetype (if you are an inquisitor).

Cheers!

CB


Kimera757 wrote:

Would Banishment or Dismissal work? If so, then I imagine Dispel Evil would work.

Remove Curse would work as well. It seems there's too many exorcism-type spells.

Remove curse would not work; while all spell-based possessions are from the Necromancy school, they do not have the [curse] descriptor, as far as I know.

Cheers!

CB


Generally speaking, I think Dispel Magic or Wish/Miracle should work.

There might be specific spells/abilities that possess or dominate and don't allow for Dispel Magic to work, but it should say that in the spell/ability description. If a spell doesn't allow Dispel Magic to work, it should also say how to get rid of it in that spell's description, such as using Remove Curse + Wish/Miracle, or something like that.

If you're Homebrewing a possession spell/effect that isn't affected by Dispel Magic or Wish/Miracle, you can create your own method of removal.


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Totally by accident while looking up feats that had Vital Strike in their prerequisites, I found this feat.

While it does not help with removing the possessing creature right off the bat, it does help in damaging them. I don't think nonlethal damage will function against the possessing creature if it is undead but if it is a normal living creature, then theoretically this feat allows you to deal nonlethal damage against the possessing creature too (in case you don't want to end up killing the host creature). If you knock the possessing creature unconscious, that should reasonably end the possession.

Off the top of my head, ataxians, belier devils, and shadow demons are among the living creatures that are not immune to nonlethal damage and are capable of possessing creatures. There are probably a handful more.

Huh, this seems like it could be a fun feat in a horror/occult based campaign. Honestly, as a PC, I would have this feat for a weapon with the training weapon enhancement. Very situational, but highly amusing when you pull it out during a fight with a possessed creature. ;)

CB


Ryze Kuja wrote:
Generally speaking, I think Dispel Magic or Wish/Miracle should work.

Ghost possession is supernatural though, so Dispel Magic should not work on it.


Kimera757 wrote:
Ryze Kuja wrote:
Generally speaking, I think Dispel Magic or Wish/Miracle should work.
Ghost possession is supernatural though, so Dispel Magic should not work on it.

I wasn't talking about ghosts. That's why I said "Generally speaking".

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