Ok
So would a compromise be whomever can benefit from an item..and thereby benefit the parties success...can use an item..”borrow” for lack of a better term....but when we divide up spoils...they either purchase item....or if agreed...its sold and profit divided equally...??
Wow. A +4 Greatsword with the abilities to destroy whatever....
That will be the best weapon which means that character will no longer gain coinage because the weapon is so awesome.
Randtam created his own items and donated and did not just sell for himself but for eveyone. Oh well.
This is interesting to me. Anyone else want to weigh in on this.
In nearly all the adventures I've been in, that is how we split the loot. Things work out fairly well. If their is a specific item thatis particular to a certain class, the item should go to that person.
Following that, certain items might benefit several characters more than others and they work it out.
if someone gets a +2 cloak and they have a +1, they see if anyone needs the +1. If noone does than it gets sold and the gp is split between the party.
I think the monetary system is needed for people who don't know each other, otherwise I believe we can work out what is best and fair for the party without making it so mechanical.
That being said, if everyone wants to do it that way, I'm okay with that too.
If I read this correctly I am in agreement.
We all work together and use what we need when we need it. Pass to another when necessary to make the party stronger.
When we sell we all get an equal amount.
I just want to make sure we are on the same page.
I agree with Curral
Ultimately i would like things to flow...slay monsters...find treasure, and gain fame
Just read through everything. I think I am seeing only two options. Please let me know if I have misinterpreted anything.
Proposal A:
- 1. Party agrees who deserves the found item.
- 2. That person keeps it at no cost.
- 3. If we ever sell this item, we split the proceeds evenly.
Proposal B:
- 1. Anyone who wants a specific item from the loot pays the rest of the party the cost of the item.
- 2. That person owns the item and proceeds would go to them if it were eventually sold.
Current Vote Summary:
Sanrael and Idril are for Proposal A.
Kiryl is for Proposal B.
Curral I am not sure which version of loot division you were saying you used previously. I think you said you are in favor of Proposal A.
My Opinion:
Since I feel new to the group, I am fine just going with whatever you all usually do. I think both have merits, as Curral said. In my previous campaigns, this never really came up. I would guess it was more like Proposal A.
However, if we are voting, I am wondering about "tie" cases in either scenario. If two people want an item how do we decide? In Proposal B, it seems that we would just sort of auction it to the highest bidder? In Proposal A, it seems we would just vote and the loser would have to suck it up. I suppose we would always be considering balance as we vote. However, Curral rolled a dice this time.
I think Proposal B has an obvious issue if we find an item that no one could afford by themselves. While it is clearly in the DM's control, say we found a +20 sword of perfect truth and harmony. I think we'd have to sell it under Proposal B, since no one could possibly afford such a priceless item. While we'd all get an equal share of that item's value, I would think it is better that someone would use it to kill rats with reckless abandon.
TL;DR I don't want to rock the boat; I am fine doing whatever is normal for the group. If we are voting, I am leaning toward Proposal A, as long as we clear up what the tie situation is and Kiryl's "100% hard pass." I hope we can all agree.
I think theres an option C
We find item.....we agree someone can use it temporarily to the benefit of the party...when we return to town....if all are set on selling item and dividing spoils then so be it....
To be more specific...the cloak would benefit Idril...she needs better protection...which benefits all of us...i wear a ring of protection...which yes...benefits me but everyone else....when we return to civilization....we can sell it and divide loot...or i can buy it...or party can vote i retain its use but the ring...or cloak is party property...till its sold...
Full disclosure, part of my quibbling is influenced by Kiryl's desire for order, but some is certainly driven by my personal desire for treasure share equity; specifically to the benefit of Kiryl (me).
Kiryl is more than fine with party members using items until a normal trip to town occurs.
However, please consider:
The TOTAL per share distribution from the first round of adventure was 756GP per PERSON. By themselves the cloak of protection +1 is worth 1,000 GP and the ring of protection +1 is worth 2,000. That is almost 2-3 times the value of a single share from our last run.
On this run so far, outside of the cloak/ring, we have found: 50gp, 12 red gems, and a ring, and a large leather pouch with 50 platinum. Likely far less than either the ring or cloak are worth. So someone drawing either item PLUS a share of treasure will benefit substantially more than anyone else.
This does not take into account the additional value of getting an item due to the fact that there is no 'sales tax' paid on it; an additional 10% benefit.
Next, if we luckily found a +5 vorpral keen holy great sword yes Kiryl would benefit the most from it, but I don't see how it would be fair for him to make off with such a glorious piece of equipment PLUS a regular share of the coin.
Finally, how do we determine usage utility of non-specific items? Everyone can use, and would benefit from, the ring or the cloak and you could reasonably argue for each party member to get one or the other or both.
So no, I am still a 100% pass on general distribution of magic and much prefer totaling the value of all goods plundered and then calculating shares on that total. If someone wants to keep an item out of the total share and deduct that from what they would get, fair enough. Don't even need to apportion the tax on it.
Then agreed
For the purposes of this excursion
Those that can benefit....can use items till we get back to town
The ring of protection
The cloak if Idril so chooses...etc
With the understanding it gets sold or bought....unless the party votes otherwise....on a case by case basis....im sure there will be circumstances that even Kiryl will need to be flexible on...
Intense discussion! I may have to throw a +5 Great Sword of Rat Slaying into the treasure pot to see the chaos that ensues!
Order uber alles.
A festivus feat if strength
Or we can fight it out
Winner calls the policy!!
I like that idea
Hey, who's gonna quibble with Massive and Menacing.
I'm always up for something new. Let's do it that way.
Which way Curral? curtain A...B...or C?
Or a fight!!!???
Just wondering....If Idril reads a scroll/spell does she own it? Just thinking for the future.
At 25GP a 1st level scroll is probably no big deal, but at some point there is some decent GP involved. Potions are of similar scale.
That being said, I would be OK with consumables (potions/scrolls) being 'community' items and available for distribution w/o share penalty.
Sorcerer
0 12.5 gp
1st 25 gp
2nd 200 gp
3rd 450 gp
4th 800 gp
5th 1,250 gp
6th 1,800 gp
7th 2,450 gp
8th 3,200 gp
9th 4,050 gp
I understand Kiryl's points. I do think it handles the tie cases nicer.
Sanrael's Option C does sound like a compromise point And I think that's what Kiryl' is saying too, if I understand correctly.
So we are basically set on selling everything on return to town (which seems like it will be sooner than later). And if someone wants to stop something from being sold, you pay everyone else a fair compensation.
It sounds like there is a consensus?
No. I do not agree. I must be misunderstanding things.
We fight, we bleed and we gain fame...together
Someone gets a better piece than me OK. I do not need to pay someone for something we fought for.
Merry Christmas to all of you...thus far its been a great escape rediscovering a pleasure long lost....Not my quote...but ive always believed “imagination is stronger than knowledge” and “there are no rules of architecture to castles in the clouds”
Again....Merry Christmas to all of you...
Merry Christmas!
Humbug! No more coal for you lot! :D
GP valuation of the haul prior to any transactions:
1750 worth of coin/gems
1000 cloak
1000 cloak
2000 ring
5750 total/5 PCs = 1150/share
Does anyone want to claim the ring or a cloak?
Darkvision-any special regulations about the magic item trade we should know about besides the 10% purchase tax?
As much as i would like the ring....alas....its beyond my means....
First of all Merry Christmas to everyone.
Second, I do not believe there was any agreement.
If no one else will, I will take a Cloak and the Ring to help keep everyone alive, including myself.
This is stupid policy. Actually if we ALL agree to this we are idiots. I cannot fathom this course of action.
Who is buying the potion? It appears to not be on the sell block.
Merry Christmas all.
I'm always up for trying something new. Let's give it a shot.
Which one Curral??
Im on the fence....but will go with majority
Sanrael can (should-front line warrior with no healing ability) take the ring. He would therefore get no coin from this distribution and either need to kick in the remaining 850GP now or have that sum held against future treasure shares.
Idril can easily lay claim to a cloak and still come away with an additional 150 GP.
In this scenario (assuming no one claims the remaining cloak) the remaining 3 party members would draw 868 GP with Sanrael owing each party member 283 GP (850GP total) from his future shares.
As discussed above, the potions were not thrown into the total as they only net 50 GP each. If the group would rather, they can be liquidated and added to the total. If kept, would recommend that they be given to party members w/o healing ability (Idril, Sanrael, Pnin).
For anyone with issue digesting the above (specifically Idril) consider the following:
How would the party distribute the treasure shares if there were NO magic (or other specifically valued) items?
My presumption is that each surviving member would receive an equal share of the GP found. Yes? Example: Party finds 5750 GP of coin; it divides it how exactly?
That being the case, my 'revolutionary' method of treasure distribution is no different excepting any transaction costs imposed by the sale/purchase of goods and the need to hold future shares aside for current draws.
It's a little bit of Dungeons and Accountants but not that much to keep track of and results in an equitable and relatively efficient distribution of treasure shares.
I agree Sanrael should have the ring. Why are we making him pay for it?
He will fight and bleed for the "group." Sanrael being stronger makes all of us better and live. Instead as a "group" we are making Sanrael make a choice of living, making the group stronger, or being penniless. Why?
I agree Sanrael should have the ring. Why are we making him pay for it?
He will fight and bleed for the "group." Sanrael being stronger makes all of us better and live. Instead as a "group" we are making Sanrael make a choice of living, making the group stronger, or being penniless. Why?
Read the post immediately above. He's not paying for it, he's just drawing his share of the treasure.
Darkvision, please adjust my GP maths above with any fees/surcharges/taxes/etc. I missed.
Once the dust settles from the treasure distribution brew-ha-ha and Pnin feels better, back to the last locked door?
You can sell the cloaks for 950 each. The ring for 1950. Town merchants need to make a profit.
If you sell pots you can get 45 for each.
If you purchase any items pay 10% tax.
Financially you’d be better off keeping the items someone could use.
I will keep the ring....and throw in 200 more gp...(50 gp each member) owing each part member 233 gp out of future shares
I dont see the sword i took from the skeleton in the cage fight in the total
Onward!!!
Didn't have the sword down on my loot list. Not sure what it was or its value
Idril is chill but beyond angry. Stunned.
Help pay for the ring for Sanrael.
Idril will buy nothing and earn what she needs.
Worst policy ever.
Do not make me enter about"revolutionary" thinking.
Well, Merry Christmas!
I am still confused if I am supposed to be role playing here too. This has now cascaded to me not being sure to what degree the disagreement between Kiryl and Idril is supposed to be the characters arguing in game or if we are using this page to discuss things out of character.
Role playing wise: I think Pnin's friendly, carefree, and at times oblivious nature would have him lean toward the policy Idril is advocating. But I think he just wants everyone to get along.
Speaking personally, I am on the fence like Sanrael. I think accounting does make the party feel more transactional and less like a community that's in this together. Slippery slope toward charging Pnin for a Cure Light Wounds. On the other hand, it's not like we all pitch in when we buy gear. E.g. no one pitched in for the thieving tools, even though that was a purchase made for the benefit of the party. Nor do I think you all should have. So why should we all pitch in when we keep a cloak?
I think Kiryl's idea is interesting and am willing to see how it plays out. I think it may be more balanced in the long run.
BUT, I still would like to know what happens in cases of two people wanting an item. Recall that Pnin tried to claim the ring and Kiryl threatened bodily harm! We discussed who should wear it as if we were going to use Idril's methods. But if it just comes down to money, could Pnin have just offered to pay everyone? Can Pnin snake out Sanrael now by offering the party full price?
I am not saying Pnin would act this way, but I believe this is much more believable slippery slope.
Happy holidays everyone.
OK. Seems I do not belong in this game. I am definitely not trying to cause an issue.
Happy Holidays.
Oh Idril....you belong....differing opinions wether channeled here...or through your character add to the drama and bringing the game to life...
Jesus H Christ (happy birthday!)!
If this is SUCH a deal breaker, do whatever you like. Just let me know what my share is.
;-P
:-D
Idril, I think you belong too!
Pnin wants to help pay Sanrael's costs too. However, the rat situation has forced Pnin to carefully consider the utility of a cloak as well. Trying to re-figure out Pnin's wealth situation (my Character sheet is back in San DIego)!
I'm having a lot of fun with you all, hope to continue this adventure into the new year!
You guys could just hold onto and use the ring and both cloaks, go back to the Spire, get more treasure so that a buy out is immediately possible without anyone owning gold to anyone else.
Brilliant!! Thats why youre in charge sensei!!
Kinda like post 151 above.....sigh....i may just donate my spoils to a worthy charity...beardless dwarves...wingless faeries....
Everyone in agreement here?? Its a no brainer...
I don't think Idril's issue was when you'd pay people back . . . but I will let her speak for herself.
I don't mind either way.
Pnin wants one of the cloaks after his rat fever.
DM, you valued the cloak at both 1000 gp and 950 gp (profit surcharge).
What do I owe the party, 200 each or 190 each?
Either way, Sanrael's debt to me would be so low that we can call it even.
Pnin...Wanna cloak....yours....anyone else? We will settle up once we return frim spire...and have gained more treasure....