So since we have had a back and forth and someone asked what the percentage of people on both sides of the issue where, here a little poll thread on the issue just like the post with your position on it and feel free to comment.
Edit: may be a few minutes making sure I have proper positions on both sides.
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I guess the options are:
1) They can be used to enhance Unarmed Strikes and nothing more. So they deal 1d3 because that is what human non-monk Unarmed Strike deals. If your Unarmed Strike deal more than 1d3, you deal that using the Gauntlet.
2) They are a separate weapon from Unarmed Strikes, but all you to use your Unarmed Strikes as lethal additionally. Amulet of Mighty Fists adds to attacks with Gauntlet dealing 1d3 and Unarmed Strikes.
3) They are a separate weapon that can be enchanted (Shielded Gauntlet Style and various items listed as "+1 gauntlet"). But their enchantment bonus wouldn't stack with Amulet of Mighty Fist bonus.
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1) They can be used to enhance Unarmed Strikes and nothing more. So they deal 1d3 because that is what human non-monk Unarmed Strike deals. If your Unarmed Strike deal more than 1d3, you deal that using the Gauntlet.
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2) They are a separate weapon from Unarmed Strikes, but allow you to use your Unarmed Strikes as lethal additionally. Amulet of Mighty Fists adds to attacks with Gauntlet dealing 1d3 and Unarmed Strikes.
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From Developer comments (last summer and this year from Mark) we believe the future FAQ will match #2 or close to it.
I used to believe they were #3, but with comments I think #2 might be the resulting FAQ.
#1 is flat out not how it works as a result of countless developer posts discrediting it.
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3) They are a separate weapon that can be enchanted (Shielded Gauntlet Style and various items listed as "+1 gauntlet"). But their enchantment bonus wouldn't stack with Amulet of Mighty Fist bonus.
I'm with #3 because I want Shielded Gauntlet Style to work properly.
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3) separate weapon.
The body of somewhat murky faqs/statemetns, combined with the treatment of items to enhanced unarmed strikes generally ends up at a clear picture.
It isn't a good weapon, of course. The cestus fulfills the same general role as a separate weapon, with a smidge more damage and much better crit range (also piercing, but that rare;y ever matters).
I guess the options are:
1) They can be used to enhance Unarmed Strikes and nothing more. So they deal 1d3 because that is what human non-monk Unarmed Strike deals. If your Unarmed Strike deal more than 1d3, you deal that using the Gauntlet.
2) They are a separate weapon from Unarmed Strikes, but all you to use your Unarmed Strikes as lethal additionally. Amulet of Mighty Fists adds to attacks with Gauntlet dealing 1d3 and Unarmed Strikes.
3) They are a separate weapon that can be enchanted (Shielded Gauntlet Style and various items listed as "+1 gauntlet"). But their enchantment bonus wouldn't stack with Amulet of Mighty Fist bonus.
#2.
Because they are not #1, they are now impossible to not provoke with as they are unarmed attacks. Improved Unarmed Strike does nothing to make them armed.
Like I said in the other thread I figure they will be errated to be armed if they go with #2 or #3
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3. They are a unique weapon in the weapon fighter group. They have unique magic weapons. There is a feat that utilises them as a separate weapon.
If all these things exist as plausible options, then clearly this is how this was always meant to be.
Since they are an unarmed attack, they do benefit from Amulet of Mighty Fists but they can be separate weapons as well. And, given how enhancement bonuses work from multiple sources, you either use the gauntlet's or amulet's bonus, but any special abilities from both the gauntlet or amulet should get added to the attack.
Since they are an unarmed attack, they do benefit from Amulet of Mighty Fists but they can be separate weapons as well. And, given how enhancement bonuses work from multiple sources, you either use the gauntlet's or amulet's bonus, but any special abilities from both the gauntlet or amulet should get added to the attack.
This, I think, is the best explanation I've come across. If you have a +2 AoMF, +3 Gauntlet in your mainhand, and +1 Gauntlet in your offhand and are TWFing you should get +3 to attack/damage with your main hand and +2 to attack/damage with your offhand (also, you have distributed your resources poorly).
The one question I have is whither monks. Can a monk with a +1 gauntlet make a flurry of blows with just that one weapon? (I don't think this is really different than flurrying with a temple sword). Would the monk have the ability to do monk unarmed damage when doing so, or just gauntlet damage? Unchained Monk style strikes are called out explicitly with "what part of your anatomy you are using" (it's flying *kick* not flying *punch*), so that shouldn't be a problem.
(also, you have distributed your resources poorly).
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Very poorly lol
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I guess the options are:
1) They can be used to enhance Unarmed Strikes and nothing more. So they deal 1d3 because that is what human non-monk Unarmed Strike deals. If your Unarmed Strike deal more than 1d3, you deal that using the Gauntlet.
2) They are a separate weapon from Unarmed Strikes, but all you to use your Unarmed Strikes as lethal additionally. Amulet of Mighty Fists adds to attacks with Gauntlet dealing 1d3 and Unarmed Strikes.
3) They are a separate weapon that can be enchanted (Shielded Gauntlet Style and various items listed as "+1 gauntlet"). But their enchantment bonus wouldn't stack with Amulet of Mighty Fist bonus.
I think they should be #1
I think they currently are #3I think they'll be errata'd/FAQ'd to #2.
I would like to see any connection of gauntlets to unarmed strikes dropped.
I agree. If they rule them weapons, drop unarmed info. If they are unarmed attack modifying items, remove them from the weapon section. The current hybrid weapon/unarmed attack just creates for confusion.
Yeah its a mess all around I would also prefer 1 and take them off the weapon table or amend the description to explain exactly what they do.
So can anyone confirm, I've heard rumors that they are making another sort of equipment book? Maybe they've decided to let that handle all our current equipment issues?
Yeah, have errata/FAQs ready to go maybe for when that book goes live. It wouldn't surprise me if they are waiting till then since we've already gone this long. But it would surprise me for them to release a book on this without addressing any of these issues.