Only thing I can think of is Marid Style, which adds your Wisdom modifier as cold damage to your elemental fist damage.
Thanks everyone! One last question, does anyone know how much it would cost to get an item with unlimited haste uses on it? Or if it's even possible?
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Speed: When making a full-attack action, the wielder of a speed weapon may make one extra attack with it. The attack uses the wielder's full base attack bonus, plus any modifiers appropriate to the situation. (This benefit is not cumulative with similar effects, such as a haste spell.)
Moderate transmutation; CL 7th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, haste; Price +3 bonus.
This is a good base for the cost. So it will be very expensive. A +1 weapon with speed is 32,000gold. So if you get all the effects of haste and on a wonders item slot your looking at the 64,000 gold. Slot less item adds 50% to the cost. That's just a rough judgment call. It's ultimately up to your DM if it can even be made. It should not be a cheap item your looking at a item for characters level 15+.
The magic item creation rules suggest a price of "Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp" with a footnote saying that if the spell in question has a duration measured in rounds (like haste) you should multiply that cost by 4.
So 4*3*5*2000=120,000 gold pieces for a gewgaw of continuous haste.
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Guided Amulet of the Mighty Fists
It's 3.5 also, so not Pathfinder.
item with unlimited haste uses on it? Or if it's even possible?Like the Speed Weapon Special Ability?
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Items don't cost different prices based on who makes it, there is a hierarchy of sorc/wizard, cleric, druid then other classes. So since haste is a sorc/wizard spell using the summoner list wouldn't be permitted. There is some allowances for this in potions, wands and scrolls as exceptions.
That hierarchy is actually a PFS institution (to prevent this cheese) but not a general rule.
It should be, but isn't.
The only way I would ever let it work is if you are a summoner crafting the item yourself. Otherwise, you absolutely don't get to cherry pick who made the item to try and get it cheaper.
That hierarchy is actually a PFS institution (to prevent this cheese) but not a general rule.It should be, but isn't.
The only way I would ever let it work is if you are a summoner crafting the item yourself. Otherwise, you absolutely don't get to cherry pick who made the item to try and get it cheaper.
[How about something like Knowledge (Local) or Diplomacy to Gather Info to find a caster of the class you want (DC based on the price of the item/modification weighed against the size of the city you're in); one check represents one week of downtime searching]? I've always been a fan of "Special ordering" magic items, usually for stuff like a wand of Cure Light Wounds with a CL of 5 for 1d8+5 instead of 1d8+1, which would cost 3750G (much more than a standard wand, but still less than a Wand of Moderate), you just need to find the right guy to make the special order. It's not impossible then that finding a Class that learns a spell at a lower level for a cheaper item isn't doable.
How about something like Knowledge (Local) or Diplomacy to Gather Info to find a caster of the class you want (DC based on the price of the item/modification weighed against the size of the city you're in); one check represents one week of downtime searching]? I've always been a fan of "Special ordering" magic items, usually for stuff like a wand of Cure Light Wounds with a CL of 5 for 1d8+5 instead of 1d8+1, which would cost 3750G (much more than a standard wand, but still less than a Wand of Moderate), you just need to find the right guy to make the special order. It's not impossible then that finding a Class that learns a spell at a lower level for a cheaper item isn't doable.That hierarchy is actually a PFS institution (to prevent this cheese) but not a general rule.It should be, but isn't.
The only way I would ever let it work is if you are a summoner crafting the item yourself. Otherwise, you absolutely don't get to cherry pick who made the item to try and get it cheaper.
No. It's cheesy, and we all know controlling wealth is important to controlling the power level of groups.
Special ordering an item is one thing, that's me allowing you get items that are normally in a city of that size by having someone make it especially for you. But special ordering it from a specific class because the item creation rules (which are intended as guidelines for GMs not players) say it should be cheaper that way...no, doesn't fly with me.
In my universe summoners sell it at the same price wizards do, because that's their competition and they can sell it for higher price.
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I agree about the cheese. The PFS hierarchy (along with not bookkeeping if a given scroll or wand is divine, arcane or psychic) works very well in practice.
So it's okay to have a paladin brew an oil of Bless Weapon for 50GP (nobody else has that spell), but not a potion of Lesser Restoration for 50GP instead of the normal 300GP.
I'm fine with people trying to buy things like higher-than-normal CL wands though. That's handled just fine by the pricing mechanism. I can totally see a use case for L7 wands of Resist Energy for example.
Exactly.
if you get a summoner to make it it would cost 64000 :)
The chained summoner simply doesn't exist on a lot of tables, and the fixed variety thereof gets haste as a level 3 spell at level 7. So that's no help.
So even if a Scroll of say Control Water was crafted by a 9th level Druid, it costs as much as if it were by a 13th level Wizard because it defaults to Sorc/Wizard for appearing on both spell lists? Because Control Water pretty obviously belongs to Druids before an arcane caster - not to mention now it's a Divine Scroll, which is a whole new set of factors. The price would be lower if you used the CL and Spell Level of the Druid, but so would the duration (by 40 minutes), and so would the saving throw if you targeted an elemental with it (by 3). I'm a bit confused why this would be heresy. This is a difference of 1050G, but if I could spend that much to increase the DC of my spells by 3 points, I'd pay it in a heartbeat.
There's obviously room for exploitation, but all the GM has to do is not be a robot; just say "OK, no, I'm not going to let you buy 20 potions of a Paladin's Lesser Restoration." It's not exactly hard to see that kind of cheese coming. Allow it unless they're abusing it.
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That hierarchy is actually a PFS institution (to prevent this cheese) but not a general rule.
While true the hierarchy was removed from 3.5 to PF, this is a general rule:
An item is only worth two times what the caster of the lowest possible level can make it for. Calculate the market price based on the lowest possible level caster, no matter who makes the item.
This translates into the hierarchy in practice.
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@Cuup: check out the Guide to Organized Play (season 8, page 20):
Potions, Scrolls, and Wands
All potions, scrolls, wands, and other consumables are made by clerics, druids, wizards, or psychics in Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild play. The only exceptions are spells that are not on the cleric, druid, wizard or psychic spell lists. For example, a scroll of lesser restoration must be purchased as a 2nd-level scroll created by a cleric and can’t be purchased as a 1st-level scroll created by a paladin.
Use the following rules for purchasing potions, scrolls, and wands.
- If a spell appears at different levels on two different lists, use the lower level spell to determine cost (for example, poison would be priced as a 3rd-level druid spell instead of a 4th-level cleric spell).
So in the PFS scenario, you do not have to buy an expensive Wizard scroll of Control Water because druids can make it cheaper.
However, you can't get a scroll cheaper if it's lower level on say, the paladin list than it is on the cleric list.
Mediums get Haste as a 2nd-level spell anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's totally out of reach for you but there is the 3rd Evangalist Erastil Boon that adds WIS to attack and damage within 30 when you use longbows
Mediums get Haste as a 2nd-level spell anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At 7th level though, so the Medium's gewgaw of continuous haste is 4*2*7*2000=112,000 gold, a slight discount.
Mediums get Haste as a 2nd-level spell anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯At 7th level though, so the Medium's gewgaw of continuous haste is 4*2*7*2000=112,000 gold, a slight discount.
Not while channeling Archmage or Hierophant where you get Bard spell allotments and it becomes 4*2*4*2000 = 64000 again