What's in a name?: Paizo naming disasters


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Qlippoth!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0wdfCkJ5Jk


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Fromper wrote:
So what's the correct pronunciation of Yuelral?

"Throatwobbler-mangrove."


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What is official pronunciation of "jadwiga"?

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Fromper wrote:
So what's the correct pronunciation of Yuelral?

YOOL-rahl

Drejk wrote:
What is official pronunciation of "jadwiga"?

Yod-VEE-ga


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Mark Moreland wrote:


Yod-VEE-ga

Oh now thats just cheating

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Marcus Ewert wrote:

"a-luu-MIN-ee-uhm" versus "uh-LOO-min-uhm" is just one obvious example,

This is a spelling difference, actually. Aluminium (like most other 'um's on the periodic table) vs. Aluminum (the American, and increasingly global, spelling, which was based on a marketing gimmick. Back when aluminum was expensive, marketers were tying it to platinum)

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Drejk wrote:
What is official pronunciation of "jadwiga"?

It's a real world name, so the internet can help with this one.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Drejk wrote:
What is official pronunciation of "jadwiga"?

It's a real world name, so the internet can help with this one.

All due the respect, but that automated generator is bull. Here's the real deal.

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Gorbacz wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Drejk wrote:
What is official pronunciation of "jadwiga"?

It's a real world name, so the internet can help with this one.

All due the respect, but that automated generator is bull. Here's the real deal.

I and my Polish wife agree with Gorbacz. :)

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Good. My reminder that the internet has resources did its job.

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Another name that auto-translates into something rude/funny in my head is Haldemeer Graboras (Mayor of Magnimar).


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^Car Talk (on NPR) is an awesome source for names like that.


haldMEER groBARas would be my suggestion.


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I can't complain about Pathfinder names after what WoD had with the Tzimisce. (Chief among many linguistic "flourishes" that was ill considered.) Even their own guide had three different pronunciations listed.

That's right, even they had no idea how it was pronounced.

tzuh-mee-see, zhi-mee-shee, and sha-muh-say

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Scythia wrote:

I can't complain about Pathfinder names after what WoD had with the Tzimisce. (Chief among many linguistic "flourishes" that was ill considered.) Even their own guide had three different pronunciations listed.

That's right, even they had no idea how it was pronounced.

tzuh-mee-see, zhi-mee-shee, and sha-muh-say

The one time I played in a LARP and we were allowed to play Tzimisce, we Tzimisce players agreed before hand that we would all pronounce our clan name differently, and correct anyone else who said it, even if they got our own personal pronunciation perfectly...

'It's pronounced zih-miss.' 'Zih-miss?' 'No, softer on the zhah sound.' 'Zhah-miss?' 'Terrible, please stop.'


I assumed Chimisch.


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T.A.U. wrote:

Pronouncing Kingmaker's names in Italy could be hard too. Especially because Castruccio is a very funny name for Italian speakers since it could literally means "castrated honey boy".

I had a very hard time as GM trying to make him appears as a threatening and powerful enemy to mine players.

Hey, Varys "The Spider", from Game of Thrones, was not so very different at one time.

He's pretty scary!! 8-O


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Set wrote:
Scythia wrote:

I can't complain about Pathfinder names after what WoD had with the Tzimisce. (Chief among many linguistic "flourishes" that was ill considered.) Even their own guide had three different pronunciations listed.

That's right, even they had no idea how it was pronounced.

tzuh-mee-see, zhi-mee-shee, and sha-muh-say

The one time I played in a LARP and we were allowed to play Tzimisce, we Tzimisce players agreed before hand that we would all pronounce our clan name differently, and correct anyone else who said it, even if they got our own personal pronunciation perfectly...

'It's pronounced zih-miss.' 'Zih-miss?' 'No, softer on the zhah sound.' 'Zhah-miss?' 'Terrible, please stop.'

I've got this vision where the faction has split into 3 sub-factions that can't agree on pronunciation of their name, and considers the others to be a blasphemous bunch of quitters. This potentially works for Drow too . . . .


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Where's the Tzimisce People's Front?


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Sissyl wrote:
Where's the Tzimisce People's Front?

SPLITTERS!


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Sissyl wrote:
Where's the Tzimisce People's Front?

I hope you meant the People's Front of Tzimisce?


That'll... show 'em...!


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Quark Blast wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Where's the Tzimisce People's Front?
I hope you meant the People's Front of Tzimisce?

I thought we were the Popular Tzimisce Front!


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Maneuvermoose wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Where's the Tzimisce People's Front?
I hope you meant the People's Front of Tzimisce?
I thought we were the Popular Tzimisce Front!

Nah. He's over there. -->

*grumpy-face*


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And all the PFT say?

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Aringa-ding-ding...aring-ading-DING...gering ding-ding aring-ading-ding...


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Set wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
HEY, "STATLER"!

The Statler I know is the one next to Waldorf.

Yeah, that's why I can't make fun of it. I'd kill to be Statler.

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Wait. Which one's Statler, and which one's Waldorf?


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My 2 cents... did everyone know that Iobaria sounds almost like "f***-land" or "Land of f***ers" in Russian? If 1st letter was "Y" instead of "I", it would be uncanny...

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So while we've got a naming thread going, how do you pronounce Sheila Heidmarch's name?

I thought her first name was the typical English female name, but I've heard it pronounce with a hard "i" in the first syllable instead of a hard "e" as expected. And is the "ch" at the end pronounced like a hard "k" or like the typical "ch" combination, as in "cheese"?

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I pronounce her name SHE-la HIDE-mark.


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Fromper wrote:

So while we've got a naming thread going, how do you pronounce Sheila Heidmarch's name?

While running away fast enough to start the dopler effect


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Not too many names are that bad in my mind but one jumps out: Lord Gyr of House Gixx. I guess that's supposed to be pronounced "Gear of House Gicks". But if the double x makes a different sound I'd like to know what it is.

I pronounce some names in an uncommon way, I guess. I pronounce "ae" in the Latin way, so it sounds like "eye" So daemon sounds like "die-mon", Sarenrae sounds like "saren-rye". I like to pronounce "eu" like a long a, so Asmodeus sounds like "as-mo-day-us". I lso pronounce "io" like ee-oh, and at the beginning of a name sounds like "yo", so Iomedae sounds like "yo-me-die".

I tend to notice that many names of people and places end in "ian". Someone who writes for Pathfinder must really like that sound. I don't particularly though.


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Double x is pronounced something like a non-toning "djunze".


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Shaun wrote:

Lord Gyr of House Gixx

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Sarenrae sounds like "saren-rye".

I wonder if Gyr Gixx was a homage to Gary Gygax.

Sarenrae "searing ray" the light spells woman.

The god Nob ... Nog... ?? ... ugh, whatever, lets just call him Nobgobbler.


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I like Norgorber. Sounds nefarious.


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Shaun wrote:
I pronounce some names in an uncommon way, I guess. I pronounce "ae" in the Latin way, so it sounds like "eye" So daemon sounds like "die-mon", Sarenrae sounds like "saren-rye". I like to pronounce "eu" like a long a, so Asmodeus sounds like "as-mo-day-us". I lso pronounce "io" like ee-oh, and at the beginning of a name sounds like "yo", so Iomedae sounds like "yo-me-die".

I'm curious about the official pronunciation for names with "ae" in canon. I always pronounce the "ae" the Old English way, so it sounds like the sharper "a" in "cat." So daemon sounds like "dam-on" for me.

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Most of the time, "ae" is pronounced as a hard "a" sound, like in "ray" or "cane". Earlier in this thread, that was confirmed for Sarenrae's name.


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I like Norgorber. Sounds nefarious.

I am very slightly annoyed by all the deities with grgrgrgrgrg in their names. It feels repetitive. Norgorber, Urgathoa, Rovagug, Gozreh, Gyronna, Groetus, Gargamel...

Torag and Gorum are short enough not to evoke this reaction in me. Kurgess and Ghlaunder are fine. I can't criticize the Strong Man, and Ghlaunder sounds appropriately creepy.

By the way, is there any connection with Thamir Gixx and Lord Gyr of House Gixx, or are their names just a coincidence? Puts on the traditional conspiracy tin hat.


"I am the mistress of DAAAAARKNESS and LUUUUUST, and my name is NOCTICULA, BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!"


Meraki wrote:
Shaun wrote:
I pronounce some names in an uncommon way, I guess. I pronounce "ae" in the Latin way, so it sounds like "eye" So daemon sounds like "die-mon", Sarenrae sounds like "saren-rye". I like to pronounce "eu" like a long a, so Asmodeus sounds like "as-mo-day-us". I lso pronounce "io" like ee-oh, and at the beginning of a name sounds like "yo", so Iomedae sounds like "yo-me-die".

I'm curious about the official pronunciation for names with "ae" in canon. I always pronounce the "ae" the Old English way, so it sounds like the sharper "a" in "cat." So daemon sounds like "dam-on" for me.

This is how it is pronounced in the audiobook version of The Redemption Engine which suggests it is the official pronunciation.


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Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Shaun wrote:
I pronounce some names in an uncommon way, I guess. I pronounce "ae" in the Latin way, so it sounds like "eye" So daemon sounds like "die-mon", Sarenrae sounds like "saren-rye". I like to pronounce "eu" like a long a, so Asmodeus sounds like "as-mo-day-us". I lso pronounce "io" like ee-oh, and at the beginning of a name sounds like "yo", so Iomedae sounds like "yo-me-die".

I'm curious about the official pronunciation for names with "ae" in canon. I always pronounce the "ae" the Old English way, so it sounds like the sharper "a" in "cat." So daemon sounds like "dam-on" for me.

This is how it is pronounced in the audiobook version of The Redemption Engine which suggests it is the official pronunciation.

Time to send my extremely enthusiastic Old English professor a thank-you note.

Although reading the bit about Sarenrae makes me clarify--I DO pronounce the ae like "ray" when it's at the end of the word, like in Sarenrae. Never thought too much about it before this.

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Jeven wrote:
Shaun wrote:

Lord Gyr of House Gixx

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Sarenrae sounds like "saren-rye".

I wonder if Gyr Gixx was a homage to Gary Gygax.

Sarenrae "searing ray" the light spells woman.

The god Nob ... Nog... ?? ... ugh, whatever, lets just call him Nobgobbler.

Yes, that has been confirmed as a genuine Gygax tribute.

Making it hard to pronounce is probably part of the tribute!

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