Yeah... that sounds messed up..
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Whoah Whoah Whoah.... If a dire tiger is killed and served up as a steak, it does not get to keep its pounce or rake attacks... I mean - I've heard people joke about how 'By RAW' death has no in game effect on a character... But come on - this is just ridiculous!
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as for talking to my dm about being targeted its not really an option he is to busy with his job.
Then he is too busy to DM properly.
But seriously, some GM's feel that it is their job to kill their player's characters. If they're not, they're not "challenging you!"
Without knowing anything about your group and the kinds of games you enjoy, I'd say it doesn't sound paranoid. It sounds factual, based on what you've shared.
First pounce is awesome . . .just not against you.
Second I would ask if your character's background or history would motivate bounty hunters?
Yes, you're paranoid.
If your GM wants to kill you, he will. Tarrasque, colossal dragon, balor, pit fiend, etc. (and that's just a sample from the first Bestiary). Or high level assassins/NPCs. Or super deadly traps. Or just "Rocks fall".
If he's doing that, then you probably are not paranoid. If he's not, then yes, you're paranoid.
I'm curious: you didn't say WHY he put a warrant out on your 2nd character. Was it because you made a barely altered remake of your 1st character - did your GM ask you not to do that? Are you doing things to get under his skin? Did you give some kind of backstory that makes it sensible that you might have such a warrant? Your character seems to be OK with "putting a few arrows in the NPCs chest" which sounds like an evil act, so maybe the GM just doesn't like evil PCs in his campaign (maybe he even asked you not to do it). Maybe he's just challenging you with his own backstory for you so that you'll have at least this plot hook to involve your new character in the campaign. Or maybe any one of a million other reasons.
so the dm decided that he was going to have a dire tiger steak attack my character hitting my character with two rakes and a bite attack killing my alchemist(the groups cleric) in one round while he was bent over working on making his dailys while the rest of the team slept.
So nobody was on watch? If you were in an inn in a major city and the tiger attacked you, the GM is being unfair. If you were in a tiger-infested forest, then you should have been more careful.
so the dm decided that he was going to have a dire tiger steak attack my character hitting my character with two rakes and a bite attack killing my alchemist(the groups cleric) in one round while he was bent over working on making his dailys while the rest of the team slept.So nobody was on watch? If you were in an inn in a major city and the tiger attacked you, the GM is being unfair. If you were in a tiger-infested forest, then you should have been more careful.
I think that it was the OP's character that was on watch.
@OP
About the first death, assuming your characters are low(-ish) level then it's nothing to worry about, tigers are very dangerous for their CR; the tiger rolled a couple of stealth checks and you lost a couple of perception checks, that leads to the tiger getting a surprise round in which he pounced you and tore your ~2nd level character* to shreds with it's 5 attacks. Sure the death could be a little less demeaning but that's it.
Now about the bounty placed on your next character, this could be part of the story or just how the DM attempts to place a new character in the ongoing story, the best solution to that is to ask the DM.
*depending on the gear and the build of the character and how much it relied on DEX i could see a tiger killing a 5th level character that way
Yes, you're paranoid.
If your GM wants to kill you, he will. Tarrasque, colossal dragon, balor, pit fiend, etc. (and that's just a sample from the first Bestiary). Or high level assassins/NPCs. Or super deadly traps. Or just "Rocks fall".
If he's doing that, then you probably are not paranoid. If he's not, then yes, you're paranoid.
OR not everyone brings out a fully-fueled bulldozer where a simple lump hammer is more than sufficient. You can be out to screw a player without deciding that it's time to bring a targeted apocalypse. False dichotomies sir, avoid them.
OT: There really isn't enough here to go off as to whether this is a DM out to get the player. But I would propose that it is either not paranoia, or the DM is just bad at DMing. Since such an ambush scenario followed by a character immediately having a bounty on them rather eats space for a player to self-direct in play.
EDIT: Maybe I'm wrong and the DM just approaches from what they think realistic, or something else.
First off, busy or not, you need to find a time to speak with your GM regarding your concerns. There are definitely multiple ways to interpret what is going on, ranging from outright jerk behavior by your GM to a desire to make an interesting game, hampered by poor communications on his part.
Your writing is pretty disorganized and sort of difficult to follow, if you communicate verbally in a similar manner it might make it difficult to resolve your concerns. I recommend taking to time to organize your thoughts before your speak to your GM so you can communicate clearly.
As for some specific points, tiger attacks sometimes happen and they can pretty much kill you off. I'd give the GM the benefit of the doubt on this.
Your character starting with a warrant out on him sounds to me like a way for the GM to implement a plot and get you involved in the story. It is a little clumsy and rail-roady, and he probably should have explained his purpose to you, but if that is what he is doing, it is forgivable.
As to dishonorably murdering the guy that put the warrant out on you, it really isn't a good act and it has been made clear to you (and your character) that it wouldn't work to get rid of the warrant. My advice would be to try and work with the plot the GM is trying to weave, rather than against it, but you really do need to talk to your GM.
I am not sure i understood, which noble tortured to death the surving party? The one who hired the party or the one who was inside the carriage?
Also, which of the two nobles put up the bounty?
"that guy" is kinda like an honorary secondary dm. but kinda hard to interact with. he also has this annoying attitude of "if its not in the book it does not exists" and he kinda kills creativity with his rigidness.
Define creativity, preferably with an example.
It's not necessarily bad GMing. We don't know enough to judge that. If they were camping in wilds where tigers are known to prowl, why was he the only one watching? (And not doing a good job of it, either!)
It could be a lesson of "adventure smart!" with people who are not yet too attached to their characters.
The automatic "bounty on your head" though. That could be bad GMing. Hard to say without more information.
I wouldn't pass judgment on the bounty thing without more info, either. It could be just a simple motivation piece. Has he actually had bounty hunters go after you? Did they do so to the exclusion of the party? Or is this just a paper tiger for the plot?
*snicker*
((thats a lot of typing hope i clarified stuff))
Capitalization, grammar, spelling, and using forum tags (like "quote" and "b") would go a long way in that regard.
Without these things, that wall of text is exceptionally difficult to read.
If your GM wants to kill you, he will. Tarrasque, colossal dragon, balor, pit fiend, etc. (and that's just a sample from the first Bestiary). Or high level assassins/NPCs. Or super deadly traps. Or just "Rocks fall".
If he's doing that, then you probably are not paranoid. If he's not, then yes, you're paranoid.
I mean, "tiger jumps out of nowhere and kills you in the surprise round" is pretty much the same as "rocks fall"
Unless, as mentioned, it was previously described as a "tiger infested forest" or whatever (doubtful. Maybe)
No, "Rocks fall" requires no rolls, no interaction, nothing for a GM to resolve, nothing for a player to do to save his character. All that's left is for the player to decide to roll another character or walk away from this GM for good.
But the tiger death possibly involved many decisions from that player as well as the rest of the group (where to camp, no safety precautions like Rope Trick, who was on watch, did the OP's alchemist have bacon in his pockets, etc.), hopefully involved some rolled dice (stealth vs. perception, attack vs. AC, damage rolls), and could have ended differently or even started differently: this encounter would have gone very differently if the GM simply said "From safely in your Rope Trick you hear the sounds of a prowling tiger on the ground below, but you don't need to worry about it at all."
Now, I totally agree with you if it went like this:
GM: What do you do?
Players: We make camp, the alchemist is on first watch.
GM: OK, a tiger pounces on him and kills him.
OP: What? Can I roll a perception check to hear it coming?
GM: Nope, it's too sneaky.
OP: Will you at least roll its attacks?
GM: Nope, you weren't ready so you were helpless against its pounce. In fact, it coup-de-grace-pounced your helpless alchemist.
OP: I wasn't helpless, I was standing watch.
GM: No, you were looking the wrong way so you were helpless.
OP: Why?
GM: Because I said so.
Yeah, that's a slightly more elaborate "rocks fall" scenario. But my guess is that it didn't go quite like that.
((thats a lot of typing hope i clarified stuff))Capitalization, grammar, spelling, and using forum tags (like "quote" and "b") would go a long way in that regard.
Without these things, that wall of text is exceptionally difficult to read.
Agreed. Please go fix it. I got part way into it and was terribly confused so I just quit reading it.
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Rock falls require lots of rolls, just like for the tiger:
Only if you don't accept that the damage WILL kill you.
Bonus: You don't even have to be walking under something.
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Crimeo, are you unaware of the "rocks fall" trope?
See this.
No rolls, just angry GM - and it has nothing to do with actual rules for subterranean cave-ins.
Define creativity, preferably with an example.
well back when my Chirurgeon was alive. me and "that guy" was sitting and having a chat about skilled, crafts, and professions. i stated that i wanted to take the profession "Doctor". (so i could totally use the line "trust me i am a doctor."as who ever i was working on slowly drifted out). he stated that i can not be a doctor since heal was a skill unto it's self. then i stated that yea heal was a skill but the doctor profession would not be just healing by its self and that there was other knowledge to being a doctor that healing could not cover. i also stated that even though there is the craft weapons and armor there was still the blacksmith profession. and that wet nurse would still be using the heal skill as well. then he said "well its not in the book so it does not exists." and when i pointed him to the doctor's mask he got even more angry since doctor's masks states that in some places you can be fined if caught wearing a doctor's mask with out being a doctor." it got to the point where i just had to drop the subject and keep the doc profession on my sheet. come to think of it. yea that professions has been erased of my character sheet.he used to hold on to my character sheet for the dm.
Ok "that guy" was actually wrong, you could very well take ranks in the profession (doctor) skill, yes it would be a waste of skill points since i can't think of an instance, except PFS day job rolls, where you would have to roll the profession (doctor) skill, but hey! it's your skill points to waste.
Just to clarify, you rolled perception against the tiger's stealth, correct?
EDIT: The rest of the party should have rolled a perception check DC 0 + 1 for every feet between the tent/bedrolls and the place where you died in order to wake up but i could see the DM waiving that in order to avoid a TPK.
DC -10 for Sounds of Battle.
+1 for every 10' (not for every 1 foot).
-10 for being asleep.
That balances out to a DC of 1 if the alchemist was being pounce-devoured within 20' of his allies, so there is literally no way they could fail the roll unless he was more than 20 feet away.
DC -10 for Sounds of Battle.
+1 for every 10' (not for every 1 foot).
-10 for being asleep.
That balances out to a DC of 1 if the alchemist was being pounce-devoured within 20' of his allies, so there is literally no way they could fail the roll unless he was more than 20 feet away.
Ok i was wrong, i though it was +1 per 5 feet where it's +1 per 10 feet, sorry my bad.
We don't know how far the soon to be tiger food alchemist was in relation to the party but yes i agree that it's quite difficult for the whole of the party to lose but not impossible, especially for a low level party (we don't know what level the party is).
If they were being ambushed by a tiger I can't imagine the party being under level 4-ish.
Unless the GM really is out to kill them.
Maybe the DM saw that the tiger and thought that a 2nd or 3rd level party could handle it and he didn't take into account the fact that the party was sleeping.
Maybe the DM saw that the tiger and thought that a 2nd or 3rd level party could handle it and he didn't take into account the fact that the party was sleeping.If they were being ambushed by a tiger I can't imagine the party being under level 4-ish.
Unless the GM really is out to kill them.
If they found it in an open field sure.
In a forest setting where nobody has the sleeping penalty to perception... maybe.
As a night ambush? Hell no.
[But you are right, GM inexperience might be an issue here.]
I agree.
Anyway the OP should give us more information, in a better formatted posts, it's very difficult to read his posts.
I believe the rest of his party killed the tiger - hence the "... and a dire tiger pelt out of my first character's death" as part of their loot.
Mistake in encounter design is possible.
A pouncing Dire Tiger (CR 8) against a 3rd level party? Ouch! I second that Crimeo!
I go way overboard on CR, but not while the party is sleeping, and five levels is two more than I'm comfortable with. Is the rest of the party high optimized?
But seriously, some GM's feel that it is their job to kill their player's characters. If they're not, they're not "challenging you!"
Without knowing anything about your group and the kinds of games you enjoy, I'd say it doesn't sound paranoid. It sounds factual, based on what you've shared.
With unlimited resources, a GM declaring 'war' on a PC should feel nothing but shame.
If, in fact, this is him picking on you, talk to him. If you don't have the ability to talk to him (this can ONLY be caused by him being unwilling to talk, he could easily just take five minutes of game time to go aside with you) then seriously consider leaving the group.
However, you may not have supplied enough information.
If it is your opinion that he is unfairly targeting you, that's one thing, if you have DONE something to warrant the treatment... that's another.
Ultimately, it is best to talk to him about it.
Mistake in encounter design is possible.A pouncing Dire Tiger (CR 8) against a 3rd level party? Ouch! I second that Crimeo!
We don't know the level of the party and we aren't sure if it was a tiger or a dire tiger.
His alchemist was 3rd level:
DM_Blake
naa dm_blake my first alchemist character was a Chirurgeon build focused on making cure extracts and had cure bombs and was only lvl three.
The tiger was a dire tiger:
so the dm decided that he was going to have a dire tiger steak attack my character hitting my character with two rakes and a bite attack killing my alchemist(the groups cleric) in one round