Imbicatus |
How they brought Grand Moff Tarkin to the screen.
Huh. That digital capture mouthpiece makes him look more like Darth Malak than tarkin.
Irontruth |
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The Tarkin CGI was really good. Just for me, in a movie with actual people, he looks off-putting.
It's really, really good CGI though. An "animated" movie with that quality would be amazing.
Not my idea, but they could have put him in the movie using holocommunicators and we wouldn't have been able to tell it wasn't actually Cushing.
baron arem heshvaun |
How they brought Grand Moff Tarkin to the screen.
This short video clip is actually enlightening.
I do like the actor they picked to overlay Grand Moff Tarkin on.
Raynulf |
I actually wasn't all that confused on what the First Order was. I thought it was sort of clear that it was a rebranded Imperial remnant/faction existing in the margins of the galaxy, with the Resistance being folks actually fighting them within there territory.
Clear? No.
"Best guess as the only explanation of who the hell these guys are?" Yes.
A New Hope pretty clearly spelled out who the Empire were and what the scenario was, between the commentary from the farmboy (Luke) about how everyone hates the empire, to Tarkin's first scene as he explains what is going on overall, and provides some context.
Force Awakens would have benefited from a similar scene - even a few lines of dialogue of someone explaining to Rey the situation (since she lives on a complete backwater); "The New Republic fought the remains of the Empire to a standstill and signed a truce after the battle of Jakku. For decades they've kept to the outer reaches, and the senate has convinced itself that they're beaten. We know the truth though - they're building their forces to take back the galaxy, and we need to stop them, whatever the cost. We are the resistance"
Thirty seconds of exposition would have saved a whole lot of conjecture.
Fellfire |
John Napier 698 wrote:The artist has some cool pieces.baron arem heshvaun wrote:Damn! Now that's Hardcore.In the meantime.
Vader standing atop the tie bomber is radiculous. Vader vs. the Alien brood-mother. No contest.
thejeff |
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MMCJawa wrote:I actually wasn't all that confused on what the First Order was. I thought it was sort of clear that it was a rebranded Imperial remnant/faction existing in the margins of the galaxy, with the Resistance being folks actually fighting them within there territory.Clear? No.
"Best guess as the only explanation of who the hell these guys are?" Yes.
A New Hope pretty clearly spelled out who the Empire were and what the scenario was, between the commentary from the farmboy (Luke) about how everyone hates the empire, to Tarkin's first scene as he explains what is going on overall, and provides some context.
Force Awakens would have benefited from a similar scene - even a few lines of dialogue of someone explaining to Rey the situation (since she lives on a complete backwater); "The New Republic fought the remains of the Empire to a standstill and signed a truce after the battle of Jakku. For decades they've kept to the outer reaches, and the senate has convinced itself that they're beaten. We know the truth though - they're building their forces to take back the galaxy, and we need to stop them, whatever the cost. We are the resistance"
Thirty seconds of exposition would have saved a whole lot of conjecture.
Yeah, it wasn't so much the First Order for me, though they felt a little too much like just the Empire again, but the relation of the Resistance to the new Republic or to the old Rebellion.
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Raynulf wrote:MMCJawa wrote:I actually wasn't all that confused on what the First Order was. I thought it was sort of clear that it was a rebranded Imperial remnant/faction existing in the margins of the galaxy, with the Resistance being folks actually fighting them within there territory.Clear? No.
"Best guess as the only explanation of who the hell these guys are?" Yes.
A New Hope pretty clearly spelled out who the Empire were and what the scenario was, between the commentary from the farmboy (Luke) about how everyone hates the empire, to Tarkin's first scene as he explains what is going on overall, and provides some context.
Force Awakens would have benefited from a similar scene - even a few lines of dialogue of someone explaining to Rey the situation (since she lives on a complete backwater); "The New Republic fought the remains of the Empire to a standstill and signed a truce after the battle of Jakku. For decades they've kept to the outer reaches, and the senate has convinced itself that they're beaten. We know the truth though - they're building their forces to take back the galaxy, and we need to stop them, whatever the cost. We are the resistance"
Thirty seconds of exposition would have saved a whole lot of conjecture.
Yeah, it wasn't so much the First Order for me, though they felt a little too much like just the Empire again, but the relation of the Resistance to the new Republic or to the old Rebellion.
Except Rogue One showed us why the First Order exists.
The Rebellion was so worried about defeating the Empire that they didn't have a clear idea of what they wanted to do once the Empire was overthrown. The resulting chaos left meany away from the center of the Rebellion/New Republic actually preferring the order and economic strength of the empire.
baron arem heshvaun |
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Some great Pablo Hidalgo tweets.
When asked the fate of Admiral Raddus after the events of Rogue One this was his answer. Gotta love it.
His answer to The Emperor's first name.
On conjecture and health food.
On the iconic shot that never made it onto the film.
My humble brag moment.
In the 1990s when we were both at West End Games, he was introducing a new editor to us, he said words to the effect, 'if no one else knows (the Canon) ask me (Pablo), if I don't know ask him (points to me).'
John Napier 698 |
Some great Pablo Hidalgo tweets.
When asked the fate of Admiral Raddus after the events of Rogue One this was his answer. Gotta love it.
His answer to The Emperor's first name.
On conjecture and health food.
On the iconic shot that never made it onto the film.
My humble brag moment.
In the 1990s when we were both at West End Games, he was introducing a new editor to us, he said words to the effect, 'if no one else knows (the Canon) ask me (Pablo), if I don't know ask him (points to me).'
What? You were at WEG? No wonder you're so knowledgeable.
John Napier 698 |
Baron,
While fishing on Youtube, I found this. Damn, I wish this was available in my High School in the late '80s.
baron arem heshvaun |
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WEG, expansion of Canon, forefather of EU and the Wookieepedia of its day.
:)
John if you liked those videos (the Mark Hamill one actually aired on prime time TV), you probably should know there are chapters of The (Full Contact) National Lightsaber League and Tournament.
Please wear protection, don't poke an eye out.
John Napier 698 |
WEG, expansion of Canon, forefather of EU and the Wookieepedia of its day.
:)
John if you liked those videos (the Mark Hamill one actually aired on prime time TV), you probably should know there are chapters of The (Full Contact) National Lightsaber League and Tournament.
Please wear protection, don't poke an eye out.
Cool beyond words. Just wish I wasn't so out of shape, and about a decade younger, at least. But I do have a wooden replica of a Katana that I can do some training with.
John Napier 698 |
Better yet start a local charter !!!
What's Pittsburgh's nickname ?
You could call it the Imperial Iron Legion or the Sith Steel Sabers.
Not with Disney printing Lawsuits as if they were money. Instead of calling them Lightsabers, I'll use the GURPS term - Force Swords. Maybe, The Pittsburgh Forceswordsmanship Academy? How's that Baron? I'll start after I learn Kendo, use that as a base course.
baron arem heshvaun |
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@John (off topic but something I feel important enough I'll skip the spoiler)
In my youth, if I did not get to the beach at least twice a week to surf for hours, I would get downright ornery. There were many times I made it nearly daily.
At present, if I have to force myself to go to the gym, which is in my building so you would think it's an easy trek, and I just barely make it there two times a week. But somehow I still make it.
It's so easy to put it aside or find something else to do. Resist the urge to put do that. Getting in better shape and the road towards it is never a wasted effort.
So yes sir, please go for it! Life is to short to let it pass by, once you get started track your progress. Post on the FaWtL. Keep it up and share results. Get your kendo on!
John Napier 698 |
This real life promotional movie poster looks like a really painfully bad EU parody.
Even more painfull now that the EU "never" existed.
Set |
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Just saw it this weekend. Loved it. IMO, best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy. I love that it was different and didn't include a bunch of the original characters, even if, storywise, it was structured around events from the original trilogy.
Freehold DM |
WEG, expansion of Canon, forefather of EU and the Wookieepedia of its day.
:)
John if you liked those videos (the Mark Hamill one actually aired on prime time TV), you probably should know there are chapters of The (Full Contact) National Lightsaber League and Tournament.
Please wear protection, don't poke an eye out.
just join your local chapter of new york Jedi if they are still around.
phantom1592 |
And I would argue the 3-way duel at the end of that movie is the best in the entire series!
I really appreciate the fight scene at the end of PM. It's a micro view of the differences in philosophy between Sith and Jedi, and also a micro view of acceptance(Qui Gon) vs striving (Obi Wan). I found the entire fight scene to be very "mystical" if that's the right term.
Agreed. More importantly, we FINALLY got to see what REAL Jedi could do. Prior to this, what did we have? An old Cyborg... an old man... and rookie who bailed on his training?
We played the west end games for years and had a blast with our own characters... but THIS movie?? This showed the full power of a fully trained Jedi Knights!!! It was glorious. No swinging around baseball bats or 2x4s... but full on laser sword fights.
Regardless of how disappointing the prequels were as a whole... I'll always have a soft spot for phantom menace. I saw that at least 10 times in the theaters... where the others I only saw maybe once or twice total...
The Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones/RotS: Sabers! SABERS EVERYWHERE! Kiddie-sized sabers! Double-bladed sabers! YODA GETS A SABER! AND YOU GET A SABER! AND YOU! AND YOU! ALL SABERS ALL THE TIME!
Honestly... as a kid I LOVED lightsabers. That was the backbone of Star Wars. It was what set it apart from Star Trek, Buck Rogers, Starship Troopers.. Aliens... whatever. The whole series revolved around the Luke becoming a Jedi and facing Vader.
Soooo yeah, having Star Wars stick with what made them unique and focus on the Jedis and not just 'generic spaceship battles...' was the right move. For all the faults that the prequels had... Lightsaber fights weren't it.
Although making Yoda a combat master like that turned my stomach a bit. That just seemed more fan service then it did storytelling...
Except for the gigantic plot holes in that scene, of which there are at least 3 that I can remember, having not seen the movie in many, many years.1) Obi-wan gets cut off in that "air lock" system. Except... they used super speed to get away from droids in that very first fight. Why didn't he use it there? It seems like the perfect time to use it.
2) What the f~~+ are they fighting in? Is it some sort of generator/powerstation? If so, why were the Naboo worried about the Trade Federation? If you're capable of generating that much energy, you should be able to make a shield, fire giant lasers, etc. A couple droids on a ship would be nothing. They live on this lush, green world, so food isn't the issue and with that much energy capacity, everything should be solvable.
3) Why didn't Darth Maul cut Obi-wan in half when he flipped over him with no lightsaber? He hangs over him for a good half-second doing a flip, completely vulnerable to one easy swing of a lightsaber. In fact, 2 movies later, Obi-wan does this exact thing to Anakin when he tries the same maneuver.
The only good thing about that fight was the song. It's possible to listen to the song without watching that fight.
There are plot holes in every episode... so there is always nitpicking possible. Which is what I consider 1 & 2. The powers are what they are, and there's always a reason they didn't use them in any show that has powers... the best answer? He's just a Padawan and screwed up. Or maybe they were all moving at superspeed and everything else was just slowed down relative and weird unexplainable space sets is just that.
#3 was actually explained in the novelization and was something I really enjoyed. I think Lucas did a really poor job directing it... but that is par for the whole prequel.
What happened, is that the moment that Qui-gon was killed... Obi-wan gave into rage. Which is perfect for a Sith. They have battle techniques and can read their opponents minds... much like Vader learning about Leia from Luke in ROTJ. While Obi-wan is dangling from the edge, he remembered his training. He calmed his emotions and cleared his mind of hate and anger... like Jedi are supposed to do. Then you can CLEARLY see that look of confusion on Maul's face as he lost his edge and the Jedi killed him dead.
It was something that annoyed me early on, but over the years and reading the book, I can see what they were doing. it wasn't a plot hole it was just poorly directed. The explainations are there.
baron arem heshvaun |
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The whole nuking the planet thing, as pointed out on a few places was a waste of laser and a screw-up by Tarkin. He trashed a significant Empire asset and the ending would have played out pretty much the same with maybe some rebels managing to survive
This is The Empire and Grand Moff Tarkin at the HIEGHT of their power.
Acts of genocide far more brutal than a the eradication of lone outpost or two were the policy and Miltiary Dogma of the New Order's Tarkin Doctrine (authored and named for the Grand Moff). Which is code speak for 'act like a gentleman but destroy everything that opposes you.'
In the A New Hope novel and screenplay Grand Moff Tarkin even tells Darth Vader he would destroy EVERY planet to the last in the Outer Rim if that's what it would take to end the Rebellion.
He also had sound reasoning.
The Rebels want information. Destroy the Rebels. And ALL trace of said information.
Bonus points if a certain minor ineffectual political rival happens to be in the blast area.
(Grand Moff Tarkin is well aware Director Krennic is on the surface, he is removing THREE problems all at once. The Death Star vaporizes Krennic before it strikes Scarif's surface and peels the crust off.)
There are numerous other worlds that store data like Scarif in more accessible regions.
As an example in the real world, the United States and the U.K. were willing to lose assets and have cities targeted in order not to tip the Nazi's that they had broken the Enigma code.
Set |
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I liked how Tarkin manipulated Krennic into leaving the Death Star.
I like how the laser lops off the top of the tower before hitting the planet. It's like Tarkin told the firing officer, 'It's okay if you miss the base by a couple of kilometers, just make sure to hit the guy in the white cape...'
baron arem heshvaun |
LOL that's exactly my sentiment.
The Rebels want information. Destroy the Rebels. And ALL trace of said information. Bonus points if a certain minor ineffectual political rival happens to be in the blast area.
(Grand Moff Tarkin is well aware Director Krennic is on the surface, he is removing THREE problems all at once. The Death Star vaporizes Krennic before it strikes Scarif's surface and peels the crust off.)
baron arem heshvaun |
Rest in Peace Gordon 'Red Leader' Henley
Tell the Princess and her mum we miss them so.
John Napier 698 |
Hey, Baron.
Found that link again, the one with Vader's scene at the end of Rogue One set to Battlefront gameplay. Here it is.
Mothman |
I went to see Rogue One for the second time last night. Upon (and after) watching it, I noticed a few things in regards to the two previously discussed CGI characters.
My date, who was watching the movie for the first time and hasn’t seen A New Hope for twenty years or so (and didn’t recall Tarkin and couldn’t pick Peter Cushing in a line up) didn’t realise that there was CGI involved at all, she just thought it was the actor. She knew that Leah couldn’t be played by Carrie Fischer but wasn’t sure if it was CGI or prosthetics / makeup.
Charles Scholz |
There was no way they were going to do it justice. Peter Cushing's voice was so distinctive.
If you suspend reality, which you should do when you watch any movie, then it was a passable imitation.