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I put it about on par with Jedi. A bit sloggy at times, pretty good with some memorable scenes, but not an all time classic like anh or empire. I liked it better than force awakens.
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DUDE! spoilers!
DUDE! spoilers!
Amen!
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I saw it a few days ago. Unfortunately, in Egypt 3D movies are only show in 3D, so like the The Force Awakens, I was forced to watch Rogue One in a poor colour palette. Like TFA, the movie was strong enough that I had a great time despite the murky visuals.
Here are some random thoughts (with spoilers), from the perspective of an avid Star Wars fan:
I was really impressed with the bold decision to eliminate all the heroes. It made the final act particularly tense, as the realisation that everyone might die began to creep past the voice in your head shouting “that doesn’t happen in Star Wars!” Although I’m very anti sequels for sequels’ sake, at the end I was hoping Jyn and Andor might pull through – I would quite like to have seen a Rogue Two.
Mind you, if a sequel is made, it could be quite interesting to have numbered Rogues, each with completely different casts and stand-alone missions.
I enjoyed Peter Cushing’s resurrection. Unlike other posters I thought the voice acting for Tarkin was very good. The CGI didn’t bother me at all, but that might have been more to do with the s$#+ 3D. Leia at the end did look a little crude, and I think I would have found that scene stronger if they had never showed her face.
I found the ‘fan service’ moments well-judged and unobtrusive, and the reappearance of Red Squadron pilots put a massive smile on my face.
I also enjoyed Jyn’s team, and it was a shame we didn’t get to spend more time with them. Still, I don’t know how they would have time to have developed the characters without slowing the pace of the movie down. K20’s last stand was great – the rather ignominious deaths of Bodhi and Baze a little less so, although in keeping with the war movie theme. It didn’t occur to me that Chirrut and Baze might be gay, although romantic subplots weren’t really Rogue One’s thing. Although I can’t deny the romantic appeal of sitting on a beach and staring into someone’s eyes as the Death Star vaporises the ocean behind you.
Vader was great, and his ‘carnage in the corridor’ scene was unexpected but utterly perfect.
The music was a little bit of a weak link, but not massively so.
I thought Forest Whittaker did a great job as Saw Guerrera, and the film’s development of the Clone Wars character was interesting and apt. Once again, I wished we’d had more opportunity to spend time with his character, although he went out like a badass, with only a little flinch.
Given the overuse of the superweapon trope in Star Wars (Starkiller Base was the only thing that made me groan in TFA), I really enjoyed seeing the Death Star at work and the sense of dread it evoked. Being planetside for a blast of the superlaser on Jedha was really cool.
Director Krennic was great, and I think the moments were things were unravelling for him made a nice counterpoint to the absolute confidence of Vader and Tarkin.
And incidentally Pan – I loved the score to Prince of Thieves!
My revised ranking of the Star Wars canon would be:
1) Empire Strikes Back
2) A New Hope
3) Return of the Jedi
4) The Force Awakens
5) Rogue One
6) Revenge of the Sith
7) The Phantom Menace
8) Attack of the Clones
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I just remembered something that occurred to me yesterday afternoon: the accents! Our entire main crew all had different accents, it was as if the studio let the actors perform in their natural voice, which was amazing. In previous films, we've been mostly limited to american and vaguely european (british) and other accents were often tossed onto aliens with varying degrees of rascist undertones (I'm looking at you Nute Gunray). It was very refreshing to not only see actors not being shoe horned into american blandness or vague european sameness. Cassian's spanish flair was a nice change from what we usually get, and both Bodhi and Chirrut/Baze keeping their natural accents made the film feel more real.
A lot of people are praising the well deserved performances of people of color, but, to a film lover, having more vocal sounds in a film is perhaps a lesser, but nice nonetheless, addition. (this sentence doesn't work well conveying opinion)
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Agree with archmagi. The only character I wanted to be different was the leader of the rebel fleet assault (mistaking his name, same race as Ackbar, sry my SW knowledge is not strong)sounding exactly like Ackbar. They tend to do this with the more alien races of the franchise sadly. The diverse accents is exactly what you would expect from a group of individuals spread all over the galaxy so great work there.
I was pondering similar things today with a coworker too. I think they should have made R1 a small screen experience. They could have written more detail about the characters and how the empire has hurt them. Also, I could go for hours and hours of a blind semi-jedi.
Well, I wouldn't throw out the idea of a small screen version at some point. The past 10 years have seen a slew of animated shows that take fan favorite characters who don't get much time in the films and spend multiple episodes on them.
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The only character I wanted to be different was the leader of the rebel fleet assault (mistaking his name, same race as Ackbar, sry my SW knowledge is not strong)sounding exactly like Ackbar.
Admiral Raddus.
Admiral Raddus was a male Mon Calamari Admiral from the polar regions of his homeworld Mon Cala (hence his skin tone), who served the Alliance to Restore the Republic during the events leading to the Galactic Civil War.
He commanded his personal MC75 Heavy Cruiser, Profundity, which acted as the impromptu Flagship of the Rebel task force hurriedly assembled for the assault on the Imperial Naval forces during the Battle of Scarif.
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I think the best way to rate good movies is to see how badly you want to rewatch them. I haven't wanted to rewatch a Star Wars film this much since A New Hope. Making it the second best Star Wars film in my never humble opinion.
That said one thing stood out as cinematics winning over physics in the space battle over Scarif.
a) The active ship makes no attempt to move out of the way even though it's thrust would be significantly better than that of the little ship.
b) The active ship takes catastrophically more damage than the inactive one... They are literally the same class of ship the damage should have been equal.
c) They collide with the force expended by the smaller ship... Are Star Destroyers made of tin foil?! That is WAY too much damage.
That reminds me, the fact that they were all apparently in a geosynchronous orbit that close to the planet's surface bothered me for a second before I told myself to quit thinking about physics.
I saw it yesterday and loved it. This should have been the third movie of the prequel trilogy.
That reminds me, the fact that they were all apparently in a geosynchronous orbit that close to the planet's surface bothered me for a second before I told myself to quit thinking about physics.How did you live with the destroyer hovering above that Jedha city then? :)
That is the repulsor lift technology in Star Wars, it is why cars, bikes, robots, and space ships can float in one spot. It isn't till the ships collided that they lost repulsor lift and fell toward the planet.
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That is the repulsor lift technology in Star Wars, it is why cars, bikes, robots, and space ships can float in one spot. It isn't till the ships collided that they lost repulsor lift and fell toward the planet.That reminds me, the fact that they were all apparently in a geosynchronous orbit that close to the planet's surface bothered me for a second before I told myself to quit thinking about physics.How did you live with the destroyer hovering above that Jedha city then? :)
What is the maximum height, per weight, that such a repulsor lift can hold an object? ...and what would happen to an object underneath, such as city full of moving people? :)
What is the maximum height, per weight, that such a repulsor lift can hold an object? ...and what would happen to an object underneath, such as city full of moving people? :)That is the repulsor lift technology in Star Wars, it is why cars, bikes, robots, and space ships can float in one spot. It isn't till the ships collided that they lost repulsor lift and fell toward the planet.That reminds me, the fact that they were all apparently in a geosynchronous orbit that close to the planet's surface bothered me for a second before I told myself to quit thinking about physics.How did you live with the destroyer hovering above that Jedha city then? :)
They don't seem to have defined limits in weight or height beyond what was designed into each vehicle and they exert no force on physical objects beneath them. The only restriction seems to be that they only operate in a gravitational field.
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I don't know, repulser lift is pretty weird. Given how the land speeders stay floating when turned off, but ships need landing gear, something weird's going on. On the other hand, in RotS, when the ship turns perpendicular to the planetary surface during Anakin's and Obi Wan's rescue of Palpatine, so does the artificial gravity; maybe we're seeing gravity enhancement/modification, rather than true artificial gravity. On the other other hand, When Han, Leia and Chewie leave the Falcon on a tiny little asteroid in Empire, they're walking around in a one gee environment, so maybe Star Wars just don't care.
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Baron, the three main planets of the film, Jedha Eidu? And Scarif, where are they geographically? Eidu seems like outer rim simply because it's a research facility, but with Scarifs importance and Jedhas historic context, are these mid rim or core worlds?
If so, I wonder what sort of bickering the respective moffs and grand moffs had when Tarkin or Krennic (under tarkins order) blew crap up in their sectors or over sectors. If it were all outer rim, Tarkin won't mind, but i can see Jedhas sector moff getting irate because they destroyed his historic tax income tourist trap
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They don't seem to have defined limits in weight or height beyond what was designed into each vehicle and they exert no force on physical objects beneath them. The only restriction seems to be that they only operate in a gravitational field.What is the maximum height, per weight, that such a repulsor lift can hold an object? ...and what would happen to an object underneath, such as city full of moving people? :)That is the repulsor lift technology in Star Wars, it is why cars, bikes, robots, and space ships can float in one spot. It isn't till the ships collided that they lost repulsor lift and fell toward the planet.That reminds me, the fact that they were all apparently in a geosynchronous orbit that close to the planet's surface bothered me for a second before I told myself to quit thinking about physics.How did you live with the destroyer hovering above that Jedha city then? :)
There's still a gravitational field in low orbit. :)
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People keep trying to bring realism into the Space Opera Genre. It simply does not work. Otherwise no signal sent out and the end of the Rebellion. Of course realistically the manuever used to destroy the shield should have never worked. Yet Space Opera usually does not follow any law of physics. When they do it's Space Opera physics. It's the same way that instead of frightening non-aligned races by destroying a planet. The Empire simply made things worse and they ended up joining the Rebellion. Everyone afraid of someone who has a world destroying weapon right up until they lose it. Then they simply realize they have nothing to lose and fight back.
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Jedha (H12) is in a largely undeveloped section of the galaxy. Distance-wise, it's not actually far from the core, but few surrounding inhabited worlds and no space lanes. It's close to Rakata Prime, which features indirectly in a lot of Bioware games (the planet rarely appears, but it's inhabitants built the first galactic empire).
Scarif (O16) is actually very close to Tatooine (R16). It's on the Corellian Run space lane, Tatooine is on a perpendicular space lane, but only a few systems away.
Eadu, this is it's first appearance, canon, EU or legends, so it's not on any old maps, or at least I can't find it.
Yavin (P6), a fairly prominent place (we see it 3-4 times?) is on the other side of the galaxy.
The grid coordinates (H12), are for this map if you want to take a look.
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People keep trying to bring realism into the Space Opera Genre. It simply does not work. Otherwise no signal sent out and the end of the Rebellion. Of course realistically the manuever used to destroy the shield should have never worked. Yet Space Opera usually does not follow any law of physics. When they do it's Space Opera physics. It's the same way that instead of frightening non-aligned races by destroying a planet. The Empire simply made things worse and they ended up joining the Rebellion. Everyone afraid of someone who has a world destroying weapon right up until they lose it. Then they simply realize they have nothing to lose and fight back.
out of curiosity, how come you can handwave "space opera physics" but want modernized tech in the films?
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The lack of physics realism usually doesn't bother me... I've just been playing too much Kerbal Space Program, so seeing things hovering in orbit so close to the planet caused some momentary cognitive dissonance. XD
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Cognitive dissonance leads to the dark side.
Tech be damned, let's not get into the strategic and tactical idiocy which permeates the entire history of Star Wars military action... and most, if not all, other space opera...
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Jedha (H12) is in a largely undeveloped section of the galaxy. Distance-wise, it's not actually far from the core, but few surrounding inhabited worlds and no space lanes. It's close to Rakata Prime, which features indirectly in a lot of Bioware games (the planet rarely appears, but it's inhabitants built the first galactic empire).
Scarif (O16) is actually very close to Tatooine (R16). It's on the Corellian Run space lane, Tatooine is on a perpendicular space lane, but only a few systems away.
Eadu, this is it's first appearance, canon, EU or legends, so it's not on any old maps, or at least I can't find it.
Yavin (P6), a fairly prominent place (we see it 3-4 times?) is on the other side of the galaxy.
The grid coordinates (H12), are for this map if you want to take a look.
Dotting under Star Wars Map
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Just saw Rogue one again
In related news, apparently Carrie Fisher had a heart attack on a Trans Atlantic flight. They performed CPR on her as they flew to land, but supposedly she was not breathing for around 10 minutes before she was taken by medical on the ground. She was taken to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center upon landing.
She's now out of the ER but, despite other reports, it's hard to tell whether she is actually stable at this point or not.
I think principle filming of Episode VIII is done now, but I wonder what this warrants for Leia in the rest of the SW future?
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Baron, the three main planets of the film, Jedha Eidu? And Scarif, where are they geographically? Eidu seems like outer rim simply because it's a research facility, but with Scarifs importance and Jedhas historic context, are these mid rim or core worlds?
If so, I wonder what sort of bickering the respective moffs and grand moffs had when Tarkin or Krennic (under tarkins order) blew crap up in their sectors or over sectors. If it were all outer rim, Tarkin won't mind, but i can see Jedhas sector moff getting irate because they destroyed his historic tax income tourist trap
Jedha (H12) is in a largely undeveloped section of the galaxy. Distance-wise, it's not actually far from the core, but few surrounding inhabited worlds and no space lanes. It's close to Rakata Prime, which features indirectly in a lot of Bioware games (the planet rarely appears, but it's inhabitants built the first galactic empire).
Scarif (O16) is actually very close to Tatooine (R16). It's on the Corellian Run space lane, Tatooine is on a perpendicular space lane, but only a few systems away.
Eadu, this is it's first appearance, canon, EU or legends, so it's not on any old maps, or at least I can't find it.
Yavin (P6), a fairly prominent place (we see it 3-4 times?) is on the other side of the galaxy.
The grid coordinates (H12), are for this map if you want to take a look.
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Eadu and Scarif are in the Outer Rim.
Jedha is in the Mid Rim.
Alderaan is in the CORE (this was altered, it used to be located in the Mid Rim in the 1980s), and a founding member of the Old Republic.
Two things to note, officially there was a mining accident on Jedha, no mention of a test fire was reported to the Senate and the Galaxy at large.
Also Jedha was part of a freestanding Sector (Canon), while useful to The Empire, it's Sector may very well not have had a Moff. Maybe part of the reason Saw Gerrera picked the locale to start his insurgency.
By the time Alderaan was destroyed the (mostly rubber stamp) Imperial Senate was disbanded, Grand Moff Tarkin who oversaw Over Sector Outer and The Death Star was answerable only to The Emperor and was charged with crushing the Rebellion by any means necessary.
There are very old notes form 1978/79 well before EU tried to explain things away, that Grand Moff Tarkin was Governor of the Outer Rim Territories, encompassing hundreds of worlds. Further, because of political expediency, alliances and in some cases pure intimidation, two score (40?) other systems (sectors) in other Regions, answered to him in reality and practice.
Lastly, there is a note in The Death Star Technical Companion (1990) that Grand Moff Tarkin was on his way to becoming 'Supreme Moff' had the events of the Battle of Yavin turned out differently.
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Well it makes no sense for the empire to store their CAD server in the outer rim. That or it was another power play by Tarkin to have all the engineering schematics for basically everything located on a planet directly under his control.
IDK, seems the empire wanted to keep the Deathstar on the DL. Vader even made up a mining accident story to explain the first shot. Outer rim is out of the way and the planet was hardly defenseless.
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Just to point out, going under a 1% unemployment rate is usually bad.So is second guessing The Imperial Ministry of Re-education and Propagana, citizen.
Officials of the ISB are en route to your location, for your safety and well being, please comply to their sanctioned manhandling.
Are they cute?