Hi!
What about weapon focus and other such feats with gauntlet and unarmed strike? Do I need separate feats for gauntlet and for unarmed strike? Or I can just take unarmed strike?
I'm not talking about spiked gauntlet.
And what about monk's or brawler's damage, that advanses with levels?
Brawler is still in if they don't trade Close Weapon Mastery which they get at lvl 5 which lets them use their Brawler Unarmed Strike damage of their lvl-4 in place of the damage of a weapon that falls under the Close Weapon Group.
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At that time in 2011 everything on the forums was considered official. The unofficial (mistake in my mind) came along when SRM made a post, got yelled at by jerks saying that it needed to be in FAQ or Errata, and solved it by saying basically ~ fine everything we post is unofficial ~.
We know how they wrote the rules, we know why they changed the items in newer printings. If someone wants to say "that isn't official", then don't play at my table. You won't have fun.
It isn't like this hasn't been this way for ever or anything. In 3.5 days this was a FAQ (+5 gauntlet doesn't let a monk deal monk damage just the 1d3). Pathfinder has always been the same as the 3.5 FAQ. A gauntlet is not a cheap alternative to Amulet of Mighty Fist for the monk. Also before you say "you must hate monks", most of my characters have monk levels. I just don't try to use a gauntlet to deal my 2d6 damage.
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Another post by SKR, wherein the timeline is discussed and Sean opines that Brass Knuckles and so on should get Monk IUS damage.
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PFS players have no choice but go by the letter of the rules, however stupid.
Way to totally miss my point. RAW can have multiple interpretations (all valid for the GM in question) and I always interpret the way that matches RAI.
In this case there is a way to interpret these weapons that do not grant unarmed damage increases from being a monk and do not allow for the weapon bonus to aid in attacks or damage for monk unarmed strike.
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Another post by SKR, wherein the timeline is discussed and Sean opines that Brass Knuckles and so on should get Monk IUS damage.
He has commented on that in the past, as that was his view but the dev team's view didn't match and he got on board with the dev team for future posts.
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PFS players have no choice but go by the letter of the rules, however stupid.Way to totally miss my point. RAW can have multiple interpretations (all valid for the GM in question) and I always interpret the way that matches RAI.
I'm duly impressed, Professor Xavier. But what do you do when the people at Paizo wear helmets to block your telepathic superpowers?
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I'm duly impressed, Professor Xavier. But what do you do when the people at Paizo wear helmets to block your telepathic superpowers?
I guess we get to be jolly today.
We know how it is supposed to be interpreted by the dev team's various accounts. If you choose not to interpret that way, it is fine. It is your game. But when the question is asked, should we kid around? Should be tell them it doesn't work the way the dev team wrote the lines and that they can be interpreted to work that way? Or should we bury that fact and assert it works some other way?
Which best serves the readers in general?
A better way might be us clicking on the post below and having a high number of FAQ on this question so it gets answered in a way that the people who don't like the answer must house rule it away instead of saying "that isn't official".
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A 20th level Monk with a +5 Gauntlet can Flurry of Blow at +25 (+ STR) for 2d10+5 (+ STR) with his Gauntlets, right?
(same question for Cestus, Brass Knuckles, and other Unarmed weapons)
Isn't that the point of the thread? It's not like that's some sort of ridiculous amount of damage for a level 20 character.
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I don't think we have a clear question on this matter with more than a couple FAQ clicks. That may be because the question isn't really something that comes up often. I certainly don't see many people trying to use a Gauntlet or Brass Knuckles at tables and get Monk unarmed. So I made a clear question without much extra info.
Personally, I think the RAW says that the gauntlets count as unarmed strikes and thus count as unarmed strikes for all cases. But I don't like that ruling, because it makes the monk favor gauntlets over their own bodies as weapons. For flavor, monks should be using their bodies over most other weapons, but there isn't good RAW support for it.
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Another post by SKR, wherein the timeline is discussed and Sean opines that Brass Knuckles and so on should get Monk IUS damage.He has commented on that in the past, as that was his view but the dev team's view didn't match and he got on board with the dev team for future posts.
Look at the date of that post, it was made after he left Paizo. Basically, It comes own to a disagreement between Jason and Sean on the intent of the item. Since Sean is the one who actually wrote the item in question, I tend to value his opinion over Jason's in this instance. But there is not an official answer anywhere, and if there is one it's going to upset some people.
I say let it lie, make your own choices for home games, and avoid the items in PFS. Unless you are a brawler, and then you get everything thanks to close combat mastery.
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I think the RAW says that the gauntlets count as unarmed strikes ... I don't like that ruling ... monks should be using their bodies over most other weapons, but there isn't good RAW support for it.
There are multiple RAW interpretations. We are polar opposites of what we think the RAW says unambiguously. The developers have post that the position of the development team is Gauntlets are weapons and deal a static amount of damage to all (no enhancement for 20th level Monks). So ultimately, the only fix for this ambiguity is a FAQ. So please click the FAQ above.
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I say let it lie, make your own choices for home games, and avoid the items in PFS. Unless you are a brawler, and then you get everything thanks to close combat mastery.
I bow to you sir.
That very close to my stance (however I'd rather we had an official answer), and something these forums need more. Acceptance that there are different interpretations and there isn't always only one way to read a rule.
Hi to everybody!
Have we got some point for this question in this two years??
If my monk want to enchant his unarmed strike can equip a gauntlet and use his arm to do unarmed strike using the monk unarmed strike damage?
Can I use it in a flurry of blow?
Thank you!
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No closer.
Hero lab got informed by Paizo that you can not make + 1 gauntlets so they changed how they implement the rules. Dev's talked about possibly issuing a FAQ on this last year. It hasn't arrived yet. The email to hero lab from Paizo seemed to conflate unarmed attack and unarmed strike. So we can't predict how it will go easily. If it goes the way of 2011 thinking gauntlets are gauntlet unarmed attacks. Amulet of Might Fists will enhance and 20th level monks deal 1d3 with gauntlets. If it goes the way of the Herolab response gauntlets will get removed from the weapon list (so no cold iron or +1 gauntlets).
Mark Seifter mentioned that this topic was being expedited through the FAQ queue. That was almost a year ago, so hopefully we'll have a FAQ soon.