You want the challenge damage but don't want to play a paladin. That to me is kinda the biggest thing about cavaliers outside of lv1 mount, their lv to damage like a paladin.
Honestly if you roll high enough anything is possible. My horse can do anything if I can roll it to do those things. I've nailed climb and swim checks with it my party couldn't make. How did the horse end up climbing up a 15 foot wall? Who knows, but the d20 said it happened.
You also can find a new different mount if you want to.
I would be pretty surprised to discover that the Daring Champion deals any more damage than a standard cavalier, and suspect that the opposite is actually true.
I agree his damage is almost certain to go down, but he gains a lot more versatility in his combat style. Not being negated by being unable to charge or having opponents that block charge lanes effectively negating his abilities. It might not put up the DPR numbers, but I think it is very likely more robust.
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I would be pretty surprised to discover that the Daring Champion deals any more damage than a standard cavalier, and suspect that the opposite is actually true.I agree his damage is almost certain to go down, but he gains a lot more versatility in his combat style. Not being negated by being unable to charge or having opponents that block charge lanes effectively negating his abilities. It might not put up the DPR numbers, but I think it is very likely more robust.
I think you may be right, but I'd certainly consider it a fair trade either way. One gets boosted damage, action economy, and the other benefits of a built-in partner, the other is more versatile in their round to round options and less reliant on good party coordination.
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The fact that it costs feats, and mounted combat works better with feats. So using up your feats also means it'll take a while to get the rest of your feats.
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The fact that it costs feats, and mounted combat works better with feats. So using up your feats also means it'll take a while to get the rest of your feats.
This. Plus, you won't get the increased charge multiplier and other mounted and charge related add-ons that come with the base Cavalier, a longsword won't give you the free multiplier the lance does, and your mount won't get free light armor proficiency. You'll also be restricted from taking things like the Monstrous Mount feats, which specifically call out the Mount and Hunter's Bond class features, so no hippogryph or other magical beastie.
The base Cavalier will pretty much always be the better mounted combatant with higher dpr.
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The fact that it costs feats, and mounted combat works better with feats. So using up your feats also means it'll take a while to get the rest of your feats.This. Plus, you won't get the increased charge multiplier and other mounted and charge related add-ons that come with the base Cavalier, a longsword won't give you the free multiplier the lance does, and your mount won't get free light armor proficiency. You'll also be restricted from taking things like the Monstrous Mount feats, which specifically call out the Mount and Hunter's Bond class features, so no hippogryph or other magical beastie.
The base Cavalier will pretty much always be the better mounted combatant with higher dpr.
Not to derail, but looking up the Monstrous Mount feat reminded me how cruelly Paizo punishes you for trying to get a flying mount. Specifically halved fly speed while they're being ridden for no reason other than to spit on you. I kinda wish using a mount for increased mobility actually increased my mobility AFTER SPENDING TWO FEATS ON IT.
Can a Daring Champion just take Animal Ally (horse)? And then use Spirited Charge with, say, a longsword?
I don't see how Daring Champing < cavalier - mount + precise strike. Seems you can still add a mount back in for 2 feats, 3 for Boon Companion. Am I missing something?
if you are going that route why not tiger so your companion has pounce? hell if you are good get celestial companion. 4 feats but the trade off is probably better than what you have spent on feats anyways.
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if you are going that route why not tiger so your companion has pounce? hell if you are good get celestial companion. 4 feats but the trade off is probably better than what you have spent on feats anyways.Can a Daring Champion just take Animal Ally (horse)? And then use Spirited Charge with, say, a longsword?
I don't see how Daring Champing < cavalier - mount + precise strike. Seems you can still add a mount back in for 2 feats, 3 for Boon Companion. Am I missing something?
Animal Ally gives you a pet from the Ranger list, which is much more limited. They get like badger, bird, cat(small), horse, snake, wolf, and I think one other. Big cat is not an option for a character going that route.
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It's the same list as the one from Hunter's Bond:
badger, bird, camel, cat (small), dire rat, dog, horse, pony, snake (viper or constrictor), or wolf.
a wolf with undersized mount maybe? your ride runs in and attack+trips them, you get your spirited charge off with the prone bonus?
Ew, why the once-per-day restriction on Shatterspell? For a 10th level Barbarian "once per rage" equals "once per round"; there basically isn't a limitation on Spell Sunder.
For a 10th level Barbarian "once per rage" equals "once per round"; there basically isn't a limitation on Spell Sunder.
How exactly do you get that?
For a 10th level Barbarian "once per rage" equals "once per round"; there basically isn't a limitation on Spell Sunder.How exactly do you get that?
Rage cycling
Rage cyclingFor a 10th level Barbarian "once per rage" equals "once per round"; there basically isn't a limitation on Spell Sunder.How exactly do you get that?
If you mean by fatigue immunity then it's not "once per rage equals once per round" it's "once per rage equals once per attack", and anyway the barbarian should get fatigue immunity at 17th level, you need to do dip one level oracle and pick a specific curse to get this result (hardly something that the writer of spell sunder could have taken into account).
If you mean by fatigue immunity then it's not "once per rage equals once per round" it's "once per rage equals once per attack", and anyway the barbarian should get fatigue immunity at 17th level, you need to do dip one level oracle and pick a specific curse to get this result (hardly something that the writer of spell sunder could have taken into account).Rage cyclingFor a 10th level Barbarian "once per rage" equals "once per round"; there basically isn't a limitation on Spell Sunder.How exactly do you get that?
Androids can rage cycle as pure Barbarians with 1 feat.
Androids can rage cycle as pure Barbarians with 1 feat.If you mean by fatigue immunity then it's not "once per rage equals once per round" it's "once per rage equals once per attack", and anyway the barbarian should get fatigue immunity at 17th level, you need to do dip one level oracle and pick a specific curse to get this result (hardly something that the writer of spell sunder could have taken into account).Rage cyclingFor a 10th level Barbarian "once per rage" equals "once per round"; there basically isn't a limitation on Spell Sunder.How exactly do you get that?
Yes i know.
If you mean by fatigue immunity then it's not "once per rage equals once per round" it's "once per rage equals once per attack", and anyway the barbarian should get fatigue immunity at 17th level, you need to do dip one level oracle and pick a specific curse to get this result (hardly something that the writer of spell sunder could have taken into account).Rage cyclingFor a 10th level Barbarian "once per rage" equals "once per round"; there basically isn't a limitation on Spell Sunder.How exactly do you get that?
It's only practical to do it once per round. Otherwise, you would have to spend a number or rounds of rage equal to the number of attacks you wanted to make. Which is highly impractical and unnecessary. However, you are right that you could do it every attack since you can begin and end rage as a free action between the attacks of a full attack. That is assuming you are in fact immune to fatigue.
Further, there are several ways to get immunity to fatigue. No need to wait till level 17, no need to dip lame oracle. You can do it with a Cord of Stubborn Resolve. And there are other ways to do it as well.
And sure, the writers of once per day rage powers probably didn't anticipate the ability to get around the limitation of being able to cycle thorugh rage, but honestly its hardly over powered. Most of the rage powers that are once per rage are honestly so terrible because of that restriction that without rage cycling they are a waste of space.
If you go with Cord of Stubborn Resolve then you give up your belt slot, which means that you now can't have your +STR and +CON belt, yes you can go for the ioun stones but those are very expensive.
Anyway, i don't think that rage cyclying is needed to make the once per rage, rage powers worth taking, sure it depends on the rage power but in general i think that it's ok.
If you go with Cord of Stubborn Resolve then you give up your belt slot, which means that you now can't have your +STR and +CON belt, yes you can go for the ioun stones but those are very expensive.
Anyway, i don't think that rage cyclying is needed to make the once per rage, rage powers worth taking, sure it depends on the rage power but in general i think that it's ok.
For non-PFS games I think most GMs would allow you to add on strength to the belt afterwards, of course this only applies to home games and does require the GM to allow some customization of items, but it is relatively straight forward. For PFS, it is probably easier to simply take your 9th level in lame oracle, to get the immeadiate benefit of fatigue immunity.
The Flawed Scarlet and Green Ioun Stone/Internal Fortitude combo is what I was thinking of specifically. 8k gp is chump change for a level 10 adventurer and the rewards are certainly worth it.
because 7th is a ways into the game, and gettign things early is nice?
Or retrain it at 7th so it isn't never a waste?