What Other Races Do You Want to See More Support?


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The Book of Heroic Races Compendium presents favored class options for all Core classes, plus the APG, UM, and Dreamscarred Press' Psionics Unleashes classes for all races presented in the book plus the dhampir, drow, duergar, fetchling, grippli, hobgoblin, kobold, orc, ratfolk, tiefling, and wayang. Are there any other races that you want to see a full list of favored class options for? How about some more racial options for existing races. Any additional classes you feel should be added to this list? This goes for Pathfinder made or Pathfinder Compatible races/classes.

Edit: To save the future threadjacking over what my motives are, I hope they are obvious. If not, feel free to ask.

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8

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Kitsune, tengu, catfolk, merfolk, and gillmen.

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Android, Changeling, Suli, Samsaran, Vishkanya, and Skinwalker. Everything else I could want appears to already be on the list =)

For more classes, if cross-3pp is available, anything from Dreamscarred (pretty-please including Path of War which is coming out completed next week? =D ) and Super/Rogue Genius Games.


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vishkanya and android

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Orthos wrote:
Skinwalker. Everything else I could want appears to already be on the list =)

I'm familiar with all of them, but this one. Where is it detailed? Glad to hear that you're a fan on the non-core book races too.

Orthos wrote:
Path of War

Yea, I'm really looking forward to this one. Expect to see support for it.

Shadow Lodge

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Skinwalker. Everything else I could want appears to already be on the list =)
I'm familiar with all of them, but this one. Where is it detailed?

Blood of the Moon. They're the lycanthrope-descended race.

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Glad to hear that you're a fan on the non-core book races too.

Love me some non-standard fantasy critters. I'm one of those people who's grown bored of the Standard Seven. (Well, barring Paizo's unique take on Gnomes.)


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And Wyrwoods!
i have an idea for a mythic golem crafter toiling away in secret in Irrisen named Gepetto with his Wyrwood Rogue/Assassin named Pinnochio.

he's secretly the guy churning out all the Guardian Huts and such for Baba Yaga:)


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Anything and everything that is not the CRB races and goblinoids/orcs/kobolds. They got plenty.

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Wolfwaker wrote:

Kitsune, tengu, catfolk, merfolk, and gillmen.

Look no further.

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captain yesterday wrote:
Wyrwoods!

Also not familiar with this one. Where can I find it?

Silver Crusade

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Wyrwoods!
Also not familiar with this one. Where can I find it?

They debuted in the ARG as a Race Builder example and got a full entry in Bestiary 4 IIRC.

Personally I'd nominate Ghorans from the Inner Sea Bestiary if they're open. :)

Also throwing in a vote for more Vishkanya love!


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Wyrwoods!
Also not familiar with this one. Where can I find it?

HERE from the ARG race Builder on the SRD...

AND

HERE from the Bestiary 4 Wyrwood entry on the SRD...

Dark Archive

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Android, Changeling (related to other Hag types?)

Samsarans are a gold mine of potential for people wanting to play a gender-swapped or race-bent character (someone who reincarnated into a very different body when they were born Samsaran, ranging from Jadzia Dax shenanigans to full-on Sinclair-becomes-Minbari).

Vishkanya, Suli and Tengu could definitely use some fleshing out.

Guidelines to make playable versions of less-'PC friendly' races like Derro, Dark Folk, Centaurs, Ogrekin and Mites could be neat, as part of an exploration of one of those races.


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Alexander Augunas wrote:
Wolfwaker wrote:

Kitsune, tengu, catfolk, merfolk, and gillmen.

Look no further.

Oh damn. Well, that's a must-buy for me.

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Alrighty. All good thoughts. Question: what is it about the Vishkanyas that you like (if you are one of the people asking for them)? Most of the other races I get. But Vishkanyas elude me. What about them makes them a race you love? Is it the "they make natural ninjas" aspect that you like or what?

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Mikaze wrote:
Ghorans ... if they're open.

I will look into that.


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yeah all the "new" ARG races would be nice. We don't really have much at all for Wyrwoods, Wyvarans, Trox, and Gathlain. Some of the really new races would be nice too, like the Kuru, Shabti, Ghoran, Syrinx, and Monkey Goblins.


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they're snakey human like, and we know almost nothing about them except the above and their name most likely originates from the indian culture

i would also like something about Samsarans and how the fit into other cultures (im sure the dont just reincarnate in asia after all:)


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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Alrighty. All good thoughts. Question: what is it about the Vishkanyas that you like (if you are one of the people asking for them)? Most of the other races I get. But Vishkanyas elude me. What about them makes them a race you love? Is it the "they make natural ninjas" aspect that you like or what?

For me it's the idea of a serpent-blooded race that isn't necessarily tied to a plane or elemental gimmick. And being the only naturally venomous race (IIRC) is really cool.

Silver Crusade

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Alrighty. All good thoughts. Question: what is it about the Vishkanyas that you like (if you are one of the people asking for them)? Most of the other races I get. But Vishkanyas elude me. What about them makes them a race you love? Is it the "they make natural ninjas" aspect that you like or what?

This is just my opinion, but:

It's a bit of the "snake person" vibe combined with the perception of them being poisonous(metaphorically) outsiders within the very cultures they live in while at the same time possibly having an established place within it(especially if there's a caste system going on). It's a bit of the tiefling stigma, but with a bit more acceptability while still being held at arm's length.

That and the race just screams "court intrigue" to me. And they also serve as a natural fit for building naga-centric cultures around(I have to admit that I prefer the vishkanya over the nagaji for this role).

...I guess if I had to sum up what I want out of vishkanyas, it would be: Ascetic decadence.

...

Or decadent asceticism.

One of those two. ;)

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Also, concurring with samsarans being awesome candidates for expansion and exploration. :)

Transcendant ascetics or transcendant decadence with those folks.

Shadow Lodge

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Pretty much seconding everything already said. That and the Vishkanya replace Yuan-Ti Purebloods the same way Serpentfolk replace the more exotic Yuan-Ti variants.

On that note, something for Serpentfolk would be cool. Doubly so if there can be a version of them balanced better for PC playability.

Dark Archive

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Orthos wrote:

Pretty much seconding everything already said. That and the Vishkanya replace Yuan-Ti Purebloods the same way Serpentfolk replace the more exotic Yuan-Ti variants.

On that note, something for Serpentfolk would be cool. Doubly so if there can be a version of them balanced better for PC playability.

Ooh, yes! I do miss the Freeport setting with it's much more 'PC friendly' Serpentfolk.


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Changeling and Samsaran would be appreciated. I enjoy the "like human, but" races.

Grand Lodge

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Kitsune, Tengu & Ratvolk

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Ok, as of this post we have:

Races
Kitsune 2
tengu 3
catfolk 1
merfolk 1
gillmen 1
Android 3
Changeling 3
Suli 2
Samsaran 5
Vishkanya 5
Skinwalker1
Wyrwoods 2
Ghorans 2
Derro 1
Dark Folk 1
Centaurs 1
Ogrekin 1
Mites 1
Wyvarans 1
Trox 1
Gathlain 1
Kuru 1
Shabti 1
Syrinx 1
Monkey Goblins 1
Serpentfolk 2
Ratfolk 1 (although ratfolk already have favored class options in the Book of Heroic Races Compendium, I'm assuming this is asking for more development beyond this.)

(Just a quick note, not all of these may be open content, I will investigate)

Classes added to the list for getting racial features (racial archetypes, favored class options, etc)
Dreamscarred's Path of War 1
Advanced Class Guide classes 1 (asked for on Facebook)

Any others?


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Catfolk, Gnoll, Kobold, and Wyvaran, and someone that will pay me to illustrate the races for them. :P


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Kitsune
catfolk
merfolk
gillmen
Changeling
Derro
Wyvarans
Syrinx
Ratfolk


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for races: catfolk, gnoll, wyvaran, trox, wyrwood, syrinx, strix, suli, shabti, ratfolk, ogrekin, lizardfolk, some sort of playable skulk, a new law-descended native outsider if we can request wholly new things, a playable bugbear, a playable wikkawak (if they're open-content), grippli, tengu, vishkanya, vanara, skinwalkers, and probably some others that i'm forgetting.

for classes i want options for: everything from DSP's akashic mysteries, advanced class guide everything, path of war, more for psionics, every single rogue genius games and little red goblin games class (if possible), every single class produced by rite publishing and 4 winds fantasy gaming and purple duck games (again, if possible). oh, and if it can be done, gooddevil press's amazon class.


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Wayangs.

Because if you say their race's name fast, everyone bursts out laughing.

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Thelemic_Noun wrote:

Wayangs.

Because if you say their race's name fast, everyone bursts out laughing.

I always thought the same thing, but I never wanted to say that out loud.


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MOAR CATFOLKSES!!!!11!!22!!!333456089854675981!!!

probably could've worded that better, but I haven't slept in an hour


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Trox.


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On a more serious note, I'll also cast votes for:


  • Caliban (either the Ravenloft version or the newer one)
  • Dark Folk
  • Derro
  • Morlocks
  • Sinspawn
  • Troglodytes


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Android, Skinwalker, Kobold, Wyrwood, Kitsune, and Catfolk are my top choices.

Shadow Lodge

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Gah! Can't believe I forgot. Add Kobolds to my list as well.


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I say Merfolk followed by Vishkanya and catfolk.

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Necromancer wrote:

Caliban (either the Ravenloft version or the newer one)

Do you know if these have been reproduced anywhere beyond ravenloft? If not, is there a close monster/race?

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I would like to take a moment and say I am so glad to see so many that want something more than elves and dwarves. You all are my gaming tribe.


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Huzzah!!!


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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Necromancer wrote:

Caliban (either the Ravenloft version or the newer one)

Do you know if these have been reproduced anywhere beyond ravenloft? If not, is there a close monster/race?

Well, both are pretty different, but I like both uses of the term and its origin.

Ravenloft's caliban was basically an Igor race that used the half-orc stats. I can't give the specifics for the Paizo version, but I saw the entry in Tears at Bitter Manor when I was last at the bookstore (hadn't made up my mind whether to run--and buy--the pdf or not); basically Pathfinder's take on hagspawn.

*Why caliban? Because of my long time love of the hagspawn (male hag offspring) race and the massive appeal of an Igor race.

Shadow Lodge

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Necromancer wrote:
Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Necromancer wrote:

Caliban (either the Ravenloft version or the newer one)

Do you know if these have been reproduced anywhere beyond ravenloft? If not, is there a close monster/race?

Well, both are pretty different, but I like both uses of the term and its origin.

Ravenloft's caliban was basically an Igor race that used the half-orc stats. I can't give the specifics for the Paizo version, but I saw the entry in Tears at Bitter Manor when I was last at the bookstore (hadn't made up my mind whether to run--and buy--the pdf or not); basically Pathfinder's take on hagspawn.

*Why caliban? Because of my long time love of the hagspawn (male hag offspring) race and the massive appeal of an Igor race.

The one from Tears was from last year's Superstar, it was one of the submitted monsters. You can find it over on the Superstar forums.


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Monkey Goblins! You have my moneys if you do.

Also a Fighter FCB for Goblins would be nice.


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Orthos wrote:
Necromancer wrote:
Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Necromancer wrote:

Caliban (either the Ravenloft version or the newer one)

Do you know if these have been reproduced anywhere beyond ravenloft? If not, is there a close monster/race?

Well, both are pretty different, but I like both uses of the term and its origin.

Ravenloft's caliban was basically an Igor race that used the half-orc stats. I can't give the specifics for the Paizo version, but I saw the entry in Tears at Bitter Manor when I was last at the bookstore (hadn't made up my mind whether to run--and buy--the pdf or not); basically Pathfinder's take on hagspawn.

*Why caliban? Because of my long time love of the hagspawn (male hag offspring) race and the massive appeal of an Igor race.

The one from Tears was from last year's Superstar, it was one of the submitted monsters. You can find it over on the Superstar forums.

Link to the entry--not sure if the final version was exactly the same

**Thanks, Demiurge 1138 for the cool creature.

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Ok, as of this post we have:

Races
Kitsune 4
tengu 4
catfolk 7
merfolk 3
gillmen 2
Android 4
Changeling 4
Suli 3
Samsaran 5
Vishkanya 8
Skinwalker 3
Wyrwoods 4
Ghorans 2
Derro 3
Dark Folk 2
Centaurs 1
Ogrekin 2
Mites 1
Wyvarans 5
Trox 3
Gathlain 1
Kuru 1
Shabti 2
Syrinx 3
Monkey Goblins 2
Serpentfolk 2
Ratfolk 3
Caliban 1
Morlocks 1
Sinspawn 1
Troglodytes 1
Kobold 3
Wayang 1
Gnoll 2

Classes
Dreamscarred's Path of War 1
Advanced Class Guide classes 1 (asked for on Facebook)

Note: I have to go through lindley court's post to see if there are and races/classes not already on the list. Sorry, I have to get to bed.


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Add a vote for Wyvaran, Tengu, and Merfolk from me too please. Totally forgot about them.

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Just a quick note, I started having conversations with writers for some races on this list.


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I'm going to add Gnoll, Lizardfolk, Wyvaran, Tengu, Hobgoblin, Android, and I'll toss in Darkfolk for the sake of rounding out what I realize is mostly team evil. And they're cool, that's the most important reason.

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Green Smashomancer wrote:
I'm going to add Gnoll, Lizardfolk, Wyvaran, Tengu, Hobgoblin, Android, and I'll toss in Darkfolk for the sake of rounding out what I realize is mostly team evil. And they're cool, that's the most important reason.

I was about say, "wyvaran, tengu, and androids are not necessarily on team evil," but then I noticed you said mostly. So never mind.


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Samsaran and Changeling.

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