What Other Races Do You Want to See More Support?


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Tacticslion wrote:
- Mites

Do-da-dooo *setting up tomorow's blog post* ...

Question: Android Wilder, how would you do it? Androids have the emotionless trait and wilders have emotions that, well, run wild. How would you handle it?


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I second the votes for Kitsune and Samsaran both have nice flavor and some cool mechanics and I would love to see them get more love and attention.


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Oh, yeah, Ifrits and Wikkawaks too! Also, I always thought it'd be cool for to have a race of dragon-folk that took their cue from eastern dragons.


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More or less as an "accidental overdrive" type of ability.

Think Data with the Emotion chip, when he first received it - technically he could turn it off whenever he wanted, but that's not really how it worked. Sometimes it just went off on it's own, and Data seemed completely insane during that time.

It really fits, to me, with what's happening to a wilder: they suddenly enter this state of Euphoria that causes their power to surge and increase... and being euphoric in the midst of combat is not generally considered sane.

For fluff, you could say that there's some sort of crystalline impurity that messes with the normal nanite functions that an android relies on to work properly that suddenly gives them the ability to surge with euphoria and emotion.

It could be an accident, the result of a massive localized incident (thus permanently limiting the numbers of androids with the ability to become wilders), or it could be the results of research by certain androids to find the key to having emotions... and this serum instead unlocked uncontrollable emotions and latent psionic potential.

There are really all sorts of options to go with it, and it's a phenomenal idea.

I heart the fact that you're doing this, by the way...

(Also: squeeeee~! Mites!)


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There's a feat that allows Android Barbarians to rage, and it requires a decent Charisma - I imagine it would function similarly for Android Wilders.


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Cool! That could be a thing, too. :D

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Oh no! Its an Asthma of Mites!


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Hahah, I did something very similar with the Mites in my Kingmaker game for the same reason. Instead of high-pitched squeaky, I went for nasal and whiny. "Mmnyoooaaaan, why are you all so mean to meeeee? Mmnnnyyoooooaannn...."


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For those looking for something for the dark folk, keep an eye on Rogue Genius Games announcements later this month (fingers crossed) or early next.


Lizardfolk definitely.
Gillmen.
Strix. Particularly some tips for GMs on running a low-level game with flying characters.
Ratfolk.
Centaurs.
Kasatha.


Lizardfolk. Preferably the standard greenscales and a huge, angry blackscale race. (I love me some blackscales.) Wouldn't mind seeing 4e's Dragonborn in some legally acceptable fashion.

Also, ogres. Or some other "small" giant breed that is still actually a giant. I SUPPOSE half-ogres and such would be acceptable, but I really wouldn't mind a few options for Large-size PC races (see also Blackscale lizardfolk) (mechanics issues from being Large and all notwithstanding).

The trox are a really interesting race to me and I would LOVE to see more about them. I also second the Strix with the tips for balancing. Wouldn't mind centaurs. It still boggles my mind that jackal/dog-headed races haven't become a thing in a world where tengu, ratfolk, vanaras, nagaji, catfolk, etc etc etc are common and accepted races.

Would love to see more support for some of the psionic races, elans in particular. Also, a proper yaun-ti-type PC race - with the serpent bottom ends (yeah, I realize they're closed content, but it must be possible to weasel around that somehow). I do love the vishkanyas, and put me down for a +1 on them, but the nagaji were a huge disappointment for me (they’re just too human-looking for my taste).

I'm always a fan of more Outsider-descended races, particularly ones descended from the neutral Outsiders. I adore aasimar and tieflings, so where's the middle ground? Especially a race for the Inevitables and FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND UNHOLY PLEASE PLEASE psychopomp descendants. While we're on the topic of unnatural squick, how about some other undead-gene races other than the dhamphir? Descended from other intelligent undead - artificially created lich-spawn, ghoultainted, oh man so many good options. Throw a vote in for the Wyrwoods for me too. Construct races are a win for me in the right context. Also, the four elementally descended races.

How about a Pathfinderized version of the Avarial? Winged elves. We've got the Strix, so their IS a precedent for flying races from level one (even if they are a wee bit overpowered for a few levels...). Toss the Wyvaren on that pile too.

Also, secondeded on the alien races. Totally bizarre races that make my players go "Uh... what... um?" are a-okay by me. Dromites and Thri-Kreen, yes please.

I would also be very grateful for hobgoblin support. I’ve always been very strongly in the camp of hobgoblins having no good reason for being universally evil – they’re as intelligent and as capable as any human, elf, or dwarf – and I really think they deserve way more credit than they tend to get. In a similar vein, gnolls. Tack me on for orcs while you’re at it.

Samsarans. Their flavor is one of the coolest things in the ARG (very reminiscent of 4e’s Deva, which imo was one of the best things to come out of 4e). In a (not really) related thought, I WOULD throw a vote in for the gill-men, but I think they were one of the worst parts of the ARG. Their flavor – FANTASTIC. Their potential was just so, SO squandered. Water-dependent humans? Boring. SO boring. They were experimented on by aboleths! They should be mutated and twisted and… well, Far-Realm-y. How about a proper race warped by powers from the Far Realm?

I’m certain this isn’t an exhaustive list, but just off the top of my head this should be a good start.


+1 for blackscale/greenscale 4e style Lizardfolk treatments…

+1 for xeph

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Noted on the blackscale/greenscale request.

As for a dragonborn analogue, what constitutes dragonborn to you mechanically? Is it just the breath weapon that you guys like?


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I honestly like both versions of Dragonborn for different reasons, though of the two I personally preferred 3.5's version myself.

I loved the flavor and lore behind the metamorphic 3.5 Dragonborn, devotees of Bahamut who were so devout (or perhaps fanatical) as to dedicate their entire existence to him, surrendering their former identity to be reborn in his image. That's damn cool and something I've adopted and expanded for my own homebrew setting - instead of devotion to a single deity, I've opened it up to devotion to any of the draconic patrons or perhaps even to a specific dragon themselves.

4E's Dragonborn on the other hand have a cool factor of just plain being nearly a playable dragon. Breath weapon is nice, and really it's probably the main thing that makes a race a "dragon" race compared to a "reptilian humanoid/lizardfolk" race.


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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Skinwalker. Everything else I could want appears to already be on the list =)
I'm familiar with all of them, but this one. Where is it detailed? Glad to hear that you're a fan on the non-core book races too.

I knew I couldn't be alone in my boredom with humans.

As for the OP, ratfolk and Merfolk.


Ratfolk. I love the little guys. I need to find a game so I can play one!

-Kcinlive


Orthos wrote:

I honestly like both versions of Dragonborn for different reasons, though of the two I personally preferred 3.5's version myself.

I loved the flavor and lore behind the metamorphic 3.5 Dragonborn, devotees of Bahamut who were so devout (or perhaps fanatical) as to dedicate their entire existence to him, surrendering their former identity to be reborn in his image. That's damn cool and something I've adopted and expanded for my own homebrew setting - instead of devotion to a single deity, I've opened it up to devotion to any of the draconic patrons or perhaps even to a specific dragon themselves.

4E's Dragonborn on the other hand have a cool factor of just plain being nearly a playable dragon. Breath weapon is nice, and really it's probably the main thing that makes a race a "dragon" race compared to a "reptilian humanoid/lizardfolk" race.

This, mostly. Two very different kinds of equally-cool dragon people. In my own homebrew setting I actually have 4e's Dragonborn as simply a different breed of lizardfolk, and 3.5's as pretty similar to what Orthos mentioned.

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Secret Wizard wrote:
What the hell is a Spider Goblin

Ooh, Spider-Eye Goblins.

They could be Golarion-ed up by having some Chitterwoods tribe of goblins recovering from a demoralizing near-annihilation by renewing their vows to the Mother of Monsters, and her 'blessing' them with offspring that combine the traits of the local giant spiders with their own goblin blood...

Other (perhaps more setting neutral) variants could make things interesting. Goblins that have grown up in a region where the borders between the material plane and the plane of shadow might have coal-black skin, better than average stealth and darkvision, and stronger than normal light vulnerability / light blindness, as well as the ability to snuff small light sources (darkness effect only usable to negate cantrip level light effects, or snuff torches, lanterns, sunrods, etc.). A Bugbear breed specializing in hunting fey might have some supernatural ability to resist fey magic and pass through woodlands as if it was a 4th level druid.


Well, if things have moved on to classes we'd like to see get a little bit of attention. Ever since having looked at the witch class, I felt that they lacked an archetype that really caught the "mysterious enchantress" vibe, and it mystified me that there was nothing that changed the casting stat of a witch to charisma.

And while we're on witches and charisma, getting something for changelings would be nice. I can see them fitting very nicely for a Player Companion in the vein of Blood of Angels/Fiends/Elementals/Night/Moon line, with an exploration into different hag bloodlines. Imagine it, "Blood of the Coven".

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Its not that the discussion has moved to classes as much as racial archetypes. So the question is do people care enough about the gunslinger to see a racial archetype. Or the converse being would people be upset if we pretended the gunslinger didn't exist when developing these races. And so on for the other non-core classes


Gunslinger 4EVA!

(Psionic Gunslinger?! A soulknife archetype?!)

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Tacticslion wrote:
Psionic Gunslinger?! A soulknife archetype?!

The real question for that is: should a soulknife (marksman would be a better fit, IMO) archetype that uses guns be limited to ... catfolk just as an example or should we save that idea for a different supplement devoted to archetypes?


I'd actually recommend a different supplement altogether.

However, the idea of it has substantial merit in general, and was inspired by your words and earlier posts. :)


It's honestly tough for me to respond to that question, as I tend to houserule away 90% of racial limits to classes, feats, and spells. Pretty much if it's not devoted to working out some aspect of the race's anatomy (such as a feat to let catfolk rend with their claws, for example, wouldn't be available to races that don't have claws) I tend to allow it for anyone.

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Orthos wrote:
It's honestly tough for me to respond to that question, as I tend to houserule away 90% of racial limits to classes, feats, and spells. Pretty much if it's not devoted to working out some aspect of the race's anatomy (such as a feat to let catfolk rend with their claws, for example, wouldn't be available to races that don't have claws) I tend to allow it for anyone.

I agree. Which is why in the Book of Heroic Races Compendium you see alot of things like feats that allow the half-faerie dragons to use their breath weapon more often and in different ways, seedling archetypes that let them use a whip they make from their own "hair" in different ways, etc.

Sure, anyone can take the faerie dragon sorcerer bloodline, cast the spell swarm of angry kobolds, or create a deity with the psychopomp subdomain, but those is more the exception rather than the rule. Even then, they are highly thematic for the specific race. There are far more options like the Bear Paw feat for the ursine that normally can use large light, one handed weapons without penalty can now use large melee and two-handed weapons without penalty. Or the melodian fighter archetype that has grants bardic performance because they are such a music-based race. Or the progeny feats that let a fosterling become an even greater Cthulian horror then they already are.

Now that is not to say that you can't do things like allow a dragon disciple to take the half-faerie dragon breath weapon feats or allow a strix to use the half-faerie dragon feats that allow it to fly better, but I like to think that what I published is deeply connected to a race.


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Or the progeny feats that let a fosterling become an even greater Cthulian horror then they already are.

.... I am not familiar with this race. Link?

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Or the progeny feats that let a fosterling become an even greater Cthulian horror then they already are.
Orthos wrote:
.... I am not familiar with this race. Link?

Book of Heroic Races Compendium. All the examples I used in that last post are from that book.


I think I'm going to have to break down and get that. I have a couple of the contents in their original releases but not that one.


Well I would love more support for Lizardfolk with feats and traits that accommodate the environments they live in, Large lizardfolk like the blackscale and small lizardfolk like the poisondusk. More support for gnolls would be great.

But above all else for me would be somesort of draconic race(aside from the half-faerie dragon) or a feat chain that turn your character into a half-dragon. Pathfinder has very few dragon options which is unsettling to me, dragons are basically the living essence of magic (IMO).


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Teiidae wrote:

Well I would love more support for Lizardfolk with feats and traits that accommodate the environments they live in, Large lizardfolk like the blackscale and small lizardfolk like the poisondusk. More support for gnolls would be great.

But above all else for me would be somesort of draconic race(aside from the half-faerie dragon) or a feat chain that turn your character into a half-dragon. Pathfinder has very few dragon options which is unsettling to me, dragons are basically the living essence of magic (IMO).

Doesn't the Dragon Disciple prestige class turn you into a half-dragon though?

But yeah, a draconic race would be cool. One that incorporates eastern dragon motifs too.

And yes gnolls too!


Not anymore, Barong. It was one of the greatest elements of disappointment in the change of the class (despite liking most of the rest of what they did with it).

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Barong wrote:
Doesn't the Dragon Disciple prestige class turn you into a half-dragon though?

Tangentially, 'Dragon Disciple' variants that turned one into a half-fiend, half-celestial, half-fey, half-genie or half-undead for Sorcerers of the Abyssal, Infernal, Celestial, Fey, Elemental and Undead Bloodlines would make sense. (Something modular, so that it could be a single PrC (or Sorcerer Archetype!) with many options, and not a half-dozen separate PrCs/Archetypes, would be ideal, and able to also be adaptable for Rakshasa, Protean, Djinni, Efreeti, Shaitan, Marid, etc. Bloodlines.)

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But yeah, a draconic race would be cool. One that incorporates eastern dragon motifs too.

It's fuzzy, but I vaguely recall Japanese tales of great warriors marrying women of unnatural grace and beauty who were the daughters of dragons, making eastern dragons perhaps far better suited, from a myth and folklore standpoint, to have humanoid 'half-dragons' than western style dragons.

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And yes gnolls too!

Triple yes!

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We are getting ready to release the Book of Heroic Races: Advanced Favored Class Options. Check out all the classes that we are giving favored class options over at JonBrazer.com.

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In a wild ride of races, we announce the final list of races getting favored class options next week, as well as getting racial development next year. Check it out.

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Richard Moore wrote:

Noted on the blackscale/greenscale request.

As for a dragonborn analogue, what constitutes dragonborn to you mechanically? Is it just the breath weapon that you guys like?

That along with being connected to a type of dragon is what does it for me on a mechanical level. Flavour wise, having a warlike race connected with dragons brings in a lot of possibilities.

If I were to do a Dragonborn analogue for Pathfinder it would probably be something like:
Type: Humanoid (Reptilian)
Ability Scores: Standard (0): +2 Strength, +2 Charisma, -2 Wisdom
Size: Medium (0)
Speed: Normal (0)
Senses: Darkvision (2)
Energy Resistance (1)
Greed (1)
Skill Bonus (2): +2 intimidate
Breath Weapon + Powerful Breath + Extra Use (3): 2 times a day, reflex save for half damage
Lesser Spell Resistance (2)
Languages: Standard (0): Common and Draconic.

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Book of Heroic Races: Advanced Catfolk is now available for Pathfinder at DriveThruRPG/RPGNow, d20PFSRD, and of course Paizo.com.


As for the Blackscale lizardfolk, why not make a feat chain transforms normal lizardfolk into blackscales, maybe increase NA abit, little bonus to strength, become large.

Also one can never have enough gnoll material. Also more love for the planetouched folk please.


Exactly how many times am I allowed to vote for changelings? I've house ruled a few things, but I just can't get enough of those heterchromatic little broads...

So if you need any help with the changelings, feel free to contact me

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SwnyNerdgasm wrote:

Exactly how many times am I allowed to vote for changelings? I've house ruled a few things, but I just can't get enough of those heterchromatic little broads...

So if you need any help with the changelings, feel free to contact me

Barring anything going wrong, changelings come out next month. And in my opinion, the author did a really great job with them.

Our signature changeling is also our signature warpriest and signature left handed woman.

If you sign up for the subscription (available at Paizo, DriveThruRPG/RPGNow, d20PFSRD), you get the PDFs when they are finished instead of waiting for their release date.


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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Alrighty. All good thoughts. Question: what is it about the Vishkanyas that you like (if you are one of the people asking for them)? Most of the other races I get. But Vishkanyas elude me. What about them makes them a race you love? Is it the "they make natural ninjas" aspect that you like or what?

I personally am a fan of the real world mythology behind them. I personally would love to see something for them to make them easier to disguise as humans, and something to make their poisons more threatening as assassins.

Visha Kanya, poison women


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I would love to see more support for races that are in no way related to elves, dwarves, gnomes, halflings, orcs, etc. If it even slightly smacks of Tolkien or European mythology, I'm sick of it.


Lizard Man

Not the beefed up 2 HD kind... but a striped down PC level 1, ready to go, PC class that levels up on classes, like all the other player race can without penalties for xp or level. .

Other than Hold breath, and a little damage from a tail attack.. say 1d4, i would love for Lizard men, to come back into the for front of Adventure culture, with a fleshed out history, culture, and tools and lifestyles guide to life as a lizard mean/woman.

What is there latest fashion for cloths, feathers, bones, or skins ??

Who do they normal trade with, and why ?? ... elves/dwarfs/kobolds ??

What religion motivates them, for what goals, do they still have a heavy Druid influence in there culture ?? (ok like spelljammers :)

What is there relation to crocodiles/alligators, are they a heard animal for food/skins, pets, guard dogs of the swamps, etc ??

What are the different clans/tribes/species like ?? ... is there a difference between fresh water and salt water lizardmen ? Scale colors ? Do some take after crocodiles other alligators other caiman ?? What are the difference in ability score for the different types ??

What are there city's like ? Were is there major capital ? Do they make a pilgrimage to the capital city or is it a trade city used just once every decade or so ? What are 6-8 other sample city's like for those who live in swamps, marshes, pet bogs, forested rives, everglades, rice patties fields, etc.

They never did come out with a 2nd ed " Complicate Book of Lizardmen " ... like they did with the elves/gnomes/dwarf.... And i really like those books to.

They were the first NPC monster race that i remember encountering, when i started playing, that i always thought there should have been more.... but was always left feeling empty, because they were never flesh out ;?

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Oliver McShade wrote:
Lizard Man

Thanks to the Rogue's Gallery, and the wonkiness of reincarnation magic, a Lizard Man (and Centaur) were the first non 'demihuman' NPCs written up as potential PCs!


If I had to say?

Vanara, HUMAN,

Fighter, rogue.

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TheBlackPlague wrote:
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND UNHOLY PLEASE PLEASE psychopomp descendants.

I really don't know how I missed this, but the Book of Heroic Races Compendium features the reapers, a half-psychopomp race. I think you will like it.

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Earlier today, I finished adding all the favored class options from this supplement to their respective races on d20PFSRD. So now you can see all the favored class options for:

Androids,
Catfolk,
Changelings,
Elans,
Gillman,
Lizardfolk,
Merfolk,
Samsaran,
Skinwalker,
Tengu,
Wyrwood, and
Wyvaran

You can download this as its own PDF here or as part of the Book of Heroic Races: Advanced Compendium—Work in Progress subscription.


HUZZAH!!!


Mr. McCoy, on the Elan's Marksman favored class option "Marksman: Add a +1/4 circumstance bonus to DCs to resist marksman powers." Does the bonus apply only to powers that come directly from the Marksman's power list, or can it apply to powers obtained from Expanded Knowledge as well.

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RCM wrote:
Mr. McCoy, on the Elan's Marksman favored class option "Marksman: Add a +1/4 circumstance bonus to DCs to resist marksman powers." Does the bonus apply only to powers that come directly from the Marksman's power list, or can it apply to powers obtained from Expanded Knowledge as well.

My first instinct would be no since it comes from a feat and not a class ability, but let me ask a few others that know Psionics better than me their opinions.

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