Boar Style + Slashing Grace


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Would Boar Style allow you to take Slashing Grace, and thus apply your DEX bonus to Unarmed Strikes (only when you've got the style active, though)? Or are Unarmed Strikes not applicable this way because Boar Style isn't always on?

Boar Style:

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, Intimidate 3 ranks.

Benefit: You can deal bludgeoning damage or slashing damage with your unarmed strikes—changing damage type is a free action. While using this style, once per round when you hit a single foe with two or more unarmed strikes, you can tear flesh. When you do, you deal 2d6 bleed damage with the attack.

Slashing Grace

Advanced Class Guide wrote:

You can stab your enemies with your sword or another slashing weapon.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus with chosen weapon.

Benefit: Choose one kind of one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler’s or a duelist’s precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon’s damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size.


Unarmed attacks aren't one handed. They are light.


graystone wrote:
Unarmed attacks aren't one handed. They are light.

... I was so concerned over the slashing quality I completely skimmed over that part...


graystone wrote:
Unarmed attacks aren't one handed. They are light.

That "one handed" requirement is so stupid. They should either allow one handed AND light weapons, or remove weapon finesse from the requirements, since almost nobody will be able to apply both feats to their weapon. If it requires weapon finesse, then you should be able to get the benefit of weapon finesse and slashing grace at the same time.


I still think it's stupid I can apply dex to damage with my longsword and not dex to hit, unless I'm a swashbuckler


But don't worry, you can still have an Unarmed Strike Dex based whosamawhatsit with Snake Style (Piercing).


Rynjin wrote:
But don't worry, you can still have an Unarmed Strike Dex based whosamawhatsit with Snake Style (Piercing).

How are you getting dex to damage on piercing unarmed strike?


ironexe wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
But don't worry, you can still have an Unarmed Strike Dex based whosamawhatsit with Snake Style (Piercing).
How are you getting dex to damage on piercing unarmed strike?

Swashbuckler stuff. This is presuming you're going with the same idea of dipping Monk from Swash.

Two levels of MoMS and you can have Dragon/Snake going, and then focus on getting Precise Strike and whatnot online.


Rynjin wrote:
ironexe wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
But don't worry, you can still have an Unarmed Strike Dex based whosamawhatsit with Snake Style (Piercing).
How are you getting dex to damage on piercing unarmed strike?

Swashbuckler stuff. This is presuming you're going with the same idea of dipping Monk from Swash.

Two levels of MoMS and you can have Dragon/Snake going, and then focus on getting Precise Strike and whatnot online.

I don't see how Swashbuckler will get you dex to damage with unarmed strikes. Slashing Grace doesn't work on piercing weapons. You would have to make your unarmed strikes do slashing damage, but even then it wouldn't work, because Unarmed Strike is considered 'light'.


ironexe wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
ironexe wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
But don't worry, you can still have an Unarmed Strike Dex based whosamawhatsit with Snake Style (Piercing).
How are you getting dex to damage on piercing unarmed strike?

Swashbuckler stuff. This is presuming you're going with the same idea of dipping Monk from Swash.

Two levels of MoMS and you can have Dragon/Snake going, and then focus on getting Precise Strike and whatnot online.

I don't see how Swashbuckler will get you dex to damage with unarmed strikes. Slashing Grace doesn't work on piercing weapons. You would have to make your unarmed strikes do slashing damage, but even then it wouldn't work, because Unarmed Strike is considered 'light'.

Because they, by default, get Precise Strike with one handed or Light Piercing weapons. Which a Snake Style augmented Unarmed Strike is.

You don't really need Dex to damage at that point, but an Agile AoMF will do you up nice if you like.


sorry to necro a thread, but is there a difference between "When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed," and using a 1 handed weapon. It seems to me that the first refers to how many hands are touching the weapon when you wield (hold) it and the second refers to the size of the weapon. I suspect this was put in the description to prevent using a "one handed" weapon with 2 hands and applying 1.5 times dex to damage(see below). Since your not actually wielding an unarmed strike, I suspect the original poster is still can't apply dex to damage to unarmed strike, but I see no reason why someone couldn't use a light slashing weapon (hand axe, kukri etc) with slashing grace...

"Wielding a Weapon Two-Handed

When you deal damage with a weapon that you are wielding two-handed, you add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus (Strength penalties are not multiplied). You don't get this higher Strength bonus, however, when using a light weapons with two hands."


JustABill: You skipped over the important part. "Choose one kind of one-handed slashing weapon". That was changed to "Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon". It was never about the "When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed" part.


I'm just going to leave this here.

Oh, and this.


I just don't understand, and never have, why Paizo is so adamant about never, under basically any circumstances, allowing dex to damage with flurry of blows. Why does every Monk basically have to be the damn Hulk?


Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
I just don't understand, and never have, why Paizo is so adamant about never, under basically any circumstances, allowing dex to damage with flurry of blows. Why does every Monk basically have to be the damn Hulk?

A lot of times, Dexterity-based options are a trap, since they require more investment than being Strength, are usually less effective than Strength builds, and the differences are nominal, or require specific kinds of investment to make truly shine.

Monks would be of those "specific kinds of investment," since they cannot use armor or shields of any kind, meaning they have to utilize Dexterity to the fullest.

That being said, the original answer to the OP becomes "No," primarily because Boar Style alters the base damage to be Slashing, and is not normally Slashing, meaning he cannot use Slashing Grace on something that's originally Bludgeoning. Claws, on the other hand...


Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
I just don't understand, and never have, why Paizo is so adamant about never, under basically any circumstances, allowing dex to damage with flurry of blows. Why does every Monk basically have to be the damn Hulk?

Agile weapons are a thing.


Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
I just don't understand, and never have, why Paizo is so adamant about never, under basically any circumstances, allowing dex to damage with flurry of blows. Why does every Monk basically have to be the damn Hulk?

Our heavily houseruled Monk can - by default, from level 1 - use Wisdom on attack rolls with unarmed strikes instead of Str and use Dex on damage rolls with unarmed strikes in place of Str. Str is still superior in many cases, but it opens up other builds.

We had a player that wanted to play a "Wise Old Master"-type Monk and we were collectively annoyed with how Monk locks you into karate, so we heavily overhauled the class to try and put it on the same level as the paladin.

Hasn't been a problem. It *looks* insane on paper, but in practice it just ends up being like, "Oh hey, I can keep up with a pally now, neat."

Grand Lodge

I can't seem to find where this question has a definite answer...

Can you apply Slashing Grace to Unarmed Attack if you have Boar Style and have it active???

Yes or No ..... Or is this simply being left to DM interpretation???


I would say yes, because for you unarmed strikes are slashing weapons sometimes.

Others would say no, because unarmed strike are listed as bludgeoning weapons and thus don't qualify for the feat.

The naysayers probably have the stronger position here.

Edit: If the goal is dex to damage on a monk, a 3 level dip in Unchained Rogue will get you there, along with a couple dice of SA and free weapon finesse. A 4th level gets debilitating injury and a second rogue talent.


Two threadomancies? How... lucrative. :)

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Magnathyr wrote:
I can't seem to find where this question has a definite answer...

It was answered in the second post of this thread.


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Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
I just don't understand, and never have, why Paizo is so adamant about never, under basically any circumstances, allowing dex to damage with flurry of blows. Why does every Monk basically have to be the damn Hulk?

A lot of times, Dexterity-based options are a trap, since they require more investment than being Strength, are usually less effective than Strength builds, and the differences are nominal, or require specific kinds of investment to make truly shine.

Yes because we all know paizo would never publish a sub-par option or group of options behind the wall of flavor.


Nefreet wrote:
Magnathyr wrote:
I can't seem to find where this question has a definite answer...
It was answered in the second post of this thread.

However that argument is no longer valid since the new version of Slashing Grace allows light weapons.

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Ah. Didn't realize the quote was from the first printing.


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Nefreet wrote:
Ah. Didn't realize the quote was from the first printing.

I figured. As I've seen you write many times, this sort of confusion is one of the many problems that can be caused by the resurrection of old threads.


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Gisher wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
Ah. Didn't realize the quote was from the first printing.
I figured. As I've seen you write many times, this sort of confusion is one of the many problems that can be caused by the resurrection of old threads.

It's why necromancy is considered evil! ;)

Sczarni

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I do really wish Paizo had some sort of Reddit disclaimer about archived posts.

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Nefreet wrote:
I do really wish Paizo had some sort of Reddit disclaimer about archived posts.

They even fuss at us if we point out a thread necro. So not only are they fine with necro, they feel we shouldn’t call attention to the necro or react negatively to a necro.


James Risner wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
I do really wish Paizo had some sort of Reddit disclaimer about archived posts.
They even fuss at us if we point out a thread necro. So not only are they fine with necro, they feel we shouldn’t call attention to the necro or react negatively to a necro.

on one hand it makes sense to keep down the number of threads by using relevant threads, so I understand the idea. It'd be nice it some kind of indicator showed when a predetermined amount of time passes between posts much like the reverse of what happens with recent FAQ's on the FAQ page. That would actually encourage the reuse of threads as it'd be easy to note time jumps.

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