movieholic1977 |
To all Heroes,
This one may be an odd request but i hope you enjoy making this or providing feedback...
The DM's rules
< Any Class from Any Pathfinder Book, including 3rd Party stuff > up to level 5
then
< Add any Template(s) from Monster Manual 1 up to a Level Adjustment of 5 >, you could also reference Savage Species for More Templates since the Monster Manual 1 is a bit slow and lacking in explaining LA
This should make a character Level 10. Or ECL 10.
There are 3 people total including myself. The reborn Dragon with like a 54 strength, a monk and us or me.
Starting Gold is 49,000 which is typical for 10th level characters
Point Buy is rolled already, my stats are: 18, 17, 16, 15, 12, 12
Any thoughts on what you would consider a low level fun build?
I tried Inquisitor 4/Cleric 1 Domains War(Tactics) with Share the Initiative to share a +23 initiative
Kind of a difficult start for a new player like who has yet to play a Pathfinder Game, but you take what you can get cause the closest store to me is 1 hour away and who wants to drive that far...
Again any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks in advance...Michael
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ForgottenRider |
I see you are using other 3.0/3.5 stuff so let me point out the saint template in the Book of Exalted Deeds. You might have luck finding another group here.
Umbranus |
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Orc barbarian 5 with the mighty template.
Take power attack, firegod's blessing feat and the mystical healer feat combined with the celestial totem, lesser for nice self heals every round you deal fire damage to an enemy.
Give him a flaming weapon and you are good to go.
The result is a straight in the face build with a lot of HP, some DR and good passive self heal.
[spoiler=math for self heal]
Fire god's blessing: 1 point
Mystical healer: 1d6 points
celestial totem, lesser: 10 points
= 1d6+11 self heal every turn you deal fire damage.]
Perhaps not the mightiest pc you can build with those rules but a simple one.
Umbranus |
For another approach be a human with racial heritage cloud giant. Take the jotunblood template. You become large, geta +6 natural armor bonus, immunity to sonic damage, a 10d6 sonic breath attack once every 1d4 turns and some other nice abilities like rock catching and improved rock throwing.
Or for a more tanky version take stone giant instead for DR10/adamantine and a stone call attack.
Class is up to you. Just get fancy.
Stone giants can take a monster feat that buffs sorcerers. But with only 5 levels your casting would not be that great.
Umbranus |
And a fun one:
The foo Chimpanzee (or ape) paladin 2 ninja 3
You can turn invisible at will, get a lot of stat bonuses, natural armor that stacks with the primate's nat. armor, you deal bonus damage to evil guys, summon other foo creatures, ethereal jump and plane shift.
And you get 11 hitdice all in all.
Works with other animals as well but I thought a primate would be good for using tools.
avr |
Ghost is +5 LA ... and can be any alignment. Lawful Good Paladin, say. Possess one of the enemy, preferably one with multiple attacks, and smite your way to victory. Or possess your reborn dragon friend if they're willing for incredible numbers on that smite.
The writeup in Savage Species makes it clear you can get both the malevolence (possession) power and telekinesis.
movieholic1977 |
To the Heroes of this World,
Ok i read and looked up your responses and came up with this...
Let me know how broken this is and where things can be improved
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Once upon a time there was a
Human Fighter Level 1 Weapon Focus ( Unarmed Strike )
along with Improved Unarmed Strike
Human Fighter Level 2 Bravery + 1
Racial Heritage ( Undead )
seemed like a good idea at the time and undead have good bonuses?
Then one day, you find a box in the woods, maybe it found us? Maybe becoming Undead affected our thinking and we became more stupid?
Lets open it...its a Phylactery of the Failed...you clearly do not make your save and become a Lich...it also tells you Congratulations you just bypassed the 120,000 gold requirement used to make me
A Lich is a Pathfinder Template that is CR + 2, so i am guessing your level 4. In 3.5 a Lich is a + 4 Level Adjustment.
But your day just got worse, maybe better?, because we add the Demilich template from DnD fulfilling the requirements to this crazy game since its only a + 6 Level Adjustment and since Lichs are in Monster Manual 1 so too are Demilichs even though they are not, they must be hidden
But your day is not over yet, for in power we grow and we add the Mythic Lich Template as our 3rd Template i think and we make sure no one can kill that phylactery anymore
So quick recap or for those browsing down....
Human and Undead Fighter 2 Mythic, Demi, Lich
49,000 Gold to spend on what i wonder?
I think, more so i pray, that i built this correctly or at least i got the logic part down and then its time to construct this on paper
So is the above correct, is this possible?
Is there something better?
LOL, maybe my attack should be with my phylactery, like swing it like a club, i mean it is a Minor Artifact now
Thoughts? Deep Concerns? Suggestions?
-Michael
movieholic1977 |
Lets try to clear up some confusion...
We need up to 5 levels from Any Pathfinder Character
So lets say Human Fighter 1 cause it gets bonus feats, which in this case would be 2 feats total one would be for combat feats and another would be for anything
So we have a level 1 Pathfinder Human Fighter called Dummy for this post
Well Dummy here finds a Phylactery of the Failed in the woods for example
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Reference:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/artifacts/minor-artifacts/phylactery-of -the-failed
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By opening the Phylactery you have to make a DC 30 Will saving throw or be affected by a disease-like curse known as a parasitic soul
Dummy still being a Level 1 Pathfinder Fighter is not gonna make this and intentionally fails or even tries and fails, by failing you die and...
After 1 day, Dummy becomes a Lich
So now we have a Human Lich Fighter 1
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Reference:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/lich
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The Cr here is + 2
This i believe means that you gain 2 levels due to your unfortunate transformation and become ....
Human Lich Fighter 3 due to the adding of the new template
Now we reference, 3.5 DnD Rules where we are tasked with adding a Level Adjustment of + 5 or more or less so long as the ECL ( or effective character level ) does not exceed 10
Our Human Lich Fighter 3 adds the Demilich Template
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Again for Reference:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/demilich.htm
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This requires a creature to first be a Lich and is a + 6 Challenge Rating or + 6 Level Adjustment
We check some basic math again
Human Lich Fighter 3 + 6 Levels of Demilich Template
< is less than 10 >
So we meet this crazy standard since we know have a...
Human Demilich Fighter 9
or a 1st level human fighter with 2 templates added that raise its level to level 9
We still 1 level to spare now
If we take another level in Fighter
i think we become Fighter 10 and gain the new BAB, Fort, Reflex, Will, and special abilities of the previous level except for Level 1
If we take a level in Mythic we gain whatever Mythic Level 2 entails
Either way its a tricky call
We have 2 Systems at play here ( 3.5 rules of DnD ) and ( Pathfinder )
We have a 1st level Character with 2 templates adding to them
We have the 1st level character after the templates are added gaining a new level and trying to figure out what they are at this point
We finally have a DM who truly wants to run a homebrew high powered campaign with crazy broken characters from 2 different sources and worser still is leaving DM calls and interpretations up to the player
Given this, i feel i described the above correctly, but i need someone to double check to make sure that i followed all the errata involved in this crazy combination or show me where my logic or math is off
I truly hope this helps explain the complexity of the complex situation
Let me know your thoughts and feedback and thank you in advance
-Michael
My2Copper |
Now that I found the phylactery of the failed:
If the cursed creature is killed by the parasitic soul, her body is animated 1 day later as a lich with the same memories and abilities of the magic-user who created the phylactery, essentially allowing that spellcaster to finally achieve lichdom.
I would read that as the body of the one who opens the artifact is taken over by the mage who build the thing. So you would not be a fighter any more but a level x (x>2) wizard. So you would need to be able to be level 11 all in all.
The phylactery has to be built by a wizard with craft wondrous item, which needs CL 3 to learn. That's why the wizard has to be at least level 3.
Blackstorm |
Well Dummy here finds a Phylactery of the Failed in the woods for example
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Reference:http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/artifacts/minor-artifacts/phylactery-of -the-failed
=========================================================By opening the Phylactery you have to make a DC 30 Will saving throw or be affected by a disease-like curse known as a parasitic soul
Dummy still being a Level 1 Pathfinder Fighter is not gonna make this and intentionally fails or even tries and fails, by failing you die and...
After 1 day, Dummy becomes a Lich
So now we have a Human Lich Fighter 1
No. As My2Copper pointed out, after 1 day, we have the creature that tried to become a lich, erasing Dummy personality and memories. He become at all the effect a spellcaster with a CL 18 (the phylactery has the CL of the creator at the time it was created), so, unless some optimization, it will be something liche a 18th level spellcaster, wich is a bit too much for the rules given.
The Cr here is + 2
This i believe means that you gain 2 levels due to your unfortunate transformation and become ....
Human Lich Fighter 3 due to the adding of the new template
No, this means just that the challenge rating increase by 2, nothing else.
Now we reference, 3.5 DnD Rules where we are tasked with adding a Level Adjustment of + 5 or more or less so long as the ECL ( or effective character level ) does not exceed 10
Our Human Lich Fighter 3 adds the Demilich Template
========================================================
Again for Reference:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/demilich.htm
========================================================
This requires a creature to first be a Lich and is a + 6 Challenge Rating or + 6 Level Adjustment
We check some basic math again
Human Lich Fighter 3 + 6 Levels of Demilich Template
< is less than 10 >...
I don't see how. A human lich fighter demilich will be (aside that the 3.x demilich is not applicable to PCs) 3 (from fighter)+ 2(from lich) + 6 (demilich)= 11.
And this is really base. To be correct you must account that you don't end with a fighter 3, but with something like a sorcerer 18 or wizard 18, +2 for lichdom, +6 for demilich, it goes up to 26.
So we meet this crazy standard since we know have a...
Human Demilich Fighter 9
or a 1st level human fighter with 2 templates added that raise its level to level 9
We still 1 level to spare now
If we take another level in Fighter
i think we become Fighter 10 and gain the new BAB, Fort, Reflex, Will, and special abilities of the previous level except for Level 1
What?
movieholic1977 |
My2Copper has the best answer, in my humble opinion, so far...
Lets say a 22nd Human Level Wizard builds a Phylactery of the Failed.
Then they cast, Wish, and say they want to start over.
A level 1 Fighter named Dummy finds the book and after failing the check or save, and after 1 day is basically reborn as a...
22nd Level Wizard plus the Lich Template
Now they get up to a Level Adjustment 5 along with 62,000 gold for being Level 10...or is this odd case...again
because of the word, " If the cursed creature is killed by the parasitic soul, her body is animated 1 day later as a lich with the same memories and abilities of the magic-user who created the phylactery, essentially allowing that spellcaster to finally achieve lichdom. "
Using Monster Manual 1 whats the best Template?
Would you say, " Celestial Lich Wizard 22 " or CLW for the extended cleric pun?
all this because of 1 item...
now i am got to make a 22nd Level Wizard, that's gonna take some time...
thoughts?
movieholic1977 |
to Umbranus, possibly others
There are no limits
We can do anything, specify anything, create anything
Heck we can have an Intelligent Item of our choosing
As long as i stay within the Gold Limit of a 10th Level Character which is 62,000 from Pathfinder Rules, create up to a 5th level pathfinder Character, with a 5 LA or any combination, we are good to go
anything and i mean anything is allowed
break away
have fun or have fun making crazy suggestions
this one is mine, but its not final, think of this as a what if you had a bit of unlimited power but only til say level 5 any items any books any feats any whatever
yeah, its that kinda game so its gonna be fun when i give the others PC's a 1 lb bag of Astral Diamonds and say here, buy something ")
other suggestions?
Blackstorm |
My2Copper has the best answer, in my humble opinion, so far...
Lets say a 22nd Human Level Wizard builds a Phylactery of the Failed.
Then they cast, Wish, and say they want to start over.
A level 1 Fighter named Dummy finds the book and after failing the check or save, and after 1 day is basically reborn as a...
22nd Level Wizard plus the Lich Template
Now they get up to a Level Adjustment 5 along with 62,000 gold for being Level 10...or is this odd case...again
because of the word, " If the cursed creature is killed by the parasitic soul, her body is animated 1 day later as a lich with the same memories and abilities of the magic-user who created the phylactery, essentially allowing that spellcaster to finally achieve lichdom. "
Using Monster Manual 1 whats the best Template?
Would you say, " Celestial Lich Wizard 22 " or CLW for the extended cleric pun?
all this because of 1 item...
now i am got to make a 22nd Level Wizard, that's gonna take some time...
thoughts?
The phylactery will costo 120k itself. Plus this is a minor artifact, that it's higher for sure in value. So you don't have the money to do that. Adding on that, the item is not something you normally create. It's an artifact. So, you need your dm approval to use that in your bg just to achieve more power. Again, if you use it with the bg cheesy thing, you'll end up with an ecl far greater than 10.
movieholic1977 |
To Blackstorm,
The Phylactery states that you take on the original owner who made it.
Logic dictates that by creating a Buh-roken 22nd Level Wizard...
Then creating a 1st Level Fighter according to the crazy DM's instructions that the 1st level becomes the 22nd Level because i created a 1 st level character according to her rules, then i used a clearly cheap exploit to have a 22nd level character, violated the ECL of 10, but ironically staying within the constraints of the original
Simply put, it is cheating, it should not be allowed, but this is DM more concerned with throwing crazy stuff at us, then being concerned with our broken our characters are gonna be
I don't agree personally with her play style but i submit this is what the DM wants, so this is what i am gonna bring...unless you see a build better than a 22nd level wizard or one that is easier to play
i still have not played my first pathfinder game, but playing with a maxed out wizard should be relatively easy since i will make ummm what is the word here, attacks that are already figured...like a maximized disintegrate as long as its not over CL 10 or 11
or maximized fireball, or maximized magic missile and so on
heck i dont want to play at 10th level because your missing half the campaign already but you have to trust your DM even when it seems hopeless
so again i apologize for asking you to break the game but this is what was asked of us so in turn i give back
i hope to find your favor or gain my sanity back,
-Michael