What??? He didn't use superluminal velocity to go back in time?
Like Superman?
Just regular @$$ velocity with some writer hand waving?
How fast, exactly, is TV show Flash? Can he break the 4 minute mile, at least?
Someone that cares more can double-check, but in the episode where he put on the tachyon device, I think they clocked his speed at Mach 4...and that was WAY faster than he'd ever gone before.
So yeah, faster than Usain Bolt, but in terms of super speed, pretty much dig past the bottom of the barrel, and keep digging until you're a few feed deep into the ground.
In terms of ground speed he's fairly fast but his reflexes are beyond terrible. He gets hit by arrows, cold guns, heat guns, and regular people moving at regular people speed all the time.
So does comic Flash. Otherwise the Rogues wouldn't have lasted more then an issue each.
Flash has 'Plot speed'... a vague undefined speed that works for whatever he needs to do... and doesn't for whatever creates drama.
I wish they were a little more specific, but breaking the time barrier is pretty stinkin' fast no matter how you look at it. He certainly shouldn't be able to go FASTER then that with the tachyon device... without y'know... going back in time again.
I suspect that the zig zag pattern he runs through the city slows him down some... something about taking those corners too fast must be an issue... Otherwise, I REALLY hate the conversations he has with team Flash while running through the city... before the first sentence is done... he should be where he's going!
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Breaking the time barrier clearly involves some other aspect beyond going really fast. Presumably some version of "tapping the speed force" or something like that. Plus, I have it on good authority that with the proper gear time travel can be attained at just 88 miles per hour, which is shy of the top speed on my Prius, much less the Flash.
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Breaking the time barrier clearly involves some other aspect beyond going really fast. Presumably some version of "tapping the speed force" or something like that. Plus, I have it on good authority that with the proper gear time travel can be attained at just 88 miles per hour, which is shy of the top speed on my Prius, much less the Flash.
Sometimes, you can even time travel when the brakes are still engaged.
Yeah if you can break the time barrier only going 88 miles an hour, I don't see how going above Mach 4 is much faster for passing through Time.
Wow. I just...wow.
Also SCIENCE!
And screaming.
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I didn't hate the episode, but in the moment when Barry,
I think thing was tumbler, is once again, he gets caught off guard
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Well, that was a rather crappy episode…..
What the f*%$, people! Wally finally gains the confidence that Zoom can be defeated, and every single one of you f$#$tards tries like hell to destroy that confidence. Seriously? Crappy writing.
Cisco did a really good job impersonating his Earth-2 doppleganger. WTF, though?!? Now he can see the damned future? Looks like he’s going to be the new MacGuffin of the show. Or at least his powers will be.
Black Siren – meh. But, hey! Just like every other meta, she can kick the shit out of the Flash.
The subplot with Wally wanting to help annoyed me for some reason. Especially the part where he rescues Flash from Black Siren. I did kind of like where they left it with Barry and Joe, however.
Poor Henry, and right after it looked like you were going to hook up with Tina. Speaking of which, those little interactions between them were really cool.
Gee, let me guess, Zoom’s Master Plan is to try and merge Earth-1 and Earth-2. And somehow, the race between him and Barry (as shown in the preview for next week) will play into this. I also guess somewhere along the way Team Flash will realize what he’s doing and provide Barry with a solution.
It seems to be a popular theory that Caitlin has turned to the dark side, and is just playing Team Flash. If that does turn out to be true, I'm hoping that she:
1) gets the Killer Frost powers somehow, and
2) becomes more of a reoccurring villain than the one-and-done that most of the villains seem to be. Hell, I'd accept her as the season 3 BBEG.
I'm skeptical of them turning Caitlin evil, at least after
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Do they really need someone to do that? They haven't actually used her much for it this season (and they didn't use her for it much during the first season, either).
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Just had a thought....
It could work. If Barry's involvement in stopping Zoom causes a merger of -1 and -2, his brief visit to Earth-S might be just the tie-in they need to explain Supergirl and friends pulled into said merger. It would allow also allow them to keep Harrison Wells around.
@Thomas - It would be pretty stupid of Barry not to expect that once he saw who it was; in other words, typical of him.
@Aberzombie - re: the Master Plan - where's the Spectre when you need him? In Justice League of America #46-47 (1966), Crisis Between Earth-One and Earth-Two created a situation where people were randomly shifting between the two earths, the planets were moving closer together and the Spectre had to grow to bigger-than-planet size and physically hold the two worlds apart.
Damon,
Maybe or maybe he didn't think she had much of a power. Who knows.
Also I think the Spectre from DC is not currently available. Maybe. I mean we saw glimmers of it on Constantine, but nothing concrete.
'sokay, it wouldn't be "my" Spectre anyway. Hasn't been for a while now, although to be fair I never took a look at the New 52 Spectre/Jim Corrigan.
Damon,
New 52 Spectre hasn't done much. So...there's that.
Well, we've seen glimpses in Constantine... and Constantine is in Arrowverse, so... I'd love for that to finally happen.
Although that glimpse was supposed to be 'predict the future'... but we have had a year of Constantine in Limbo, so maybe Corrigan has changed by now :D
I also really hope they use this... or something very similar to bring Supergirl in officially.
As for Caitlyn, I think there is more to it then "he let me go".. That felt weak, but I guess if he was using her as leverage against flash, and flash was dead?? I don't know... maybe??
Still, I don't see her going evil. So far this season we've lost Ronnie, Jay, Henry, and Laurel?? I don't see them taking Caitlyn too.
I'm a little worried for Caitlin. The writers have never really seemed to know what do with her except 1) experience extended bouts of boyfriend melodrama, 2) do plot-enabling "medicine", and 3) expounding exposition. Now that Jesse Quick is in the show, she's smarter than Caitlin in more fields, she has the father-daughter dynamic, and she is almost certain to develop superpowers. Jesse seems deliberately positioned as a Caitlin replacement.
I'm sure that once Zoom is finally dealt with, Jessie and her dad go return to Earth-2. (If only because Earth-2 will need a speedster superhero.)
I definitely agree that Caitlin has been underutilized and lacks a well-defined role in the show. I doubt this will happen, but one thing she could do next season is take on more responsibility by filling the position occupied all this time by Wells/Thawne and later Wells/E2.
Which brings up one of my biggest gripes about STAR Labs in this show: no one else seems to work there. Team Flash appears to have whatever resources and funding they need, and are able to pursue their own agenda exclusively. They aren't given other work to do, report to no one, and so far as we've ever been able to tell, never have to pass anyone else in a hallway. Private entrance?
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Which brings up one of my biggest gripes about STAR Labs in this show: no one else seems to work there. Team Flash appears to have whatever resources and funding they need, and are able to pursue their own agenda exclusively. They aren't given other work to do, report to no one, and so far as we've ever been able to tell, never have to pass anyone else in a hallway. Private entrance?
It was established early on that all the other employees had left or been let go after the particle accelerator explosion. So not passing anyone in the hallways isn't a surprise. The real question is how that handful of people keep the place clean. Let alone running. Most likely, Barry does a few minutes of 'speed maintenance' every night.
Plus, Eobard!Wells left Star Labs to Barry in his video will, didn't he? Barry is the boss. (Don't know how he pays everyone, but whatever.)
It was established early on that all the other employees had left or been let go after the particle accelerator explosion. So not passing anyone in the hallways isn't a surprise.
So who's paying to keep it all running/resupplied?
The real question is how that handful of people keep the place clean. Most likely, Barry does a few minutes of 'speed maintenance' every night.
Add janitor to his resume. Must be fun when the invisible toilets in the detention cells get clogged.
I'm sure that once Zoom is finally dealt with, Jessie and her dad go return to Earth-2. (If only because Earth-2 will need a speedster superhero.)
I'm not sure Earth-2 is around any more. I think Zoom blew it up.
OOOOH!!!! YES!!!
http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2016/05/19/cw-confirms-arrow-supergirl-flash- legends-crossover/
4-way crossover announced for Supergirl,Flash,Arrow,LoT!!!
Sounds like a Crisis to me!
Just needs one Anti-Monitor or maybe this is more Flashpoint crisis.
4-way crossover announced for Supergirl,Flash,Arrow,LoT!!!
Sounds like a Crisis to me!
Scheduling issues meant that the Flash and Supergirl episodes aired out of order compared to each other (though in order within their respective series.) If this is a true four part crossover with story elements in all four series, they really need to get it straight this time.
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I'm not sure Earth-2 is around any more. I think Zoom blew it up.
Until I see/hear exposition in an Arrowverse show to the contrary, I'm blaming it on Rip "Captain The Worst" Hunter.
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Scheduling issues meant that the Flash and Supergirl episodes aired out of order compared to each other (though in order within their respective series.) If this is a true four part crossover with story elements in all four series, they really need to get it straight this time.
These scheduling issues were due to the series airing on different networks. Now that Kara will be joining the rest of the current DC roster over on the CW (and also be filming on the CW lots in Canada instead of in LA), both the filming of crossover events and the scheduling of when they air should be much more manageable.
From what I understood it was to occur on each individual show. So Monday on Supergirl, Tuesday on Flash, etc... so getting the scheduling right would be critical.
Again, since they are on the same network now... that should be quite doable. These shows take a LOT of mid season breaks... it shouldn't be too tough to manipulate the schedule if someone is running behind. :D
I'm sure that once Zoom is finally dealt with, Jessie and her dad go return to Earth-2. (If only because Earth-2 will need a speedster superhero.)
I definitely agree that Caitlin has been underutilized and lacks a well-defined role in the show. I doubt this will happen, but one thing she could do next season is take on more responsibility by filling the position occupied all this time by Wells/Thawne and later Wells/E2.
The thing is, in interviews I've read with Danielle Panabaker, she's seemed a lot more excited about Killer Frost than anything else. I feel like a permanent change to Killer Frost at some point is almost certain. Although if they make the character more true to the comic version, she doesn't have to start out as evil...her power makes her a heat vampire, who needs to steal heat in order to survive. She kills because it's the only way for her to continue living, not because she's inherently evil.
Plus, Eobard!Wells left Star Labs to Barry in his video will, didn't he? Barry is the boss. (Don't know how he pays everyone, but whatever.)
I think it's also assumed that Eobard!Wells left Barry a sizeable fortune. I think the show mentioned that at some point, but they didn't really make much of a deal of it.
In any case! I still think Earth-2 went BOOM.
So maybe that's what sparks our Crisis. Stupid Zoom starts our new Flashpoint. :p
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Tempted to stop watching this and Arrow. The mandated "we MUST kill a character every season" BS is beginning to grate on me.
Especially with the Flash, where we had an episode with Barry finally come to terms with the loss of his mother only to be followed by the death another loved one. Why? What narrative purpose does that serve other than removing any character growth? It's not like Barry needs a reason or motive to stop Zoom. He's a freakin' super hero!
It feels very much like a poor man's imitation of Whedon and Buffy, only done ten years too late to be innovative or shocking.
The only thing keeping me watching? The idea of a four-series crossover in the fall. Has that been done before? Damn, that feels as epic as the Avengers. Mega crossover, woooo!
My name is Barry Montoya...er, Allen. You killed my father. Prepare to...race?!? WTF?!?
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I really want to see John Diggle and Cisco react to Supergirl's power set. Or Cisco and Win geeking out together.
Maybe this has been happening all along and I just missed it, but now that I've noticed it, it's driving me nuts. They do the Star Trek thing where the science character spills out some pseudo-science gobbledygook followed by someone else responding with a poorly constructed analogy to explain it. It just feels like they don't think we're smart enough to get it. I noticed it 3-4 episodes ago, and it's been in every episode since.
I do agree that killing Henry immediately after dedicating an episode to Barry coming to terms with his mother's death is really stupid from a character growth and story-telling standpoint.
True enough. From Zoom's perspective though, I think it made perfect sense. I think in his mind, if he can deconstruct Barry and make Barry like him, then he won't see himself as ultimately responsible for his own horrible actions - they're the fault of his circumstances.
I think Hunter, by masquerading as Jay, has had some lingering part of his humanity sparked by his nearness to Team Flash and his closeness to Snow. As twisted as it is, I think by bringing Flash down he's trying to show Caitlin that he's still worthy of her love.
So as much I wish wish WISH they hadn't offed Henry (his scenes with Barry have always been my favorite), I completely understand it from Zoom's side of things.
Well, that was a rather crappy episode…..
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Am I the only one who chuckled when Henry met Tina, seeing as they were the stars of the original "Flash" 25 years ago?
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True enough. From Zoom's perspective though, I think it made perfect sense. I think in his mind, if he can deconstruct Barry and make Barry like him, then he won't see himself as ultimately responsible for his own horrible actions - they're the fault of his circumstances.
I think Hunter, by masquerading as Jay, has had some lingering part of his humanity sparked by his nearness to Team Flash and his closeness to Snow. As twisted as it is, I think by bringing Flash down he's trying to show Caitlin that he's still worthy of her love.
It does sound somewhat similar to the Joker's motivation in the second recent Batman movie, to 'prove' that the world is just as bad as he is, and will choose the same sort of monstrous deeds (with the ferry bombing dilemma, for instance), and in that way, 'prove' that he's not all messed up and making bad choices and making his own hell.
Ditto the Punisher in the second season of Daredevil, who flat out steals a Joker line and claims that Daredevil is just 'one bad day away from being me.' (Since that's what people like the Joker and Zoom seem to need, is some sort of verification that their own actions are what anybody would do, in the same situation.)
Barry suffering the same sort of trauma, and *not* going dark, would only verify what to Hunter/Zoom would be a cruel truth, that he's the weak one who folded under that pressure, and that a better man wouldn't have.
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Maybe this has been happening all along and I just missed it, but now that I've noticed it, it's driving me nuts. They do the Star Trek thing where the science character spills out some pseudo-science gobbledygook followed by someone else responding with a poorly constructed analogy to explain it. It just feels like they don't think we're smart enough to get it. I noticed it 3-4 episodes ago, and it's been in every episode since.
Some people are actually that stupid and the pseudosience gobbledygook (which is pretty spot on btw) does fly right over their heads.