"Hey guys I just leveled up, what feat should I take?"
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"I can't take a 1 lvl dip into that class. It will not fit my character's story/background".
"Does my character have a story/background?"
"My character is totally ineffective in this combat." ;)
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"My characters name is..."
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The druid is there so the cat will be legal.
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Hmm, I know what I would do in here, but what would my character do?
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"I've never tried that class before, hand me a pregen, please"
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I know that sometimes people at the table can be annoying but tarring all power gamers with the same brush smacks of the Stormwind fallacy.
Just because someone is focused on character optimization doesn't mean that they can't also be a strong role player.
Just because some one can masterfully role play does not mean that they can't build and play an optimized character.
TL;DR - can't we all just get along?
I consider myself both a role player and an optimizer. I also feel that I canned do spotlight share in both of these arenas.
There's a bit of a difference in definitions between just someone who optimises and a power gamer, IMO.
- I'm playing a Halfling Barbarian
- I'm playing a Half-Orc Wizard
- I'm playing a Fighter
- I wouldn't use a spiked chain, they're too silly
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- So, I take the stuffed sphinx, pull out just enough stuffing, and wear it as a costume!
(seriously... it happened in a certain module)
- "Do you have a Swan Boat?? EVERYBODY must have Swan Boat!"
I am a power gamer.
That means I also powergame my roleplaying.
I have pretty much done most of the things listed so far. But usually with the end result of MORE POWER.
That is all.
-j
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Really? We're doing this? Does that mean nobody will be offended if I start a thread called "Stuff you never hear True Roleplayers say"?
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My reaction to 40% of threads at this point is: "Oh so that's what we're going to do today? We're going to fight?"
Another 40% is: "Have you tried talking to your group/DM/player like a mature adult?"
But you know, one out of five ain't bad.
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Please take this to one of the off-topic forums.
Jiggy wrote: Really? We're doing this? Does that mean nobody will be offended if I start a thread called "Stuff you never hear True Roleplayers say"? aren't all "Power Gamers" "True Roleplayers"?
Jiggy wrote: Really? We're doing this? Does that mean nobody will be offended if I start a thread called "Stuff you never hear True Roleplayers say"? Do it. I've got some good ones.
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"Stormwind Fallacy? What book is that in?"
Low Templar in SE Asia wrote: "My character is totally ineffective in this combat." ;) I have heard this from powergamers.
And it pisses them off royally.
(The more skillful or mature powergamers don't say this.)
That said, I do think the Stormwind fallacy is at play, unless you redefine/predefine powergaming to be a singular mindset. Perhaps leave "optimizer" open for the players who can juggle RPing into the mix.
Or maybe make a new term, like "meta-players" or "XBox RPGers" or "RP deficiency syndrome players"...whatever. (My heart's not into finding a usable term...)
Cheers
"Nahh, Master of Trade isn't my thing."
"I chose my deity for its flavor (not for its domains or related traits)."
"We've got a pretty full table, so I'll go without my eidolon today."
"My (non-Cha-based-class) has a positive Charisma modifier."
-Matt
"I am Silbeg Cailean, and I am a rogue!"
The builds really powerful but I can't find a character portrait that fits.
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"I make sure to max out ranks in Profession: Baker. Between sessions my character enjoys the simple things like the smell of fresh baked bread."
Wolfspirit wrote: "I make sure to max out ranks in Profession: Baker. Between sessions my character enjoys the simple things like the smell of fresh baked bread." "I have skill focus Perform (String), and a +2 racial bonus, and the first thing I bought was a Masterwork Harp..."
... wait, I actually did that, never mind... But I can play a heavenly solo!
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nosig wrote:
"I have skill focus Perform (String), and a +2 racial bonus, and the first thing I bought was a Masterwork Harp..."
... wait, I actually did that, never mind... But I can play a heavenly solo!
You forgot the Trait bonus of +1. My character had to do all of that because in the year of the demon, you need to be prepared to challenge a Demon to a Rock-Off (the demon code prevents them from ignoring such a challenge).
(I have a masterwork Mandalin and a masterwork Lute - it's not clear to me which is the closest approximation of an actual acoustic guitar)
grandpoobah wrote: nosig wrote:
"I have skill focus Perform (String), and a +2 racial bonus, and the first thing I bought was a Masterwork Harp..."
... wait, I actually did that, never mind... But I can play a heavenly solo!
You forgot the Trait bonus of +1. My character had to do all of that because in the year of the demon, you need to be prepared to challenge a Demon to a Rock-Off (the demon code prevents them from ignoring such a challenge).
(I have a masterwork Mandalin and a masterwork Lute - it's not clear to me which is the closest approximation of an actual acoustic guitar)
I actually took "Inner Beauty" so he get's a +4 trait bonus once per day... together with the 20 CHA means he can hit DC 30 with a take 10 at first level.
Where do you play? maybe we can get together sometime for a jam session!
(He uses a darkwook shield to improve the acoustics on his harp, kind of like a sounding board ("no in game effect" - but makes the figure look cool!).
"Hey, can't we talk this over without fighting?"
"I chat with the NPC and ask about his day."
"Traits? Are we using those?"
"I give a donation to my character's church."
"I sit back and enjoy the music."
Or, rarest of all: "Hang on, I'm not sure how this rule works...."
grandpoobah wrote:
You forgot the Trait bonus of +1. My character had to do all of that because in the year of the demon, you need to be prepared to challenge a Demon to a Rock-Off (the demon code prevents them from ignoring such a challenge).
(I have a masterwork Mandalin and a masterwork Lute - it's not clear to me which is the closest approximation of an actual acoustic guitar)
So sorry, that's actually devils.
Jiggy wrote: Really? We're doing this? Does that mean nobody will be offended if I start a thread called "Stuff you never hear True Roleplayers say"? Do eet! I love being lampooned! :-)
"Why would I spend my own money on a wand? That's the cleric's job!"
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"Playing like that is a phase you need to grow out of." <-- Heard this said, not by a powergamer.
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(As the GM) *throws up hands after one enemy dies in round 1* "Fine, whatever. Everybody else runs away. You win."
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(Also as the GM) "Not at MY table!"
Along the same lines as Jiggy:
"Why would I spend PP on a wand of cure light wounds, the cleric can just cast it."
We had no idea how to respond to that due to being silenced by sheer selfishness.
"Im sorry, My Girlfriend Called"
Jiggy wrote:
"Playing like that is a phase you need to grow out of." [ooc]<-- Heard this said, not by a powergamer
I have actually heard that said by players who are still power gaming but to a significantly lesser extent. They still make powerful builds but no longer make absurdly overpowered cheese builds.
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Locking. Threads like this honestly don't help make our community a friendly and inviting place for everyone. We welcome all kinds of gamers here.
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