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Constantine & Hulk are CG, being grumpy is not enough to make you CN when you spend your life saving people ...
Lestat is certainly CE, not only does he predate on humans but he has fun doing it.
Tyler Durden is the ultimate anarchist, so CN is ok for him.
other CN model : Jack Sparrow
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Go to TV Tropes.
Search Chaotic Neutral.
Enjoy.
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hmmm, CN can be a tough one to pin down in fictional characters, and a lot of people tend to view the interpretations differently, but I will toss a few out there..
Young Conan : believed in freedom (his own) but was wiling to kill and loot almost anyone, had a personal code of honor..but it was kinda flexible.
The Man with no name : Another kinda CN/CG, but was very willing to kill and have some variable morals at times.
Mad martigan : before the fairy powder crap..a bit wild and unhinged, then he went all CG after that.
Khal Drogo : he was a pretty text book barbarian, and CN would likely fit.
Floki : From the show Vikings is pretty unpredictable, and hard to figure out, so would be another good CN example..heck alot of the characters could be called CN but Floki stands out the most to me.
Female ones are a bit harder to find, since a lot of media try to soften them for general audiences, so they usually end up more CG, but maybe from firefly again, the woman that pretended to marry mal, and steal the ship..she was pretty much out for herself..but not wanting to murder anyone (personally)
I had many players that used CN as a excuse to be crazy and all over the place alignment-wise, but I have usually the alignment was more about freedom and personal choice, kind of a I live my way and you yours vibe.
Not a excuse for schitzo-align players. :)
BTW nice tip on the TV tropes, that's a lot of cool stuff there.
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Yeah, I could be a CN role model.
But what's in it for me?
Lina Inverse from Slayers seems to fit the bill. She doesn't care all that much for mores and morality, quite self-centered but not to the point that she completely disregards the well-being of others (ok, mostly except bandits, who seem to be an acceptable target to her).
The TvTropes article mentions Dionis from Greek myth, and this seems to be a good fit imo. He is about enjoying life and yourself with no care about mores and expectations, and has no particular care about the well-being of anyone else. The guy must be the ultimate frat party dude :) .
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the Dude, the Big Lebowski strikes me as CN.
Snake Plissken from Escape from New York counts I think.
Achilles qualifies for this IMO.
Renegade Shepard from the Mass Effect games is a great role model probably. Very harsh version of the character, but savior of the universe.
Batman can be interpreted as Chaotic Neutral. One of his iterations has got to be this.
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the Dude, the Big Lebowski strikes me as CN.
I always said that that was a party of two Bards and a Barbarian. Donny is what happens when your Bard has 10 charisma.
I don't know if you could consider Walter a Barbarian. He's, like, the only one who cares about the rules. I think he's more like a really misguided Paladin.
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I don't know if you could consider Walter a Barbarian. He's, like, the only one who cares about the rules. I think he's more like a really misguided Paladin.
He's the tragic result of a Paladin/Barbarian Multiclass.
Constantine: kinda hard to see a character as "good" when he regularly lies, cheats, steals, betrays his friends (often to their deaths) and occasionally flat-out murders people who get in his way. At one point in the series, Constantine's evil side was extracted from him and given tangible form as Demon Constantine. It turned out that without the evil, Constantine was crap as a sorceror and not much good at anything else either.
YMMV! Putting alignments on fictional characters is a mug's game. That said, I think you could build a CN character who was *like* Constantine, in that he was a humanist trying to _do_ good, but just too bloody-minded and willing to commit evil to actually _be_ good.
Doug M.
What friends is it Constantine is betraying. In the stuff i have with him he seems to have been careless in his youth but almost never doing stuff for selfish reasons. He also dosent seem to cheat and steal from normal folks.
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Jayne Cobb strikes me as CN. His relationship with Kaylee shows a better side of him that tempers his brutal nature just enough to put him in CN territory.
No mention of Iron Man? Stark seems the very definition of CN at the start of the movie.
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Alan Moore never jumped the shark.
Alan Moore is a CN role model.
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I think that Neal Caffrey from White Collar is a good example. He's a liar, a forger and an art thief. He doesn't like to hurt other people though; he seems mostly motivated by the challenge and excitement of breaking the rules, and enjoying the spoils. But he genuinely enjoys art. Occasionally he does some good deeds and gets some warm fuzzy feelings inside, but it doesn't seem to stick.
Bonus: the show is basically about the clash between Lawful Good (Peter Burke, his FBI handler) and CN (Neal), and they're pretty tied in how adept they are at manipulating each other.
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Marvel's take on Ares, especially during the Dark Reign arc, is a prime example of CN IMO (I use it as a great inspiration for Gorum).
He does what he wants because it sounds like fun. He will fight 100% for Good and Evil alike. He does not tolerate disrespect. He charges into the thick of things without considering whether he is in a strong position, if there is an escape plan or even if he has enough ammunition. He lives in the instant and makes the most of what he can get.
Elric of Melniboné is the poster child for Chaotic Neutral.
He does not care about the well-being (or even life) of innocent people but will not go out of his way to make their life miserable either. What matters is always what is happening to him and his loved ones. He does not act for justice, but for pride or revenge.
Firm agreement on Jayne Cobb. He's totally CN.
Cap. Darling, Constantine is famous for betraying his friends to death. It's one of his defining characteristics! Right at the beginning -- way back in the 1980s Swamp Thing, written by Alan Moore long before he jumped the shark -- in Constantine's first appearance, he shows up with a bunch of friends and colleagues (Frank, Judith, the girlfriend in Chicago, the Lovecraft fan, the nun). Every single one of them ends up dead. Then in very first story of his own series, he binds his junkie friend into being a vessel for Mnemoth the hunger demon. The junkie friend does not survive this. A while later, there's a scene where some bad guy kills someone standing next to Constantine. "Friend of yours?" smirks the villain. "He's dead now, so probably," Constantine replies.
The original, pre-52 Constantine lasted an astonishing 300 issues plus dozens of guest appearances. So there are different versions of the character, and he evolved and changed over time. In the last few years, after he got married, he mellowed noticeably. But, yes, being friends with Constantine was always a very dangerous business.
Doug M.
I havnet read the Chicago story but the vampire King killing thing seem to me like it is a bitter remark and not somthing about betrayal.
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Batman can be interpreted as Chaotic Neutral. One of his iterations has got to be this.Batman is every alignment.
Strangely enough, I've always seen him as more of an LG character, even outside of the 60s, but more of a grim dour LG to serve as a counterpoint to the idealistic Superman LG.
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I'd argue that Space Dandy (from the anime series of the same name) is CN. A few times he's proven to have a relatively decent core, but he doesn't spend a lot of time and energy wanting to improve the world around him (which, IMHO, is much of the difference between the N and the G). He's in it to do what he wants and screw the consequences. But for the most part, he doesn't have a lot of interest in hurting or victimizing others.
Also, as awkward as it is to read Worldwound Gambit (enjoy the story, but the writing style doesn't agree with me), Hendregan is a good example as well. He doesn't want to hurt people, but he is fire and fire burns things.
(Haven't read his later appearances, so if those make it clearer in either direction feel free to correct me with as few spoilers as possible, thanks.)
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Definitely agree with Jack Sparrow from the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Follows whatever code benefits him, lies and cheats anyone to get ahead, but still cares enough to not be cruel or to be entirely selfish.
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Johnny Rotten from his sex pistol days. Punk as a movement can be described as chaotic, some aspects good, some aspects neutral. Maybe even a few evil. But when I think Chaotic Neutral, I go to Johnny Rotten.
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"Stone Cold" Steve Austin also fit the bill, quite nicely.
Capt. James T. Kirk - He's a Chaotic Neutral character; he would never have the same solution to one problem; he always breaks protocol; self centered (except for his crew); and ...
CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW AWESOME HE IS!
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Riddick - CE during the events of Buther Bay and Pitch Black; CN by the end of Chronicles.
Zaraki Kenpachi - He lives to fight. He even holds back in an effort to make any fight last longer. He claims injury and death are nothing but the price one pays for a good fight. Despite his tendency to be brutal, Kenpachi usually stops a fight if his opponent is too injured to fight back, claiming he is not interested in fighting "weaklings who can't fight anymore", and he does not feel obligated to deal a death blow to anyone who cannot fight any longer. However, he will unhesitatingly kill his opponent if they refuse to end their fight.
Greed - "I'm Greed. I'm greedy, so I want money, women, status, fame, and everything else in this world!"
Snake Plissken
Conan the Barbarian
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Lestat is clearly evil. His nearly total lack of empathy is one of the hallmarks of an evil personality. Or to put it in Vampire RPG terms, he's not really running with a high Humanity score.
The Vampire Lestat -- Weary, decadent, utterly self-centered. Aesthete who is occasionally sentimental. Likes to consider himself beyond bourgeois notions like "evil" and "good". Does not seek to be wicked, has no interest in destruction or inflicting pain, but OTOH cares nothing for human life.
Thoughts?
Doug M.
Anne Rice vampires work very poorly with the RPG's Humanity score, because they seem to almost always kill when feeding.
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Lestat is clearly evil. His nearly total lack of empathy is one of the hallmarks of an evil personality. Or to put it in Vampire RPG terms, he's not really running with a high Humanity score.
This is true in the Interview With A Vampire movie, and seems true from Louie's perspective in general (including the book of the same name), but per the rest of the books, Lestat is telepathic and only kills people who've done awful things (which he can tell because, y'know, telepathic, and Louie can't because he isn't...and doesn't trust Lestat's word on this subject)...which makes a much better case for CN.
Some other examples, all IMO:
Jaime Lannister - Self-centered, psychotically ruthless (especially in defense of people he cares for), and not overly inclined to keep his word...but not overtly cruel, and seemingly very capable of caring about both people and principles.
Tucco - From The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly. He could be argued to be Evil, but I don't think we ever see him do anything that overtly tips him over the line.
Puck - And indeed most of the Fairies in A Midsummer Night's Dream. This should not require an explanation.
Roy Batty - The antagonist of Blade Runner. He just so very much wants to live...
Faye Valentine, Cowboy Bebop.
Revy (Rebecca), Black Lagoon - Although she borders on chaotic evil
Richard B Riddick is a great example of CN. He is the epitome of survival of the fittest and only cares about himself and his freedom. Any time he doesn something "good" it seems like pity.
Deadpool!
Also, Imbicatus, I'll see your Chiana and raise you a Furlow. Heck, let's throw in Dominar Rygel XVI.
I'd think that the Ultimate universe version of Wolverine was this at the beginning of his career. He was a mercenary who double crossed the bad guys yet tried to kill a teammate so he could sleep with the dead guys girlfriend.
Yet, at the end of his story he sacrificed his life to stop a bad guy who had already killed millions and wouldn't stop until every human man, woman and child on Earth was dead.
Also what of Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China?