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One idea I found very logical is that if the orc chieftain wants half-orcs because they are smarter, the orcs aren't going to go kidnap human WOMEN. That's worthless, yielding only a very few half-orcs. No, they will be going for a few strong young men.While that would be logical I just don't see it in the way orc culture is often depicted. They are just too sexist.
Though it does spark a interesting idea for a tribe of Amazon Orcs....mmmm....
*mental image of female Orc trying to seduce male Human*
...I, just... I just don't see this working out well. Call me racist...
Based on what I have witnessed in bars, I have no problem seeing this happen if alcohol is involved...
Though it does spark a interesting idea for a tribe of Amazon Orcs....mmmm....*mental image of female Orc trying to seduce male Human*
...I, just... I just don't see this working out well. Call me racist...I can totally see it working. Especially with a glance at the Internet.
That and it would be wonderful to have some more support for half-orc players that wanted their human/orc parentage to be loving and consensual.
I was kinda of going with evil amazon orcs...Stealing Our Men...as well according to myth amazons were not exactly good guys um...I mean gals.
I kinda of see a non-evil tribe of orcs really should have it's genesis be moving away from the sexist, raiding nature...not just flipping the coin.
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My biology is rusty (Todd Stewart could easily explain this, and more, much better), but for the first several weeks (month?) of gestation, all fetal humans are pretty much female until the specific epigenetic switches trigger and tell a male fetus to differentiate itself from a female fetus, although "complications" (not quite the right word choice) occasionally can and do occur. Maybe most of these "female"-appearing non-humanoids just don't have those triggers while gestating... heck, some of them don't even gestate, like the succubi from Abyssal reforging.
Disclaimer: I am not a developmental biologist.
Sort of. At least in human gestation we begin at a gender indeterminate point, and normally in genetic females you see progression of development down a female path, as in the absence of certain genes on the Y chromosome, there are male-specific genes on the X chromosome whose expression is repressed. In genetic males you have genes on the Y chromosome that push development down a male path and block female specific genes on the X chromosome from being expressed.
It's not entirely so much that humans have a female default state. In some respects females are repressed males and males are repressed females.
Hormones in the uterine environment affect genetic males and genetic females differently, based on the genes present and the genes expressed, and for instance there are XY fetuses with a genetic condition called total androgen insensitivity, and they development down a mostly standard female path since many of the male specific genes down get turned on, but they also lack expression of some female specific genes. They end up looking like genetic females, but with some internal anatomy that doesn't develop quite fully.
As I understand it, the chromosomes of the fetus aren't necessarily connected to its sex. It's more like a very strongly tied covariant marker, and not just because of the possibilities of androgen insensitivity. What determines the sexual characteristics of the fetus is the hormone cocktail it gets subjected to in the womb, not something from the fetus. Now, it's not quite true that we start out female and become male if we are, because our sexual apparatus begins from a neutral state and is developed into the sexually-tied expressions.
Sum total: In ALMOST all cases, the genes of the child go hand in hand with the eventual sex.
The truth about other species is of course that it's ludicrous to have the amount of crossbreeds that exist in the game. =)
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*mental image of female Orc trying to seduce male Human*
...I, just... I just don't see this working out well. Call me racist...
I can totally see it working. Especially with a glance at the Internet.
Indeed.
(I don't think Valeros would need kidnapping...)
"Oh, woe. I cannot break free from these bonds."
"Even my mighty thews are no match for these ironwood cords."
"I must stay here, and be the plaything of my many, insatiable green mistresses."
"Oh, woe."
We already have moon succubi stealing our men...if I ever play Moonscar, I'm going to be pretty tempted to play a gunslinger or ranger with a blonde flat-top, a magnificent chin, and black-tinted goggles, then at the beginning bemoan the kidnappings with, "Damn it, why do they always take the hot ones?"
And then charge into combat proclaiming “Gonna rip ’em a new one!”, right? ;)
I'm reminded of one of the Darklords of Ravenloft, a figure known as the Phantom Lover. He was a monster who would seek out a woman who had recently lost her lover, and then come to her in his guise in her bedroom in the middle of the night. Eventually, he would lure her into his world, a dark labyrinth of tunnels underneath a solitary tower, and devour her, body and soul, there.
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I was kinda of going with evil amazon orcs...Stealing Our Men...as well according to myth amazons were not exactly good guys um...I mean gals.
Why does "death by snu-snu" pop to mind with this scenario?
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I was kinda of going with evil amazon orcs...Stealing Our Men...as well according to myth amazons were not exactly good guys um...I mean gals.
I kinda of see a non-evil tribe of orcs really should have it's genesis be moving away from the sexist, raiding nature...not just flipping the coin.
I was referring more to Sindakka's general "can an orc seduce a human" scenario. :)
I actually agree that just flipping gender dynamics wouldn't make the culture non-evil, though I'm now wondering how the Crossed Soul concept in place with the Belkzen tribes might eventually lead towards sexism being eroded or if it's only going to continue enforcing it...hmmm...
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Humans are the most predominant race.
Particularly when discussing the demographics of those who play Role-playing games.
I've stated before that out of all half-creature possibilities in the game, among the most prevalent is half-human, second only to half-dragon which can be applied to any living creature. Near every PC race at least has at least a decent dose of human. Therefore we can deduce one or both of two things. Either:
1) Humans, and by extension dragons, are the horniest creatures in the game.
And/or
2) Humans are the race that gives every other class the vapors.
Perhaps the monsters exist but we just don't get the stories, given a humanocentric bias on bestiary stories. Why does a pseudodragon look like a wyrmling and have a sleep venom sting? What stories do winter wolves tell of werewolves?
A lot of the beautiful female monsters I see when I look in the bestiary are nature-themed like dryads, nereids, pixies, swan maidens, etc. Is this because nature gods have traditionally been female in the past like Artemis and Gaia? Is it the result of ecofeminism? Is it both?
Welllll... according to one greek origin myth, humans were originally all male, and begat the next generation on nymphs, which were semi-divine and immortal nature spirits.
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Given the existence of ifrit, undines, oreads, sylphs, janni, tieflings, aasimar, dhampirs(!), and all the "half" races (in which the half is always understood to be humans), maybe they are right.
But you can have at the very least tiefling and aasimar who have pretty much any humaniod in their bloodline. I think there's an aasimar type that is decended from orcs.
As for the female monsters seeming to be more common. We're getting more sexy males who use being sexy to their advantage.
Fauns, who seem to be happy to sleep around with any willing being
The Fossegrim, pretty much an evil male nymph
Then there's the incubi
Oh and the Ostiarius Kytons, dear lord talk about being able to use that pure sexyness to lure people to the shadow plane to do horrible things to them.
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A lot of the beautiful female monsters I see when I look in the bestiary are nature-themed like dryads, nereids, pixies, swan maidens, etc. Is this because nature gods have traditionally been female in the past like Artemis and Gaia? Is it the result of ecofeminism? Is it both?
Well, we have the semi-good if you don't go tromping about destroying his home, Erlking. He was sexy beyond words.
for one that's not pretty but most def a nature god there's the Maintu, which I suppose if it felt like it could be sexy
Recently rereading the Malleus Mailificarum.
If I understood it correctly then Incubi outnumber Succubi more than 10 to 1 as apparently it's the female of the species that's easier to seduce.
Apparently Hell saw this as a more efficient arrangement.
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Based on what I have witnessed in bars, I have no problem seeing this happen if alcohol is involved...*mental image of female Orc trying to seduce male Human*
...I, just... I just don't see this working out well. Call me racist...
I dunno, if it was the right half-orc, it'd likely work on me sober.
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I dunno, if it was the right half-orc, it'd likely work on me sober.Based on what I have witnessed in bars, I have no problem seeing this happen if alcohol is involved...*mental image of female Orc trying to seduce male Human*
...I, just... I just don't see this working out well. Call me racist...
Even the right pure blooded orc may have a lower cha, but that just means he lacks social skills. With all those physicals buffed....
mmmmm yummy indeed.
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What you end up with, from a story- or character-building perspective, is the ability to let characters determine what kind of orks they'll be. The whole culture is at a crossroads, and one adept ork could find themselves being drafted to fill the closest thing to a central role in ork society.
If they want to be stereotypical orks pillaging the defenseless, they'll have backers. If they want to talk softly and carry a big sword on top of a huge mount, they'll have support. But ork culture in ED isn't defined to the point where they have to be either.
Oh God THIS.
I really really wish this was the direction Pathfinder had taken with their orcs. :(
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But you can have at the very least tiefling and aasimar who have pretty much any humaniod in their bloodline. I think there's an aasimar type that is decended from orcs.
There's an aasimar feat that's all about this, supporting a sort of "chosen one" to lead certain races out of darkness. Boosts diplomacy and such when dealing with members of that race.