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Well, after a few hours of research (Google-fu) I have determined one thing: There are many different conclusions about whether dinosaurs are in fact reptiles. On page even went so far as to claim birds are reptiles. It mostly comes down to do you think that being warm blooded makes you not a reptile. (Poorly written, I know.) I would say it being warm blooded makes you a not reptile. But I ain't no dang dinosaur-ologist! And I ain't no reptile, I just play one on the forums!
Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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In the context of Pathfinder I'm comfortable classifying dinosaurs, snakes, lizards, crocodiles, kobolds, nagas, nagaji, vishkanya, serpentfolk, reptoids, saurians and dragons as reptiles. Amphibians, only if a casual observer can mistake them for a lizard. Birds, frogs, nope.
*wanders off to award himself a made-up science award*
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In the context of Pathfinder I'm comfortable classifying dinosaurs, snakes, lizards, crocodiles, kobolds, nagas, nagaji, vishkanya, serpentfolk, reptoids, saurians and dragons as reptiles. Amphibians, only if a casual observer can mistake them for a lizard. Birds, frogs, nope.
*wanders off to award himself a made-up science award*
And where would you place those of us with mammalian tops and serpentine bottoms, such as Lillend Azatas, Lamia Matriarchs, and *sigh* Maraliths?
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Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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I've often toyed with a character idea of someone interested in taxonomically categorizing all the aberrations, oozes, magical beasts and so on that they encounter. Maybe an Alchemist.
Maybe the perfect idea for Starfinder...
I've had a lot of fun with my "scientific method" alchemist that empirically establishes which energy types can hurt critters.
Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East
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In whichever outer plane spawned them.And where would you place those of us with mammalian tops and serpentine bottoms, such as Lillend Azatas, Lamia Matriarchs, and *sigh* Maraliths?In the context of Pathfinder I'm comfortable classifying dinosaurs, snakes, lizards, crocodiles, kobolds, nagas, nagaji, vishkanya, serpentfolk, reptoids, saurians and dragons as reptiles. Amphibians, only if a casual observer can mistake them for a lizard. Birds, frogs, nope.
*wanders off to award himself a made-up science award*
Lamia's are monstrous humanoids, not outsiders. They'd fall under the same classification needs as Serpentfolk.
But I do agree that outsiders do not need such classifications, as they are biologically inert.
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I don't think that matters.
There are tons of different types of Demons, for example, and a Demonologist would be interested in classifying all of them. Whether it be for binding, destroying or brokering information.
There might not be a root for the "Tree of Demons", but I could still see classifications. Or at least the attempt at such.
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East
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Any advice on what critter to take for a one-level dip into Hunter at around level 7 or 8? I fear a level 1 AC isn't going to be up to the rigors of high tier, but the class gives it to me, so I might as well take it.
BTW, the dip is entirely for Gravity Bow on a wisdom based class. It was that or Sorcerer with the Empyreal Bloodline.
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Any advice on what critter to take for a one-level dip into Hunter at around level 7 or 8? I fear a level 1 AC isn't going to be up to the rigors of high tier, but the class gives it to me, so I might as well take it.
BTW, the dip is entirely for Gravity Bow on a wisdom based class. It was that or Sorcerer with the Empyreal Bloodline.
Why not go Feral Hunter instead? Instead of an animal companion you'd get an unlimited use of animal aspect.
As for suggestions:
I'd go with Bird (Hawk/Eagle/Owl) and teach it the trick that lets it drop alchemist's fire and such on people's heads.
With an 80 ft. fly speed they can generally stay out of trouble as well, and you can pass it off as a simple hunting bird.
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Besides the fetch trick, I'd probably go with the following set:
Quiet Watch, Bombard, Flee, Come, Bury, Get Help (and thus Fetch) for a total of 7 tricks (6+1 bonus)
It'll be mostly non-combat, but the Bombard trick lets you give it stuff to drop on enemies heads. Combine it with Fetch and you can set up a spot where it can pick up the alchemists fires and then divebomb them onto enemies :D
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Bad news for our furred and feathered friends
Cost Multipliers for Items: When an item has a cost multiplier, for instance for its size, unusual shape, or composition, does that apply before or after additional costs such as for making the item masterwork or using a special material?
All cost multipliers apply after you add up the total cost of the item before the multiplier. For example, a chain shirt costs 100 gp and a mithral chain shirt costs 1,100 gp after the +1,000 gp cost for mithral. If you were applying the 1/3 cost multiplier for crafting the item using the Craft skill, the cost multiplier from Table 6-8 based on size and body type, or both, you would apply those multipliers to the full 1,100 gp cost for the mithral chain shirt. This means a mithral chain shirt built for a rune giant costs 8,800 gp and a mithral chain shirt built for the tarrasque costs 35,200 gp.
It's going to be harder to convince pathfinders to make that initial investment in some good armor for their non humanoid pathfinders
*tap tap taps pointy stick*
We'll just have to be more convincing.
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Ouch.
Ah well, looks like I'm going to have to turn the huge non-humanoid noqual fullplate (which I priced at 24150) into a tiny non-humanoid +1 fitting noqual fullplate which will cost me 21650 gp, so I'm actually getting 2.500 gp refunded, instead of having to pay 84.000 gp extra to keep it (huge non-humanoid noqual fullplate will cost 108.150 under the new rule).
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My recommendation for a Large size, non-humanoid animal companion just changed from mithral kikko to mithral chain shirt, at least if someone just wants to be serious about their friend's survivability. I can fork out 4400 for a base armor, but not 17000.
Does anyone know if there are default rules about how to fix our existing barding, or do we need to wait for direction from campaign staff? The relevant clause in the year 7 guide seems to have been removed in the year 8 guide.
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We should probably make a new thread for this, and not bog down an already 800+ post discussion.
EDIT: and DONE!
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Ouch.
Ah well, looks like I'm going to have to turn the huge non-humanoid noqual fullplate (which I priced at 24150) into a tiny non-humanoid +1 fitting noqual fullplate which will cost me 21650 gp, so I'm actually getting 2.500 gp refunded, instead of having to pay 84.000 gp extra to keep it (huge non-humanoid noqual fullplate will cost 108.150 under the new rule).
That's is Fitting remains legal.
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That's is Fitting remains legal.Ouch.
Ah well, looks like I'm going to have to turn the huge non-humanoid noqual fullplate (which I priced at 24150) into a tiny non-humanoid +1 fitting noqual fullplate which will cost me 21650 gp, so I'm actually getting 2.500 gp refunded, instead of having to pay 84.000 gp extra to keep it (huge non-humanoid noqual fullplate will cost 108.150 under the new rule).
UGH. right cause the thing we need with a nerf is another nerf. Of course. Animal companions aren't supposed to wear armor that lets them make use of their dex.
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Can someone recommend good feats for a familiar? (Of the sits around and generally does nothing variety)?
I was thinking Combat Advice (assuming it can talk) so that it can just give out a +2 every round. Might draw attention to itself though if it's yelling across the battlefield to do so.
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I don't believe Scribe Scroll is legal for PFS. You will have to purchase those scrolls.
The way I understand the Heel and Come trick are like this. Heel means the pet will come stand next to you and then move with you. Come means the pet will come to you.
The way I understand Hunt is that yes the animal hunts but without the trick, it will not come back with what it caught. Hunts allows the pet to bring back the "kill".
Stay is very important. I would consider not taking Exclusive. It is really a pain when other party members are not able to give your pet a command for a trick it knows.
Useful feats: Improved Natural Attack, Spring Attack, Power Attack, Weapon Finesse, Dodge. All of these are animal feats already so do not require an Int above 2.
I am sure Flutter will be back shortly to give a much better answer!
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The way I want to role-play the animal is that he and the Druid are best friends and essentially brothers.
Excellent! Seen a few "my class feature replaceable meat shield" characters lately.
My first question would be, are these all useful?
Eyep. Hunt may be more flavor than anything, but you have the basics covered so thats fine. I might look into getting serve if you drop. Track is probably superfluous for a very counter intuitive reason: survival is not a class skill for animals that... make a living surviving in the wilderness. So putting ranks into it only adds 1 to the skill, something Mowgwi can do with a 200 gp ioun stone.
1.)If it is a large cat and I am a druid and we both have survival is hunt, or even track, necessary? I would imagine we could both hunt fairly well on our own without needing a trick to do so;
Generally as a druid you can make the survival checks. The nice thing is that once you and or the tiger have scent,
you can track people that would otherwise require a dc 30 or so survival check to track.
or is this more so that I can send Mittens/Mogli off on his own and share his dinner with the rest of us?
Eyup. A tiger understands the concept of find food eat food. Sharing.. not so much.
2.) I would like to be able to work "stay" into the trick list as that seems useful and if I do I can't imagine I need both "come" and "heel." I saw that, Flutter said the two are basically interchangeable and I guess I am just looking for confirmation on that. Or if maybe one is more practical than the other.
The base handle animal rules assume a move action to command a critter. You can free action "come" all day, effectively making it heel.
3.) Would Seek only be used to put Mogli/Mittens in danger or are there other applications for it other than just sending him into a room alone to be attacked, or the victim of a trap, or whatever else?
Seek has 1 good purpose: its the lowest level "find the invisible caster" ability in the game. ANd there are a LOT of invisible casters.
It has 1 very odd use, it and search really the base only "go over there" command
4.) Would any of these be worth dropping or replacing? Like I said, I would want to get Stay in my Tricks list; perhaps also Menace and Guard.
Trick: combat manuver is also a good one. Every once in a while you'll fight something whos AC you cant hit , but can grapple. Tripping someone lets another party member open up a can of whoop butt
Absolute musts:
Attack, Attack anything, Defend, Down, Flank, Heel (or come), seek
Good
Exclusive
Fetch
Sneak (keeping kittys stealth score up when he gets large will be problematic)
Detect (You have a good perception score, pathfinders generally have a good perception score. Or this would be higher
Meh
Track (since you don't track in combat, you can usually push this one if you're not in a hurry)
Hunt
5.) Is it possible that with a linguistics skill and high intelligence, it won't matter so much which tricks I pick since I will be able to efficiently push him to do what he doesn't know?
No. You specifically are stuck with the handle animal rules no matter what. Though a lot of DMs will give a lot more Leeway to an int 4 critter than an int 2 one if something weird happens. (something weird will happen)
Any appropriate combat based feats would be useful as well. Maybe even just a list of your favorites.
For a pouncer i Like unarmed strike/dragonstyle, because PFS is crawling with melee even more so than most parties and getting to the front of the line is absolutely essential. (you might hit the occasional DM that says they can't do that. Check locally)
Toughness because no matter how well you armor a critter (and it had better be well) there are nat 20s.
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Defend is a creature.
Since you have exclusive, serve goes right to the top of the list
Combat manuever grapple may be a good idea in case you want someone in an uneaten condition. They'll still get the whack of AoO but you'd be surprised how often people you want to talk to decide they can outrun you.
How this works
You give the command: "Scruff em!" would be kitty appropriate.
The cat moves up next to the guy and attempts a grapple check
If armed, he attempts to whack the kitty.
If he hit the kitty, the kitty gets a - X to his grapple check, where X is the damage.
Kitty attempts a combat manuver check. if successful He's grappled and can't go anywhere till he gets the cat off of him.
While kitty WILL grapple when he pounces also what he will do is charge bite attempt to grapple claw claw rake rake... which often leaves someone.. less than willing if not able to talk to the party outside of speak with dead.
Yes. Being large imposes a -4 penalty to stealth. It also lowers his dex by 1 for a -5.
The best ways to increase it are
1 rank in stealth for a +4 to it (its a class skill)
3,750 ish gp for Shadow armor and +5 competence bonus to stealth
Skill focus stealth works but is probably not worth it.
An int boosting ioun stone to give ranks in the skill for 8k effectively adds the creatures HD to their skill checks (at 1 skill point per level, spreading out is almost mandatory)
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Actually, the additional resource page is the appropriate page for PFS legality.
The scribe scroll illegality is however mentioned in the Roleplaying Guild Guide, along with all the other crafting feats.
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Harder than you might think. Even my buddies from high school that are all pot head/redneck don't care about football. They hunt, fish, camp, hike, live off grid with me, and play video games but won't watch football or play Pathfinder. I wish it was as easy as living in Minnesota. Oh well, at least there is a designated place to find people for Pathfinder.
@BigNorseWolf, but will they watch football with me too? Doesn't matter, I NEED someone to play Pathfinder with. Football can be all on my lonesome.I'm just glad I am in MinnesotaAnswered your own question :)
You probably don't need to move to PA, though. I'm pretty sure you have a surfeit of Pathfinder in Minnesota and I'm sure some not-insignificant portion of those players will be happy to at least watch a Vikings game with you!
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Is it possible to change your animal companion's alignment to something non-Neutral? Karogo, my wolf, has 3 Int and a rank in Knowledge (Religion) now so it seems reasonable to allow a change. I really don't know if there are any restrictions on this or not, though.
Also, did this thread go cold? It was always my go-to location for animal companion questions, but it hasn't had a post in a long time.