Hey guys, any thoughts on this yet? Holiday weekend is over and you'll should be back. Have a character I need to figure out if I can make him a half-elf or if he's stuck being an Aasmir.Patience my young apprentice. Make him a half elf, not every character needs every advantage. :-)
I am being patient, just twiddling my thumbs waiting for my answer.....
Still waiting....
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I really wish I was a spider under the table in Mike Brock's office.Why? You would be eaten by the animal companion I keep in my office.And what other lethal traps do you have for snooping PFS players? Have they snagged any interns by "mistake"?
I can neither confirm nor deny if there are any traps in or around my office. I can also not speak about what happened to some of the interns that are no longer seen or heard from.
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I can neither confirm nor deny if there are any traps in or around my office. I can also not speak about what happened to some of the interns that are no longer seen or heard from.I really wish I was a spider under the table in Mike Brock's office.Why? You would be eaten by the animal companion I keep in my office.And what other lethal traps do you have for snooping PFS players? Have they snagged any interns by "mistake"?
What happens at Paizo, stays at Paizo.
Except that isnt true, as is evidenced by this thread. :P
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I really wish I was a spider under the table in Mike Brock's office.Why? You would be eaten by the animal companion I keep in my office.And what other lethal traps do you have for snooping PFS players? Have they snagged any interns by "mistake"?
"Call the University, we need another Timmy!"
I'm getting the feeling that visiting the Paizo offices is as dangerous an activity as delivering pizza for Torchwood.
This kind of reminds me of the Confirmation.
"Hi, I'm Kyra. I'm a cleric of Saranae, I woke up in a closet where I vaugely remember other mees and heard someone say "Aw man! We need a cleric!"" - Kyra introducing herself. It's a joke that the grand lodge has a 'closet full of Kyras.'
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I really wish I was a spider under the table in Mike Brock's office.Why? You would be eaten by the animal companion I keep in my office.And what other lethal traps do you have for snooping PFS players? Have they snagged any interns by "mistake"?
"Call the University, we need another Timmy!"
I'm getting the feeling that visiting the Paizo offices is as dangerous an activity as delivering pizza for Torchwood.
This kind of reminds me of the Confirmation.
"Hi, I'm Kyra. I'm a cleric of Saranae, I woke up in a closet where I vaugely remember other mees and heard someone say "Aw man! We need a cleric!"" - Kyra introducing herself. It's a joke that the grand lodge has a 'closet full of Kyras.'
In the darkest corner, of the deepest, darkest sub-level of the Grand Lodge in Absolom, can be heard the despairing wail of the latest apprentice Wizard, "What do you mean?! Another 25 Kyra clones, and 7 more Ezrens? What do you think I am? A slave?! I can only cast Clone so many times a day, you know. Can't you get those lazy Pathfinders to keep their adventuring companions alive for once?"
Get it right. John is a "bard." (must use finger quotes)
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I'd like to point out that this particular house rule is going to become more of a problem when the Advanced Class Guide is released as it is going to contain race-based favored class options which are not in the ARG and thus do not fall afoul of PFS weird racial character option rules.
I think that the language about restricting racial choices from only one specific book (ARG) should be removed and each chapter of non-core races should carry it's own "must have a boon" restriction, assuming that the intent of the rule was to keep people from poaching options from "special" boon races rather than restricting non-core abilities in general.
This would help by serving the dual purpose of moving the way PFS works back towards RAW as well as harmonizing the way that racial character options from all the books are treated.
Access to the human favored class options would make half-elves a great choice for crossblooded sorcerers. Dual-minded would cancel out the -2 penalty to will saves, and a favored class bonus of one extra spell known would more than cancel out the crossblooded penalty to number of spells known.
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Access to the human favored class options would make half-elves a great choice for crossblooded sorcerers. Dual-minded would cancel out the -2 penalty to will saves, and a favored class bonus of one extra spell known would more than cancel out the crossblooded penalty to number of spells known.
So does Iron Will, which Humans can take as their human bonus feat.
Of course the half elf still gets access to paragon surge and therefore would be better then any human.
So does Iron Will, which Humans can take as their human bonus feat.
True, but I like the thematic elements with half-elves. Crossblooded sorcerers suffer a will penalty because it is so difficult to reconcile their mixed bloodlines, but half-elves can get a will bonus because they have learned to reconcile their human and elven heritages. It seems appropriate that these would cancel out.
Ok, I just looked up Paragon Surge. Holy mackerel, that's a good spell!
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and a favored class bonus of one extra spell known would more than cancel out the crossblooded penalty to number of spells known.
Not really; the biggest downside to crossblooded is that you get your new spell levels later, and the human FCB doesn't change that at all, since you can only select a new spell at least a level lower than your highest slot.
and a favored class bonus of one extra spell known would more than cancel out the crossblooded penalty to number of spells known.Not really; the biggest downside to crossblooded is that you get your new spell levels later, and the human FCB doesn't change that at all, since you can only select a new spell at least a level lower than your highest slot.
Yeah, crossblooded sorcs get second level spells at level 5, which is painful. They're pretty much moving at theurge pace.
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Ok, I just looked up Paragon Surge. Holy mackerel, that's a good spell!
There's a lot of crazy things you can do with it too, some are more for Sorcerer/Oracle then Wizard, Cleric, Witch, Magus, Paladin, or Arcanist.
Need a caster level increase? Get Spell Specialization.
Need to use a metamagic or prep a spell you didn't prep? Have Heighten? Get Preferred Spell.
Already have Preferred Spell and need to meta without adjusting the level of the spell too much? Get Extra Traits (Magical Lineage and Wayang Spell Hunter) for your preferred spell.
And then the sorcerer tricks
Have Eldritch Heritage Arcane, and need a spell you don't know? Well if you are 11th level you can grab Improved Eldritch Heritage Arcane to grab a spell and add it to your known spells. Or you can grab Expanded Arcana without being 11th level.
It gets even better if you are an Eldritch Knight (in my opinion) since you can gain combat feats that might be more situational when you need them.
Anyway, I'm veering off the topic of favored class bonuses and the ARG race restriction a bit, but yea, holy mackerel indeed.
and a favored class bonus of one extra spell known would more than cancel out the crossblooded penalty to number of spells known.Not really; the biggest downside to crossblooded is that you get your new spell levels later, and the human FCB doesn't change that at all, since you can only select a new spell at least a level lower than your highest slot.
Thanks for the perspective. My thinking was too simple: lose 10 spells, but gain 20 and you're ahead. Having never played a crossblooded sorcerer, I hadn't considered the timing of the two changes. I guess you can't ever get that lost 9th level spell back either. Still, it makes half-elf a reasonable alternative to human if you wanted to play a crossblooded sorcerer.
For me, there are two attractive options that this change would open up.
1. A half-elf hexcrafter magus could use the elven bonus to get up to three extra hexes.
2. A half-elf magician bard could use the human bonus to get up to 20 extra bard spells known in addition to the extra 5 from any arcane class.
Both of these provide some greater flexibility, opening up more party roles for the characters. Neither is game-breaking. You can build them now using elves or humans. I just prefer half-elves.
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Would like to add the question of whether an Aasimar with the Scion of Humanity race trait would be would be in the same position as a half-elf or half-orc in this matter, and dot for interest.
Consider that the Scion of Humanity says this: Scion of Humanity: Some aasimars' heavenly ancestry is extremely distant. An aasimar with this racial trait counts as an outsider (native) and a humanoid (human) for any effect related to race, including feat prerequisites and spells that affect humanoids. She can pass for human without using the Disguise skill. This racial trait replaces the Celestial language and alters the native subtype.
Half Elf's Elf blood says this: Elf Blood: Half-elves count as both elves and humans for any effect related to race.
Both have the line For any effect related to race. thus with the same language, I would say that yes, a Scion of Humanity Aasimar should be able to take human favored class bonuses.
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It's coming. The VOs and I are hammering out the language now and the ruling will be posted in the next few days. Just as a head's up, no Orc options are going to be allowed. Aasimars and Tieflings are not going to be able to choose other racial options. We are debating the elf oracle favored class bonus (which is also the aasimar oracle favored class bonus), and is most likely going to be removed as an option. There are a few other things we still need to look at, but you have a basis to work from now.
Like I said, final wording will be formulated over the next few days and posted here as well as the FAQ. I'm off to a Super Bowl party so won't be here to respond the rest of the evening.
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The elf oracle favored class bonus (which is also the aasimar oracle favored class bonus), is most likely going to be removed as an option.For everyone or simply for half elves? If it's removed as an option for everyone how would that effect characters who have already taken that option?
They would likely get to choose another FCB.
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It's coming. The VOs and I are hammering out the language now and the ruling will be posted in the next few days. Just as a head's up, no Orc options are going to be allowed. Aasimars and Tieflings are not going to be able to choose other racial options. We are debating the elf oracle favored class bonus (which is also the aasimar oracle favored class bonus), and is most likely going to be removed as an option. There are a few other things we still need to look at, but you have a basis to work from now.
Like I said, final wording will be formulated over the next few days and posted here as well as the FAQ. I'm off to a Super Bowl party so won't be here to respond the rest of the evening.
Thank you for the update!
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Personally Im fine with doing away with the Hybrid FCB (Half-elf Taking Elf, Half-Orc Taking Orc) as in My Opinion that's not the intent of the rules
however Removing FCB from the Races that they were intended for (Aasimar Oracle FCB on an Aasimar, Elf Oracle FCB on an Elf) I am not a fan of
yes it is on the OP Side but far from the most OP thing in the game right now .. and for the most part everything I've seen from this is focused into a support Character ... and it takes a special type of person to be able to play one of those
-Note- I did say "For the Most part*
