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I've NEVER played Magic: The Gathering, and was never inspired to start.
I hate Magic: The Gathering so much!What? I've never seen you hate anything and suddenly you hate my favorite game? For shame!
Would you still hate it if I told you this art appeared on a recent card?
Yes yes i would, my hatred is personal, i'm sure the art is just fine:-)
I could go off about it, but i'd rather not and leave it at that:-)
How did you stop playing in '93? It was barely out...
Sorry, I lost a few years in the 90s. After conferring with wikipedia, it appears I quit sometime after the revised edition, so late '94. I know I had binders full of cards and sold them off for nearly nothing. If I had them now .. well, I'd probably still not get a lot for them. :)
Ah yes the 90s, i remember the 90s........
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Don't know if it's appropriate to mention, even here...
But I have conceptualized monster girls based on thousands of monsters, including hundreds of Pathfinder creatures. If you don't know what monster girls are, google at your own risk..., and I wouldn't recommend doing so if your not into females. Please don't hate me...
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I enjoyed playing Magic and played through the first couple sets. However, eventually I came to realize the game is just a blatant money grab. Every new release has new gimmick abilities that can only be countered by other cards in the same release. I still have all my old cards and break them out on rare occasions to play with my dad or a friend.
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I found MTG to be mediocre at best. Particularly how the strategy relies almost entirely on the deck build and card abilities rather than the base mechanics.
I prefer Yugioh, but I don't think that ever saw the potential it could be.
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I've had the press take my compliment and twist it into a complaint. Lost a friend and the game I was promoting.
Confession: I stopped playing MTG after they changed to "the stack," and I stopped playing BECAUSE they changed to "the stack."
Crack: The Gathering.
I never got hooked, back when it was first starting, but some of my gamer friends did.
I kicked the habit years ago, but to this day I sometimes get an itch when I see Magic cards.
*shivers*
There's nothing like that crack-laced new-card smell...
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So what are the larger sized card for?
I work in a toy store, so I see them but I don't want to ask co-workers, they already think I'm weird because I don't know video games :-)
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I once worked as the manager of a video store and I never watched movies. In the year I worked there I took home 3 videos. I'm just not a huge movie fan and I'm pretty picky about what I watch (not snobby, mind you. I watch some pretty awful movies). But customers and my coworkers alike thought I was really strange for not watching more.
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I love Magic the Gathering...
If you want to play on a budget with friends (strangers will probably not let you do this) just take a bunch of blank cards and use colored pens to draw the cards yourself. Costs pennies and you can theory craft the best decks money could buy. So all the fun and none of the cost.
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I once worked as the manager of a video store and I never watched movies. In the year I worked there I took home 3 videos. I'm just not a huge movie fan and I'm pretty picky about what I watch (not snobby, mind you. I watch some pretty awful movies). But customers and my coworkers alike thought I was really strange for not watching more.
I'm with you, mostly. I've seen plenty of movies I like, but more often than not it feels like wasted time to just sit and watch one. Especially at home.
So what are the larger sized card for?
I work in a toy store, so I see them but I don't want to ask co-workers, they already think I'm weird because I don't know video games :-)
They are probably the player reward cards.
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Back to shunning; I love dungeon crawls.
I've never played Magic, though when my son was younger I played Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh some with him.
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Any game where you get better by putting more money into it rather than (or more so than) putting time, effort, or strategy is a game I'm not interested in. It's why I hate all collectable card games, and an aspect of wargaming I'm not into.
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Don't know if it's appropriate to mention, even here...
But I have conceptualized monster girls based on thousands of monsters, including hundreds of Pathfinder creatures. If you don't know what monster girls are, google at your own risk..., and I wouldn't recommend doing so if your not into females. Please don't hate me...
BROTHER.
BROTHER.Don't know if it's appropriate to mention, even here...
But I have conceptualized monster girls based on thousands of monsters, including hundreds of Pathfinder creatures. If you don't know what monster girls are, google at your own risk..., and I wouldn't recommend doing so if your not into females. Please don't hate me...
Teraphiles :P
[Incidentally, one of my players is *really* into the anthropomorphic moeblob s!*%, if you have a link to your Monstergirls I'd appreciate it.]
Pick a -booru.
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So what are the larger sized card for?
I work in a toy store, so I see them but I don't want to ask co-workers, they already think I'm weird because I don't know video games :-)
It can depend. Most likely, they're Commanders.
In the Commander/EDH format, think of your deck as an army, and the Commander as your general. They have to be Legends (or certain "planeswalkers"), and your deck must match their colors. Since the Commander generally is played from a zone outside the game, not from your hand, the oversized versions are a gimmicky way of using them.
Does that make sense?
So what are the larger sized card for?
I work in a toy store, so I see them but I don't want to ask co-workers, they already think I'm weird because I don't know video games :-)
It can depend. Most likely, they're Commanders.
In the Commander/EDH format, think of your deck as an army, and the Commander as your general. They have to be Legends (or certain "planeswalkers"), and your deck must match their colors. Since the Commander generally is played from a zone outside the game, not from your hand, the oversized versions are a gimmicky way of using them.
Does that make sense?
Yes, and yet no, not at all.
Hm. Any questions? Or more questioning the underlying assumption (e.g., why anyone would want to play that way at all)?
What you outlined makes sense in terms of how the game is played. Changing the game to be played that way makes no sense.
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Don't know if it's appropriate to mention, even here...
But I have conceptualized monster girls based on thousands of monsters, including hundreds of Pathfinder creatures. If you don't know what monster girls are, google at your own risk..., and I wouldn't recommend doing so if your not into females. Please don't hate me...
Um...I don't want to risk Googling, but curiosity for its own sake is almost a principle of mine. Are you talking about something truly repulsive (like pictures of birth defects), or just weird and goofy (i.e. furries)?
I love MtG! I recently got back into it after I stopped playing around Rise of Eldrazi: I played a little with Theros last year (was that an awful format <.<), but started playing more with Khans.
If you play constructed it does cost a lot (Standard is prohibitive. I really don't know how people can keep up with it), but a draft costs only around 12 bucks: you keep the cards, you get to play, and draft is the best thing ever*. :P
WotC is getting better at building sets, too, so they aren't as bomb dependent as earlier sets (Khan-Khan-Fate was one of the most fun I've had with MtG in a long time!).
*Ok, Cube (home format that's played like draft, but you pick the cards you put in the pool) is the best thing ever, but it does cost a lot if you don't proxy some cards.
Any game where you get better by putting more money into it rather than (or more so than) putting time, effort, or strategy is a game I'm not interested in. It's why I hate all collectable card games, and an aspect of wargaming I'm not into.
Not completely true. Yes you have to spend a certain amount to get a strong deck (if you are playing officially like a tournament then yes this can get a little pricey) but the bang for your buck is strongest with less cards the person who has a few decks only is going to get a big power boost from one booster where the person with a crate packed with cards probably won't see any boost from just a single pack.
Also however are equal parts strategy / tactics. Knowing how cards work together and the timing on how best to use them both for your strategy and your opponents is key to higher levels of play where you all probably have many of the same cards available.
And luck will of course factor into any game using cards or dice.
Any game where you get better by putting more money into it rather than (or more so than) putting time, effort, or strategy is a game I'm not interested in. It's why I hate all collectable card games, and an aspect of wargaming I'm not into.Not completely true. Yes you have to spend a certain amount to get a strong deck (if you are playing officially like a tournament then yes this can get a little pricey) but the bang for your buck is strongest with less cards the person who has a few decks only is going to get a big power boost from one booster where the person with a crate packed with cards probably won't see any boost from just a single pack.
Also however are equal parts strategy / tactics. Knowing how cards work together and the timing on how best to use them both for your strategy and your opponents is key to higher levels of play where you all probably have many of the same cards available.
And luck will of course factor into any game using cards or dice.
But paying more money flat out makes you better if you put enough cash into it. That's an inherent problem I'm utterly disinterested in participating in. You have to dump a certain amount of cash into the game to even be in the same league as the average player, and let's face it, you can improve your game through a cash investment alone...maybe not as much as cash AND strategy, but there is a direct monetary investment and success correlation.
That's rewarding wealth and punishing poverty. That happens enough in the world; I don't need to support a game that reflects such a position.
Any game where you get better by putting more money into it rather than (or more so than) putting time, effort, or strategy is a game I'm not interested in. It's why I hate all collectable card games, and an aspect of wargaming I'm not into.Not completely true. Yes you have to spend a certain amount to get a strong deck (if you are playing officially like a tournament then yes this can get a little pricey) but the bang for your buck is strongest with less cards the person who has a few decks only is going to get a big power boost from one booster where the person with a crate packed with cards probably won't see any boost from just a single pack.
Also however are equal parts strategy / tactics. Knowing how cards work together and the timing on how best to use them both for your strategy and your opponents is key to higher levels of play where you all probably have many of the same cards available.
And luck will of course factor into any game using cards or dice.
But paying more money flat out makes you better if you put enough cash into it. That's an inherent problem I'm utterly disinterested in participating in. You have to dump a certain amount of cash into the game to even be in the same league as the average player, and let's face it, you can improve your game through a cash investment alone...maybe not as much as cash AND strategy, but there is a direct monetary investment and success correlation.
That's rewarding wealth and punishing poverty. That happens enough in the world; I don't need to support a game that reflects such a position.
You could always use my pennies to play option. Where you simply draw the cards you want in the deck on blank cards. All the fun and almost no cost. It just isn't tournament legal for obvious reasons.
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Words, and even more so names, mean what they're used to mean, not what their roots mean.
Are you one of those people who use "literally" as a random word for emphasis with no regard to its actual meaning, so we end up with people who literally cry their eyes out, yet somehow still have eyes?
Um...I don't want to risk Googling, but curiosity for its own sake is almost a principle of mine. Are you talking about something truly repulsive (like pictures of birth defects), or just weird and goofy (i.e. furries)?
Goofy end of spectrum, I didn't see anything ZOMG when I googled it all up.
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Goofy end of spectrum, I didn't see anything ZOMG when I googled it all up.Um...I don't want to risk Googling, but curiosity for its own sake is almost a principle of mine. Are you talking about something truly repulsive (like pictures of birth defects), or just weird and goofy (i.e. furries)?
Roger.
I hate sprinkles, jimmies, or whatever they are called in your neck of the woods.
Words, and even more so names, mean what they're used to mean, not what their roots mean.Are you one of those people who use "literally" as a random word for emphasis with no regard to its actual meaning, so we end up with people who literally cry their eyes out, yet somehow still have eyes?I try not to. Given a long enough time and sufficient usage in that sense, that'll be correct usage though.
OTOH, I strictly use "gay" to mean happy and am constantly confused by why people are upset about happy marriages. :)For other linguistic things that'll get me shunned: I can't wait until the possessive "it's" takes over and becomes correct usage. In nearly every other word, the "'s" can be either a contraction of "is" or a possessive. "It" being an exception makes no sense.
Good, good. Sorry, for a second there I interpreted your words in the worst possible way.
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Regarding Magic the Gathering:
All those who stopped playing many years ago should seriously considering checking out the game again. It changed dramatically, and for the better. As a newer player who only started out about 5 years back, I look at the sets they had more than ten years ago and ask myself how the hack anyone was willing to play that.
The most major change is that a lot of the focus of the game shifted to an entirely new style of play called "Limited". Limited magic is when instead of each player showing up with a prebuilt deck of legal cards, players open new booster packs on the spot and build their decks from the content of these boosters. A particular kind of game called a "booster draft" (or just draft) is certainly the best
This entire thing repeats until all boosters have been opened and all cards chosen. Then, each player can add as many basic lands as he wishes and build a 40 card deck.
At about 12$ per event this is not exactly cheap, but it's an excellent way to pass an evening and winning usually means getting enough rewards to make next time cheaper or even free - plus you get to keep whatever cards you opened and either build a collection or sell expansive cards to reduce overall expanses.
Reasons to play Magic:
1) Really, really deep gameplay - that doesn't come merely from complexity. It is possible to encounter so many different situations in a game of magic, there are so many decisions to make, and new cards with new interactions replace old ones all the time, so that the game *never* goes stale.
2) Fascinating multiverse: Each year (and starting from this fall, twice each year) Magic visits a new world. These worlds are often awesome and unique - Ravnica is a city the size of an entire planet, in Zendikar Lovecraftian beings roam, Theros is a fantasy version of greek mythology, Mirrodin is a metal world created by a wizard where living flesh is fused with the environment... and there are plenty more. Magic is a great way to explore new settings.
3) Tons of great free web content - sites like channelfireball.com, podcasts such as Limited Resources and many other fan creations allow players to really get a lot out of Magic even when not playing the game. Additionally many of the very best players in the world (and contrary to what some said, Magic is definitely governed by skill, and some players are very consistently better than others) record themselves playing online which allows one to learn quickly.
I really recommend the game to anyone and everyone. Matter of fact next weekend is the prerelease of a new set of magic - "magic origins", that explores the backstories of the games' "main characters", powerful spellcasters called Plansewalkers because they can travel between dimensions. It's a set aimed at newer players and a great entry point to the game. If anyone is even mildly curious about the game I'd strongly recommend grabbing a friend or two and checking it out.
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I enjoyed playing Magic and played through the first couple sets. However, eventually I came to realize the game is just a blatant money grab. Every new release has new gimmick abilities that can only be countered by other cards in the same release. I still have all my old cards and break them out on rare occasions to play with my dad or a friend.
This, by the way, is only partially true. The way the "money grab" works is that old cards "rotate out" as new cards are introduced. That is, in each year it is tournament legal only to play cards from the previous couple of years. In regards to power level, the most powerful cards are actually the oldest, as they were designed before the game developers had a firm grasp on how it works. Nowadays things are much much more balanced.
I don't think bacon is anything special.
I'm with you on that one. I just don't get bacon - it's not nearly as good as most other kinds of meat in general, and even pork specifically. It's just OK.
Bacon grease is great for curing cast iron skillets.
BACON!!!!
Confession: I think that Channeling is a pretty useful class ability, and provides a non-trivial amount of healing to a party.
Also, I think DPR is trending too high, which is why so many of the more "traditional" classes now seem underpowered in comparison.
Regarding Magic the Gathering:
All those who stopped playing many years ago should seriously considering checking out the game again. It changed dramatically, and for the better. As a newer player who only started out about 5 years back, I look at the sets they had more than ten years ago and ask myself how the hack anyone was willing to play that.
I often think about revisiting it, and the reasons you give are pretty good. But in the end, it's still a costly extra hobby that I'd end up getting way too many cards for and then get irritated with myself. Aranna's solution is pretty good for casual play, but I just don't see myself getting back into it.
Plus, there is the extra irritation that the wall of sound and people in the gaming stores playing Magic have made it hard to shop several times. <shakes fist>