Have you ever heard of errata or splat books? You do know that anything written after the original is supposed to supersede (in most cases) the old and add in more stuff right?
I really suggest you go read the new stuff before coming in and preaching your holier than thou rhetoric using the older RAW. That's not the way to debate or convince people who have read the other books and seemingly have more knowledge than you. Just sayin'.
Oh? And they have special rules that alter the paladin's code? Is that in the deity description on how their code changes if paladins worship them?
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He should take helpless creatures prisoner and turn them over to the proper authorities. Even if he give the morlock a sword. If the morlock does not try to fight the paladin, he can in no way honorably kill it.Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.
"A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features"
Your code supersedes commands from your deity. Even if you follow your deities commands, but break your code, you fall.
Should he have healed up the morlock, given it a weapon, and then slew it in combat? Why? The morlock likely has absolutely no chance winning, in which case you are setting up a farce combat in order to create a facade of honor. This almost seems evil to me, as you are deliberately setting up the morlock to suffer more.
Wow, just... wow. I think we are being trolled at this point. This poster obviously hasn't read much of the thread or any of the books that contain the subject matter appropriate for this particular paladin (a Dwarf Stonelord who follows Torag). I'm on to talking with the rest of you who can hold a good conversation about the various merits of different paladins and what they do in their adventures.
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Those HD could have been gain through fighting off other monsters.
Then it is not evil. Something that exclusively fights combat-worthy monsters to survive is not evil.
Drizzt the drow creature kills monsters to survive, and does not kill anything that is not a threat to himself or others. He is good.
Most any given other drow kills, then tortures the non-combatants for fun, and sacrifices even their own children to gain favor with demonic lords and evil gods. They are evil.
This can be applied to other creatures. A wyvern is not evil by nature, but it is intelligent and capable of evil. A hill giant is evil by nature, but capable of NOT being evil if it so chooses.
Oh? And they have special rules that alter the paladin's code? Is that in the deity description on how their code changes if paladins worship them?Have you ever heard of errata or splat books? You do know that anything written after the original is supposed to supersede (in most cases) the old and add in more stuff right?
I really suggest you go read the new stuff before coming in and preaching your holier than thou rhetoric using the older RAW. That's not the way to debate or convince people who have read the other books and seemingly have more knowledge than you. Just sayin'.
Ugh, can't help myself... One last time. Go read Faiths of Purity, starting on page 26. Within you will find SPECIFIC CODES TO SPECIFIC DEITIES specifically for Paladins. Read it and then come back and talk to us please. Until you do, I'm done trying to argue with you.
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How honorable is it to fight an enemy 4 on 1?Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.
"A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features"
Your code supersedes commands from your deity. Even if you follow your deities commands, but break your code, you fall.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary.
"Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
Please, play My Little Pony Fantasy 6, a Ff6 version, and say that about evil.
Heck, watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and see the episode with Discord.
Evil is not nice and willing to be turned.Luna was an exception as she was once good, but turned evil.
Right, it's time to ponify this thread. Summon the herd! We befriend at dawn!
Luna was also an exception because her evil was due to an outside influence, which the Elements purged. Sombra and Chrysalis remain total villains--in fact, Sombra was killed.
Only about three enemies of the many that have been faced have actually been redeemed, even counting minor antagonists--Flim-Flam Brothers are still driving innocent ponies out of business somewhere with their inventions, Diamond Dogs are still stealing gems, and all those dragons (with the exception of the one Fluttershy Stared at) remain, y'know, dragons.
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Oh? And they have special rules that alter the paladin's code? Is that in the deity description on how their code changes if paladins worship them?Have you ever heard of errata or splat books? You do know that anything written after the original is supposed to supersede (in most cases) the old and add in more stuff right?
I really suggest you go read the new stuff before coming in and preaching your holier than thou rhetoric using the older RAW. That's not the way to debate or convince people who have read the other books and seemingly have more knowledge than you. Just sayin'.
YES!
Congratulations, you win a clue! ;)
Ugh, can't help myself... One last time. Go read Faiths of Purity, starting on page 26. Within you will find SPECIFIC CODES TO SPECIFIC DEITIES specifically for Paladins. Read it and then come back and talk to us please. Until you do, I'm done trying to argue with you.Oh? And they have special rules that alter the paladin's code? Is that in the deity description on how their code changes if paladins worship them?Have you ever heard of errata or splat books? You do know that anything written after the original is supposed to supersede (in most cases) the old and add in more stuff right?
I really suggest you go read the new stuff before coming in and preaching your holier than thou rhetoric using the older RAW. That's not the way to debate or convince people who have read the other books and seemingly have more knowledge than you. Just sayin'.
So in the a world where every paladin player has that book you would be right. In home games many do not have that book and in PFS you can't use those rules unless you own the book.
That book is not even on the PRD
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary."Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
Scold the goblin for such dishonourable tactics. Then give the maiden a dagger and leave.
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Oh? And they have special rules that alter the paladin's code? Is that in the deity description on how their code changes if paladins worship them?Have you ever heard of errata or splat books? You do know that anything written after the original is supposed to supersede (in most cases) the old and add in more stuff right?
I really suggest you go read the new stuff before coming in and preaching your holier than thou rhetoric using the older RAW. That's not the way to debate or convince people who have read the other books and seemingly have more knowledge than you. Just sayin'.
Yes.
Scold the goblin for such dishonourable tactics. Then give the maiden a dagger and leave.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary."Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
No. He has to strip naked and fight the goblin bare handed. It's the only way.
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Marthkus, if it is inherently dishonorable to kill helpless creatures, how can paladins be an Inheritor's Crusader? The class specifically calls out paladins as a potential entry class. When they use Sword Against Injustice on a helpless prisoner and it kills (because they are guilty), are they stripped of their paladin powers?
No. He has to strip naked and fight the goblin bare handed. It's the only way.Scold the goblin for such dishonourable tactics. Then give the maiden a dagger and leave.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary."Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
I AM BEOWULF!!!!
How honorable is it to fight an enemy 4 on 1?Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.
"A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features"
Your code supersedes commands from your deity. Even if you follow your deities commands, but break your code, you fall.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary.
"Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
Except it's not helpless. The goblin can run away or not attack you. A prisoner tied up in corner begging for mercy is helpless.
My plan was to heal them and let them go. they were no threat what so ever. we had just killed 30+ urdafins and aqua demons (i call them Zoidbergs) what was an unarmed morlock going to do at the most they would thank us at the least they would run. I look at them more like squirrels or rats. the party had previously with out my character managed to kill the entire morlock colony including the normal ones. But every body should have a fighting chance to live.
just because I sneak into your room and stab you doesn't mean you didn't get a fighting chance you chose not to guard the door and your watch is inept. and chances are if i come to your door something you did brought me there the people I kill are bad bad men not starving rats who cant lift a finger to hurt me.
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No. He has to strip naked and fight the goblin bare handed. It's the only way.Scold the goblin for such dishonourable tactics. Then give the maiden a dagger and leave.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary."Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
LOL...it's still unfair. He has 150+ hp...the gobbo, 5. His BAB is +20...*snicker*...does he have to tie his hands behind his back, and only head-butt? ;)
Except it's not helpless. The goblin can run away or not attack you. A prisoner tied up in corner begging for mercy is helpless.How honorable is it to fight an enemy 4 on 1?Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.
"A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features"
Your code supersedes commands from your deity. Even if you follow your deities commands, but break your code, you fall.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary.
"Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
No.
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Except it's not helpless. The goblin can run away or not attack you. A prisoner tied up in corner begging for mercy is helpless.How honorable is it to fight an enemy 4 on 1?Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.
"A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features"
Your code supersedes commands from your deity. Even if you follow your deities commands, but break your code, you fall.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary.
"Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
I never even saw that they were begging for mercy.
PS: If the goblin runs, I'm still going to kill it.
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Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.
Says who? Where are you getting this from? Is it written somewhere? Or are you taking your 2013 American ethics and applying it to Golorian? If you are (and it sounds like you are), do you do this for everyone? If Orcs break into a powerful (read: high level) Samurai's house and he kills them when he could have easily defeated them with non-lethal, does the Samurai "fall", because he committed murder?
If a bunch of adventurers are going through a dungeon and a bunch of Drow attack, and the adventurers kill them, does the cleric of Abadar lose his powers because technically, the adventurers were trespassing, the Drow were in the right to defend their land, so the adventurers committed murder which is against the law. Abadar being the god of laws.
Now I've quoted Marthkus, but a lot of people have said pretty much the same thing.
LOL...it's still unfair. He has 150+ hp...the gobbo, 5. His BAB is +20...*snicker*...does he have to tie his hands behind his back, and only head-butt? ;)
Head-butting is unfair. It takes advantage of how much easier it is to hit the goblin's considerable larger head. No, what's only fair is to challenge the goblin to a game of...that game with the birds the goblins at Thistletop play.
Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.Says who? Where are you getting this from? Is it written somewhere? Or are you taking your 2013 American ethics and applying it to Golorian? If you are (and it sounds like you are), do you do this for everyone? If Orcs break into a powerful (read: high level) Samurai's house and he kills them when he could have easily defeated them with non-lethal, does the Samurai "fall", because he committed murder?
If a bunch of adventurers are going through a dungeon and a bunch of Drow attack, and the adventurers kill them, does the cleric of Abadar lose his powers because technically, the adventurers were trespassing, the Drow were in the right to defend their land, so the adventurers committed murder which is against the law. Abadar being the god of laws.
Now I've quoted Marthkus, but a lot of people have said pretty much the same thing.
What's weird is that you said you disagree with me, but then state an example that agrees with me. I'm not sure how to respond.
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Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.Says who? Where are you getting this from? Is it written somewhere? Or are you taking your 2013 American ethics and applying it to Golorian? If you are (and it sounds like you are), do you do this for everyone? If Orcs break into a powerful (read: high level) Samurai's house and he kills them when he could have easily defeated them with non-lethal, does the Samurai "fall", because he committed murder?
If a bunch of adventurers are going through a dungeon and a bunch of Drow attack, and the adventurers kill them, does the cleric of Abadar lose his powers because technically, the adventurers were trespassing, the Drow were in the right to defend their land, so the adventurers committed murder which is against the law. Abadar being the god of laws.
Now I've quoted Marthkus, but a lot of people have said pretty much the same thing.
Hear, hear.
Paladins. Lawful, my butt. As if there weren't laws against breaking and entering. As if they didn't murder the defenders. I mean, let's use our standards, and realize...the whole lot of them are psychopathic criminals...
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You're kind'of an @$$. Just to let you know.No.Except it's not helpless. The goblin can run away or not attack you. A prisoner tied up in corner begging for mercy is helpless.How honorable is it to fight an enemy 4 on 1?Killing a helpless opponent is dishonorable. It doesn't matter what your deities tenets are.
"A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features"
Your code supersedes commands from your deity. Even if you follow your deities commands, but break your code, you fall.
For that matter...assume you've built this amazingly tough paladin. He's 20th level, and regularly deals with Earth-shattering foes. He comes upon a farm, where the sole inhabitant present, a young maiden, is being harassed by a single goblin, straight out of the bestiary.
"Halt, evildoer!"
Now...the goblin has NO chance of hurting you significantly. It needs a 20 to hit, and in your adamantine fortified plate, maximum damage will just get your attention.
I wonder what the appropriate response is supposed to be. The goblin is essentially helpless, compared to you.
Opinion.
You're kind'of an @$$. Just to let you know.
Hey, now, love and tolerate! :)
Head-butting is unfair. It takes advantage of how much easier it is to hit the goblin's considerable larger head. No, what's only fair is to challenge the goblin to a game of...that game with the birds the goblins at Thistletop play.
LOL...it's still unfair. He has 150+ hp...the gobbo, 5. His BAB is +20...*snicker*...does he have to tie his hands behind his back, and only head-butt? ;)
So we're ignoring the fact that the goblin could run away or have never attacked the paladin in the first place, while a helpless prisoner has no such options against the blood crazed soon-to-fall paladin?
I've never said I agree or disagree. I'm simply asking where you got killing helpless opponents is always dishonorable (I added always because I assume that's what you meant, feel free to correct, and give me an example of when it is honorable if I've misinterrupted)
Blood-crazed? He's trying to protect his people. Harsh, at worst. Blood-crazed? Hardly.
Hey, now, love and tolerate! :)
You're kind'of an @$$. Just to let you know.
One word responses to none yes or no questions are asinine.
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One word responses to none yes or no questions are asinine.Hey, now, love and tolerate! :)
You're kind'of an @$$. Just to let you know.
Oh?
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So we're ignoring the fact that the goblin could run away or have never attacked the paladin in the first place, while a helpless prisoner has no such options against the blood crazed soon-to-fall paladin?Head-butting is unfair. It takes advantage of how much easier it is to hit the goblin's considerable larger head. No, what's only fair is to challenge the goblin to a game of...that game with the birds the goblins at Thistletop play.
LOL...it's still unfair. He has 150+ hp...the gobbo, 5. His BAB is +20...*snicker*...does he have to tie his hands behind his back, and only head-butt? ;)
No, you're ignoring that the 20th level paladin has a +4 18 Str holy composite longbow, and the gobbo can't run that fast.
I've put forth the theory that you get it from 2013 ethics and wondered if you apply the same 2013 American ethics to every situation
Haha. No one has ever told me I have a modern view of ethics before.
Longbows are dishonorable. Melee combat is the only suitably glorious technique!
No, you're ignoring that the 20th level paladin has a +4 18 Str holy composite longbow, and the gobbo can't run that fast.So we're ignoring the fact that the goblin could run away or have never attacked the paladin in the first place, while a helpless prisoner has no such options against the blood crazed soon-to-fall paladin?Head-butting is unfair. It takes advantage of how much easier it is to hit the goblin's considerable larger head. No, what's only fair is to challenge the goblin to a game of...that game with the birds the goblins at Thistletop play.
LOL...it's still unfair. He has 150+ hp...the gobbo, 5. His BAB is +20...*snicker*...does he have to tie his hands behind his back, and only head-butt? ;)
So your telling me the lvl 20 paladin is actively hunting essentially harmless goblins who have done him or no one he knows about harm?
Because how else could a goblin not attacking the paladin be attacked and killed by him?
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Ugh, can't help myself... One last time. Go read Faiths of Purity, starting on page 26. Within you will find SPECIFIC CODES TO SPECIFIC DEITIES specifically for Paladins. Read it and then come back and talk to us please. Until you do, I'm done trying to argue with you.Oh? And they have special rules that alter the paladin's code? Is that in the deity description on how their code changes if paladins worship them?Have you ever heard of errata or splat books? You do know that anything written after the original is supposed to supersede (in most cases) the old and add in more stuff right?
I really suggest you go read the new stuff before coming in and preaching your holier than thou rhetoric using the older RAW. That's not the way to debate or convince people who have read the other books and seemingly have more knowledge than you. Just sayin'.
So in the a world where every paladin player has that book you would be right. In home games many do not have that book and in PFS you can't use those rules unless you own the book.
That book is not even on the PRD
Even in a world where you only use the core books I'm still correct. Sorry you don't have the new stuff available, but it doesn't make it irrelevant.
Code of Conduct
A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class features except proficiencies if she ever willingly commits an evil act.
Additionally:
1) A paladin's code requires that she respect legitimate authority - Who is the highest authority for a paladin? Answer: His deity. He must follow his deity's tenets/code.
2) Act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth) - Pretty straight forward.
3) Help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends) - These were evil morlocks and helping them is providing help for evil, so here he'd be breaking this code if he rescued them, healed them, or set them free to cause more evil.
4) Punish those who harm or threaten innocents - These morlocks (if given the chance) would harm or threaten innocents. They are vile evil creatures to the core as per the default bestiary. If he allows them to live then he'd be allowing them to harm people and end up breaking this code.
See how that's done? Even without the Faiths of Purity I've shown that you aren't breaking the code by killing these things. Faiths of Purity clarifies more of the codes and gives paladins more to go off of.
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You're kind'of an @$$. Just to let you know.
This violates the rule of "Don't be a jerk" quite clearly, which is actually quite ironic.
Marthkus, if it is inherently dishonorable to kill helpless creatures, how can paladins be an Inheritor's Crusader? The class specifically calls out paladins as a potential entry class. When they use Sword Against Injustice on a helpless prisoner and it kills (because they are guilty), are they stripped of their paladin powers?
I dotn think that ability would apply:
As a standard action he may announce he is bringing divine judgment upon a target who is accused of a crime, lie, or other affront to justice.
I dont see starving to death in a cell besides that ability screams DM fiat. It is super cool but who decides by RAW who is innocent or guilty?
I've put forth the theory that you get it from 2013 ethics and wondered if you apply the same 2013 American ethics to every situationHaha. No one has ever told me I have a modern view of ethics before.
It is hardly ethics though. You hold a kinda black/white stance, and seem to disregard the reality surrounding the paladin in favor of the wording of the code. Kinda like how cops who are afraid to get sued blindly follows, rather than interpret or see the reason/spirit behind the law, where the field of ethics and morality truly begin.
Not meant as an offense, but that is what it comes off as.
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No, you're ignoring that the 20th level paladin has a +4 18 Str holy composite longbow, and the gobbo can't run that fast.So we're ignoring the fact that the goblin could run away or have never attacked the paladin in the first place, while a helpless prisoner has no such options against the blood crazed soon-to-fall paladin?Head-butting is unfair. It takes advantage of how much easier it is to hit the goblin's considerable larger head. No, what's only fair is to challenge the goblin to a game of...that game with the birds the goblins at Thistletop play.
LOL...it's still unfair. He has 150+ hp...the gobbo, 5. His BAB is +20...*snicker*...does he have to tie his hands behind his back, and only head-butt? ;)So your telling me the lvl 20 paladin is actively hunting essentially harmless goblins who have done him or no one he knows about harm?
Because how else could a goblin not attacking the paladin be attacked and killed by him?
No.
I'm telling you that he found the goblin harassing an apparently innocent young woman...and I don't care how you twist it...she could be a CE witch, and the gobbo LG...the paladin saw the situation happening, and had to react, without time to ask questions, to make sure an innocent wasn't slain...and if he did make the wrong decision, the absolute worst that could happen would involve simple atonement...especially once the gobbo runs, and it's safe to assume he was correct in his quick assessment.
He's been caught in the act, if he gets away, he'll probably do it again, and the lady's death would then be on his hands.
We've been over this whole stupid idea of "proper authorities" already.a) No one is a better proper authority than a Paladin; especially in the absence of a respectable governing body.
Also, your other repeated argument keeps being that killing unarmed prisoners in evil. I ask again, how do LG societies execute people then???
b) That's an incredibly basic judicial action followed by societies througout history, some way to lawfully kill a criminal for the greater good.Taking a) and b), killing prisoners is not only NOT dishonorable, it is often required by ANY PC trying to uphold law and justice, or work for the common good, but especially for a Paladin.
a) Is wrong.
b) I never said it was even, but it does break the paladin's code. Which is a step above most LG characters.Killing prisoners is not the paladin's job.
"Good sir, we caught this orc poisoning a well. We've taken him here to stand trial!"
"A trial? For an orc? Just bash his brains out."
For the record, morlocks are the closest mortals get to fiends. Would you kill a band of qlippoths in their sleep?
No.I'm telling you that he found the goblin harassing an apparently innocent young woman...and I don't care how you twist it...she could be a CE witch, and the gobbo LG...the paladin saw the situation happening, and had to react, without time to ask questions, to make sure an innocent wasn't slain...and if he did make the wrong decision, the absolute worst that could happen would involve simple atonement...especially once the gobbo runs, and it's safe to assume he was correct in his quick assessment.
He's been caught in the act, if he gets away, he'll probably do it again, and the lady's death would then be on his hands.
Once the paladin is defending another from a goblin attack he can act. If the goblin runs away. The paladin should not just assume the goblin at was at fact, but at that point you are no longer dealing with the paladin's code.
The paladin is obligated to defend and help, not slay and kill.
there was another way the party was willing to find a solution that made every body happy.
I think i am going to play a paladin with a wand/scrolls of mark of justice. there fore i can command the creature to "not commit evil acts" and I can let it go. problem solved
"Good sir, we caught this orc poisoning a well. We've taken him here to stand trial!"
"A trial? For an orc? Just bash his brains out."For the record, morlocks are the closest mortals get to fiends. Would you kill a band of qlippoths in their sleep?
I could. A paladin can't. Their code can prevent them from doing actions that are good. A paladin is held to a higher standard than a LG anyotherclass
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Killing prisoners is not the paladin's job.
Again, says who?
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No.I'm telling you that he found the goblin harassing an apparently innocent young woman...and I don't care how you twist it...she could be a CE witch, and the gobbo LG...the paladin saw the situation happening, and had to react, without time to ask questions, to make sure an innocent wasn't slain...and if he did make the wrong decision, the absolute worst that could happen would involve simple atonement...especially once the gobbo runs, and it's safe to assume he was correct in his quick assessment.
He's been caught in the act, if he gets away, he'll probably do it again, and the lady's death would then be on his hands.
Once the paladin is defending another from a goblin attack he can act. If the goblin runs away. The paladin should not just assume the goblin at was at fact, but at that point you are no longer dealing with the paladin's code.
The paladin is obligated to defend and help, not slay and kill.
I wouldn't make a paladin fall if he let the goblin run...if he was a follower of Sarenrae...if he was a paladin of Torag, he'd be in deep doodoo.
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Guys, I have an important question. A swarm of parasprites threatens to consume the town. Is it an Evil Act for my unicorn wizard/paladin to kill them all? They are vermin, but they just want food, and they're so cute!
I considered making a new thread for this, but then I realized there was already a thread with no actual topic on the subforum. :)